http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/12/07/airplane.gunshot/index.html

It seems this all the news today. I'm just wondering though, would the mental issues of being bipolar lead to this? Does anyone know any bipolar people? Personally, I don't, but it seems it is a big problem to those who have that disorder.

Well, I guess we know air marshals are doing their job.

I'm bipolar.

No I'm not.

I know someone that's been diagnosed bipolar, and yes that's the kind of thing they'd do. Basically bipolar people don't know or don't think about the difference between right and wrong. Hence, "It's wrong to run into an airport and claim I have a bomb" would not go through a bipolar's head. Rather he/she would think, "If I go into an airport and claim I have a bomb, I'll get attention."

Um, not really.

The behavior in this case doesn't strike me as bi-polar, unless the guy used the bomb threat as a way to comitt suicide by someone else's hand.

Bipolar has to do with mood, not attention grabbing. It simple terms, you are either very happy or sad/mad. Thus bipolar. Attention-seeking isn't really a part of being bipolar.

"Air marshal kills passenger" from the link below. The general tone of the article seems to skew it toward thinking the Air marshals were in the wrong, and that it was a poor sick man they took down. I dunno, that action was just begging to be shot.

I agree with what Avenger said. It may have been a state of depression, and he was seeking a way to commit suicide.

Suicide? Ridiculous.

There is a bipolar person whom I know very intimately, and trust me, these people sometimes experience extreme delusions. Thinking one has a bomb in his bag is very, very possible.

Uh, yeah, maybe possible, but that doesn't rule out that he was very depressed, as that's how bipolar people often ARE. How does this one person you know intimately translate into being how things are for ALL bipolar people? That's called anecdotal evidence, and it's BAD.

Bi-Polar disorder has to do with mood swings.

It does not make a person delusional or hallucinate, or rob them of the ability to judge right from wrong.

I've noticed that teenagers seem to be invariably diagnosed with bi-polar disorder.

In the same way, many children are diagnosed with a hyperactivity disorder or something similiar.

Thats my general take on the subject of the misdiagnosis of certain disorders, which is another discussion.

Aye, well put. Mental disorders in the first place are not that well understood, and thus misdiagnoses are common. Even then, just stupid diagnoses are made as well. To some shrinks, every kid that isn't a zombie has ADD.

Yes it does, I have experienced it from closeby. For example, my friend thought she was having an audience with the Queen. She spent the entire afternoon waiting for the limousine to pick her up. There was no way I could talk her out of it. And one day she was suddenly convinced that her father had raped her when she was young. She only thinks that when she's suffering from her illness.

Secondly, bipolar people get depressed after they have a mania. So, when they find out. So, they become manic, then depressive, then manic.

And to the other guy; I actually know several bipolar people, but one of them I know very well, what more, one of my best friends is a psychiatrist and he tells me all week about the people he's treating in the clinic. Bipolars abound. Trust me, I know what I'm talking about.

Read the article Emon posted. It defines what the disorder is. Depression is part of it. Sucide may result from extreme depression. What do you disagree with? And everyone has different degrees, as well as additional disorders. N=1 is not a good sample size.

[QUOTE=Lord Kuat]Read the article Emon posted. It defines what the disorder is. Depression is part of it. Sucide may result from extreme depression. What do you disagree with? And everyone has different degrees, as well as additional disorders. N=1 is not a good sample size.[/QUOTE]

Read my above post. If anyone knows what the disorder is about, it's me. But oh well, this is massassi, and well, why do I even bother to post and share my expertise, I ask myself. Bah.

Quite simply, I cannot put this any other way.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

You are witnessing examples of Schizophrenia.

Bi-Polar disorder being often linked to sufferers of Schizophrenia.

Your friend is either insane, or an attention whore.

Your expertise is a friend.

Yup. Thats.. really expert.

Thats about as expert as saying "My dad could beat up your dad."

No mister. You don't know what you're talking about. My friend's been under doctor's treatment for 12 years and has to take Lithium pills on a daily basis in order to prevent falling back into manic state. Schyzophrenia is something entirely different. You mean borderline. That is extreme moodswings. Bipolar, or manic-depressive, is similar, but is totally different, and can take many forms.

And, like I said earlier, one of my best friends is a psychiatrist. I talk with him about this kind of stuff on a weekly basis.

My best friend is a plumber. Surely that makes me an expert.

I move boxes for a living. That makes me a physics expert.

I have a black friend, I'm an expert on african american culture, rap, and "Badunkadunk."

Listen, what's your point? If I spend half my life living in the same house with someone who's a severe manic/depressive, that gives me a lot of expertise 'from experience', yes. That's called first-hand experience. Add to that the fact that I discuss this same illness on a regular basis with someone who is a scientific expert. But ofcourse you know better because you wiki'd it.

Whatever.

Mmmhmm..

I've lived my entire life with electricity. Yet I am not an electrician.

I didn't claim to be a psychiatrist.

Good, because you aren't.

Your best friend is breaking the law. Client confidentiality, look it up. He might want to read up on it. No matter how vague he might be, he is still putting himself in fairly hot water. Boiling one might say.

Living with a tweaked person, DOES NOT MAKE YOU AN EXPERT ON TWEAKED PEOPLE. In the same way that talking to a black man will not give a white man soul. In the same way that wearing hats will not make you a habidasher.

