None of the poll options. I'm libertarian with a small l.

Clarification: Social privileges? Like affirmative action, welfare, what?

This thread is going to be hilarious.

I find it odd how conservatives are leading in the poll yet the only people I keep seeing voicing their opinions are liberals. Are most of you conservatives here just quiet or something?

I guess I should add something to this thread. I consider myself to be a conservative but I'm not extremely right winged. I would consider myself to be "center of right". I loathe people who are extremely left wing AND right wing because radicalism leads to narrowminded and simpleminded. I am no moderate I assure you because I wouldn't be caught dead aligning myself with the liberal viewport because majority of liberal philosophy contradicts christian belief.

I find it odd that anyone that isn't a Nazi is a 'liberal!!!!!'.

Gandalf: I suppose we could start with public education and the property-tax based system upon which it is funded, for one..


What, like "helping people"? Oddly enough, this is one of the few things that are common between far-right evangelical Christians and U.S liberals.

Helping people is terrorism.

i'm voting for my liberal candidate to represent me because i believe in the liberal policies and i want my voice heard in parliament.

when i think conservative i think 'gimme gimme gimme! go get your own. and if you can't then it's your fault.'

Economic Left/Right: 0.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.05

Almost smack center.

I guess I lean conservative as a moderate.

I assure you that's because the opinions offered by democrats are different than your own. The opinions of the many many many Republican Massassians doesn't stick out to you because you agree with them.

Economic Left/Right: -4.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.41

As if the whole left/right stuff means anything to me. And I'm pretty close to Ghandi.

-7.25, -6.31... Communist/Anarchist as always on these polls, though slightly less extreme than I used to be.

[QUOTE=Darth Evad]when i think conservative i think 'gimme gimme gimme! go get your own. and if you can't then it's your fault.'[/QUOTE]

That's more along the lines of U.S. Republican, or "small government." Not all conservatives think that poor people are poor because they're lazy.

Did you know that 50% of US citizens think socio-economic status is the result of moral worth? I find that deeply, deeply troubling.

Edit: ethically US liberal, fiscally US conservative.

And I can tell you 100% of me can for the most part agree.

It's just the American mindset that hard work will get you somewhere in life. And it's true--if you work hard for your entire life at Wal-Mart even you'll probably end up being decently well off. 50k a year would be quite feasible.

I can tell you firsthand that, in this country, if you're poor it's most likely from bad decisions or just downright laziness.

I assure you you're wrong. Even I notice the majority of liberals are more vocal. The Republicans are already set in their ways, usually older massassians who don't feel the need to preach or argue their points. The Liberals are mostly teenagers or immature adults who do feel the need to preach and argue their points because they're insecure about where they stand.

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This could get interesting if more people joined in!

[QUOTE=Dj Yoshi]...[/QUOTE]

You're not a well person.

I don't agree with you Yoshi. I could work for the rest of my life making 10k a year.

But the thing I've realized is that money isn't happiness. Unfortunately, my view isn't held by 99.9% of the rest of society. Sure, they pay it lip service, but America is all about chasing dollars rather than enjoying life.

[quote=Dj Yoshi]Even I notice the majority of liberals are more vocal.[/quote]

WOOOOSHH!!!!

Your graphing software is better. What is it?

oh, my points...


-6.50 and -6.26

It's just called "Graph"! It's opensource and it kicks excel's butt for making clear graphs and for graphing mathematical functions.
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You know, you'd think that, except I AM poor. I see poor people everyday--my mom's friends. And they're all drains on society--taking whatever they can for free instead of working for it. Now, I can't speak for inner-city places (though I can assume, but that's not the point here), but in regular towns that's just how poor people are.

The funny thing is, I'm the only one that would know because I'm the only one on massassi that's actually IN said position. However, my opinion is discredited. Odd.


I'm Liberal oh smart one. For the most part. Not really economically, but that's just because liberal economics well...don't make sense.

[QUOTE=Dj Yoshi]You know, you'd think that, except I AM poor. I see poor people everyday--my mom's friends. And they're all drains on society--taking whatever they can for free instead of working for it. Now, I can't speak for inner-city places (though I can assume, but that's not the point here), but in regular towns that's just how poor people are.

The funny thing is, I'm the only one that would know because I'm the only one on massassi that's actually IN said position. However, my opinion is discredited. Odd.[/quote]

Then we have a communication problem. Having access to a computer and internet, for example, doesn't qualify as poor (again, I don't know your SE situation, so I can't judge, but we're still miles apart from Central China -poor). What the '50% of US citizens think socio-economic situation is entirely dependant upon moral worth', it means they think African kids die everyday because they haven't accepted the Lord, or because their inner light doesn't shine hard enough. And 50% is a ridiculously high number for such a medieval belief.




This I agree on.

Economic Left/Right: -5.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.46

Well I'm not talking about rural parts of the WORLD poor, just 'rural' parts of established countries.

About this computer...I got it while still living with my (too damned) wealthy uncle. If it weren't for that I'd be lucky to have a P100 to be posting on, in all honesty. But with his help, and a lot of work I got this thing built and paid off, and I've got a great machine. The only reason I have internet (broadband at that) is because my mom's priorities are FUBAR. She values internet, cable, and burnable media (DVDs, etc) over school lunches, school fees, actual food (not microwavable/deep fried crap), and working automobiles. The woman's crazy.

But yes, it was a communication problem.

I voted green party.

2007 - Green party victory

Green Party Leader after winning election - "er, oh fu**!! What the hell do we do now? How does the education system work!?!?! "

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Same, I have messed up priorities.

I'm moderate, but that means I have liberal and conservative leanings on various subjects.

The way I see it, we should be allowed to largely do what we want to.

We should be allowed to smoke the reefer, grind up a fetus, get hitched to another dude, and we should be allowed to do all of it even if we came from another country last week.

At the same time.

[QUOTE=Dj Yoshi]I'm Liberal oh smart one. For the most part. Not really economically, but that's just because liberal economics well...don't make sense.[/QUOTE]

You're liberal?! You sure had me fooled all this time...

Very. I just dislike the UN and overtaxation/bloated governments.

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I made more than 10k/yr working part-time at a supermarket. Sure, you could work for the rest of your life making 10k a year - but that would be your own fault..

I'll agree with your second paragraph, though - that's why I didn't go into management ($100k+/yr potential) at said supermarket.

Which is why I only value a person's worth based on their income to a certain extent, and there's always special exceptions. If you are an artist, but can't support yourself in any way there and take on a second job for ~7-8 bucks an hour, making only 15 grand a year that's a lot different than the single mother who dropped out of High School and makes 15 grand a year.

A somewhat improved massassi political compass project

Political Compass site is here

I said conservative and liberals, not democrats and republicans. They are not the same thing ya know. Not all democrats are liberals (some are moderates) and not all conservatives are republicans (some are moderates).

Free market, free ideas (Right wing libertarian)

Economic Left/Right: 1.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.36