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So I finally got my first console...
2004-06-11, 6:15 AM #1
Not counting my original Gameboy, that is.

And it's a Gamecube. I might consider buying an X-Box in the future if more exclusive titles come out for it (e.g. Jade Empirea and Halo 2).

The controller itself fits quite nicely. It's the R and L buttons on the side that I'm concerned about, as they seem to have sensitivity problems. I also dislike how many games use the control pad for actions (Control Pad <- World Map, Control Pad -> Dungeon Map, etc.). The A/B/X/Y layout however is pretty solid and I can play for hours without feeling any sort of pain in my hands.

The Console itself is kind of loud when you start a game, but luckily it seems to quiet down as you get going and easily fades away soon thereafter.

Games.

Metroid Prime: Let me say right away that the graphics in this game are fantastic. Especially some of the later areas (like the Chozo Ruins) look breathtaking. In fact, it's almost embarrassing how a 2 year old game for a 3 year old console with 486Mhz can look this good, almost surpassing some of the stuff I see in the PC market nowadays. If you were to take advantage of PCs excessive amounts of Ram to add higher resolution textures and use modern graphics cards to increase the resolution you'd have a game that would rival some of the best graphics you can find even today. The artwork and attention to detail really make the game shine.

How much you enjoy the game itself depends on how well you understand that it's a first-person action adventure, not a standard shoot-em-up. In fact, midway through the game, I got overwhelmed by all the areas and secrets and started over. On my second attempt, I kept track of everything I collected by dropping down notes on maps I downloaded from the internet. I also took advantage of the ingame help features. I'm not much of a puzzle-loving guy myself, but once I got organized, the game turned from a good one into a great one. It also rewards people for taking their time and scanning everything (computers and the like) with hints and story elements.

Make no doubt about it, Prime is a great game. It almost makes my Gamecube purchase worth it on its own. I'm looking forward to completing it again and playing through the sequel.

Zelda Wind Waker: I enjoyed Link's Awakening (the 1994 game for the original Gameboy, a game way ahead of its time). However, when I finally got the chance to play Ocarina of Time...I got stuck. A lot. Over and over again. I became so frustrated with the dungeons later in the game that I quit it completely. Wind Waker on the other hand is easy. The graphics are nice (although lacking detail), combat a ton of fun, sailing a blast (I haven't gotten bored of it yet) and the dungeons simple but fun. There really isn't a whole lot more I can say.

Resident Evil: This is not my kind of game. Instead of walking left or right with the control stick, you turn in that direction. I've played this for 30 minutes and gave up after getting immensely frustrated with the controls. I might give this another chance, or simply skip it until the promosing 4th title comes around.

I'm currently looking forward to Resident Evil 4, Metroid Prime 2: Echoes, Adwance Wars Under Fire, the new Zelda, among other things. And that's that [http://forums.massassi.net/html/smile.gif]
2004-06-11, 6:54 AM #2
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by KnobZ:
In fact, it's almost embarrassing how a 2 year old game for a 3 year old console with 486Mhz can look this good, almost surpassing some of the stuff I see in the PC market nowadays.</font>

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2004-06-11, 7:09 AM #3
The reason PC's have more power and less graphics is because they aren't running the game exclusively. There's drivers, operating systems, other programs, etc, all running at the same time.

Back to consoles, though, Resident Evil style controls are VERY hard to get used to. I have a couple games for PSx (the only console I have) that have controls like that (Dino Crisis, Jade Cocoon). Once you get used to it though, it gets a lot better.

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2004-06-11, 7:12 AM #4
Your first console was a Gamecube? You never even had a SNES?

Dear God, you were neglected as a child.

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2004-06-11, 7:24 AM #5
Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes is well worth the purchase if you're after another game. The MGS series is a bit of a classic, as far as consoles are concerned.

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2004-06-11, 7:25 AM #6
I agree with Vinny on RE, it is extreamly hard to get used, and i tend not to like the series too much because of the static camera angles and frustrating as hell puzzles. [/rant]

anyway, a few games you should look into:

1) Eternal Darkness- The best horror game on the market, IMO. excelent combant and magic system, awesome story, easy controls, and good camera angles, even if it isn't 'over the shoulder'. The graphics aren't the best, but its still a great game.

2)Beyond Good and Evil- A great steath puzzle game, puts you in the shoes of a photographer trying to uncover a conspiracy invovling her planets defence forces and an invading alien force. good controls and combat, excellent graphics, and a great story to boot. only problem is that its a bit short, a little less then 10 hours.

3)Luigi's Mansion- Just a fun time. good controls, good graphics (cartoony, but that's mario), and LUIGI!

Games you should look into if you have friends to play with:

1) SSB:M- Just awesome, awesome fighting game. Best group video game ever.

2)Soul Caliber II- Anoutehr great fighting game, but only two players. Amazing graphics.

3)Mario Kart: Double Dash- Its Mario Kart. what else needs saying?

4)Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicals- Wether you and your friends like this is rahter chancy. i suggest renting it first. Interesting combat system, great graphics, and good conrols, once you get used to them. However: NOT FINAL FANTASY, only becuse of name and a few characters. its still a great game, but don't expect a FF setup.