And since, you cannot read between the lines. I will spell out my beef like so much raw meat.

You are not a psychiatrist. Everything I've read contradicts your imaginary doctor friend, and your tweaked friend. You are not an expert, and have no expertise.

First off, my best friend isn't imaginary. He's a psychiatrist. I can give you his MSN. Don't make me put you to shame.

Secondly, he can talk about his patients and their experiences all he wants, as long as noone knows who he's talking about. And, our discussions are more about the illness than the people themselves.

My ill friend is real, and so is my psychiatrist friend. What right have you to say what I claim isn't true? I wish to God it wasn't. But I have to live with this situation.

I'm just trying to help the topic, and all you do is ridicule me. Shame on you.

just a tick, you post something... anything on massassi, and expect to not get ridiculed for it?

Yeah, you're right. I should have known.

everyone has to be more right than everyone else, its kinda amusing but it makes me wish you were all dead at the same time.

No! You wish almost all of us were dead!

The article kinda sounds like one of those controversial "suicide by cop" cases. I have a feeling they may be trying to draw parallels with the Menezes shooting in London (totally innocent Brazilian worker erronously shot and killed as a suspected suicide bomber), 'cept this time the guy was actually telling people he had a bomb.

As for the increased misdiagnoses of mental disorders, add Aspergers syndrome to the list. The numbers of kids diagnosed with that is positively ballooning. My little bro went to a school that catered for all sorts of needs including ADHD and Aspergers. Nearly all the aspergers kids just seemed to be run-of-the-mill geeky kids, but because they seemed obsessive about certain subjects (computers mostly) and weren't as sociable, they were labelled with this low level form of autism. That the kids were smart only added to the belief that they were autistic savants.

My girlfriends sister is bi-polar. SHe also has cerebral pulsey.. (SP)

Anyways, she'll be fine one minute, totally friendly, and trhe next, she will be throwing stuff and screaming at you and gets pissed at the smallest things.

She's also tried to kill her own sister a few times when she's lost control.

[QUOTE=Lord Kuat]To some shrinks, every kid that isn't a zombie has ADD.[/QUOTE]
Psychiatrists, or "shrinks," generally know what they're doing, and don't misdiagnose people ANYWHERE near as often as idiotic school counselors or family physicians. Unless someone is an adult and has a very clear understanding of their mental condition, a physician should never be prescribing anything for them. Something like mild depression is okay, but you should really be seeing a specialist anyway.

ORJ_JoS: Rob's point is that, even if you have second hand experience, it does not make you an expert. Yes, SECOND hand. First hand is if you have experienced it yourself. You've only delt with a few people, yet you seem to think that makes you knowledgeable on the subject. If your friend was having hallucinations, it's very likely that she was suffering from something such as schizoaffective disorder. Your experience is only with a few people, whose cases you are clearly not entirely familiar with. Not only that, but you have no background medical education, meaning it's very difficult for you to actually understand what's going on. All the evidence you have presented is anecdotal.

Also, I believe Rob calls your psychiatrist friend imaginary because any real psychiatrist would be putting their career on the line if they disclosed even the most VAGUE information to you. Not only their career, but they would be facing criminal charges as well. It's more likely that you just made it up without being aware of client confidentiality laws. At least that's Rob's argument, I believe.

Yes, HE COULD HAVE BEEN DOING IT FOR SUICIDE.

My neighbor was bipolar and he called the police saying he had a gun and was going to shoot people in our neighborhood just so he could do a police suicide...They shot him when he showed them the gun.

Recusant: Aspergers is also based on severity. I have a mild case of Apserger's as one of my friends has a bit more severe case then me.

Emon: That's not how HIPPA works. The psychiatrist is allowed to talk about mental illnesses of patients he sees but is not allowed to disclose any personal information(name, phone, email, etc.) about them.

As for this event, I watched it on the news yesterday at my favorite pizza place with a few friends.

Hmm, true, although I thought he said something like "talks about the people he works with" or something. Guess not.

Don't we have the technology to subdue people without shooting them dead?

Yeah but it's more paperwork if you taser someone.

Do you mean Psychologists, Psychiatrists, or both? Just curious. Anyway, I incorrectly used a large umbrella for "shrinks" when more appropriately I should have used psuedo-shrinks.

I'm under the impression that (clinical, of course) Psychologists (Phd's) are a tad bit "better", due to more specialized knowledge, than Psychiatrists (MD's). Any corrections to that?

BTW, Earth is bipolar.

I thought it was dipolar.

Yes, that is true, from what I've heard they're on the way to renaming it all as ASD (Autistic Spectrum Disorder) because it's not clear where you might say Aspergers ends and full blown autism starts. There were those at my brother's school who needed the help, they really couldn't understand social situations and other people in general at all and would probably find it nigh on impossible getting work later. But there were many there who reminded me of myself at that age or many of my friends yet we've all grown up okay, can make friends fairly easy, have had relationships etc. Sticking them in a school surrounded by other children with stunted social development seemed almost cruel.

Water is dipolar.

I can see what these kids are going through. I had some help at one point as well and I've become a lot more social(although I still have my moments where I'm very quiet). It was really effective during my senior(I was pretty much friends with everyone in the school, no joke. Of course, I also went to an alternative high school rather than the main one due to the major difference in size.)