5)Conflict: Desert Storm- An excelent squad-based team shooter set in- you guessed it- Iraq, during desert storm. Pretty good graphics, very easy controls, i graet promnotion, rank, and expertice systems, big levels, and great, great fun if you play this with 3 or 4 friends.

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2004-06-11, 7:29 AM #7
Oh yeah, and Mario Kart: Double Dash. Got 3 friends and 4 controllers? Get it. Now.

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2004-06-11, 7:38 AM #8
Better still, go to a 2nd hand shop, buy a Megadrive/genesis, a mulit-tap, two extra pads, and all the micro machines games you can get your mitts on. I did that all for about £25 - it's a ball [http://forums.massassi.net/html/biggrin.gif]

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2004-06-11, 7:38 AM #9
The only reason I would get the GameCube is so I could play Metroid Prime. I have my brother-in-law's XBox but he doesn't have any games I like and I don't want to spend money to buy or rent games for something I don't own. I wouldn't bother with a PS2 though. Not too many games I can think of that I want to play on that system.

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2004-06-11, 7:40 AM #10
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by KnobZ:
So I finally got my first console... </font>


you FOOL!


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2004-06-11, 8:49 AM #11
Viewtiful Joe
It's cheesy looking
It's cartoony
It's practically Cell-Shaded
It's boring to watch
It got a 9.5 on IGN
It's frickin awesome to play (at least rent it, if it gets suck a high rating, to see if you like it.

Prince of Persia
I love this game, I got it on GC, though it's out on all consoldes. In my opinion, it's an awesome action/adventure/puzzle game that any lover of classic NES or SNES games will adore. Some find it to be boring or too difficult, but in my opinion it takes a state of mind to enjoy it. Give it a shot, it's got all sorts of good reviews.

And in regards to Zelda-Windwaker:
In my opinion this game lacked what made Zelda...Zelda. It tried to change the look of Zelda, make it adventurous and more child-like, while implementing a new "sailing" system into the game. Although exploring is great, do you really want to spend the majority of the game on a tiny sailboat, 35% of the time searching for a specific spot on the map that has treasure? This was a game with great potential that, when it brought you up, led nowhere. The story was pretty simple (OMQ GANNON IS BACK FOR SOME REASON AND WE HAVE TO KILL HIM BEFORE HE *one day* GETS POWERFUL ENOUGH LIKE HE USED TO BE TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD). I thought it was a great game that got ruined. I'm looking forward to the next Zelda, myself, it MUST be better than this (imo) crap.



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2004-06-11, 10:48 AM #12
Argh, forget that eternal darkness. Isn't that the one that's very similar to RE and has ultra-sluggish controls just the same?

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2004-06-11, 10:58 AM #13
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Chikyu-Jin:
Your first console was a Gamecube? You never even had a SNES?

Dear God, you were neglected as a child.

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Oh stow it. I've never owned ONE and I'm right at 18. I've found all of them to be right at stupid. That, and they don't put out anything I'd ever play. That's almost changed with X-Box though. I'm probably getting one over the summer seeing as I've finally got a decent list of games for it.

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2004-06-11, 11:38 AM #14
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Brian:
Argh, forget that eternal darkness. Isn't that the one that's very similar to RE and has ultra-sluggish controls just the same?

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No, it has analog controls, press the direction you want to go, none of that spin around crap that RE has.

If you don't like the controls for RE, try type C, it still isn't perfect, and it takes some getting used to, but I found it better than the other 2.

Other games:
Timesplitters 2: A FPS that's tons of fun, great multiplayer, and even a map editor. And it's cheap.

Ikaruga: If you like shooter games, this will be great. Be warned it is very, very hard.



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2004-06-11, 11:53 AM #15
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by phoenix_9286:
Oh stow it. I've never owned ONE and I'm right at 18. I've found all of them to be right at stupid. That, and they don't put out anything I'd ever play. That's almost changed with X-Box though. I'm probably getting one over the summer seeing as I've finally got a decent list of games for it.

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If you don't want any games from the Genesis/SNES I pity for your soul.

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2004-06-11, 12:10 PM #16
Freekstyle
NBA street Vol 2
F-Zero GX
Burnout
Burnout 2
Rogue Leader
Rebel Strike
NASCAR: Dirt to Daytona
NASCAR Thunder 2004
Super Mario Sunshine
SSX Tricky

a few games to stay away from
Aquaman
Charlie's Angels *shudder*
Need for Speed: Hot Pursuit 2 (just get the PC version if you want the game the cube version's graphics are the worst of all the versions)



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2004-06-11, 12:17 PM #17
Eternal Darkness - Better then Resident Evil IMO. The controls don't suck, and there is more then 3 zombies in the entire game [http://forums.massassi.net/html/tongue.gif]

Zelda: Windwaker - Duh

Viewtiful Joe - One of the best games ever made. Very hard near the end though. But really really fun.


That's just for starters. I own about 50 GC games, I don't want to bore you all so..those are a good few to start with.
Also, Jim7, I wouldn't buy Rebel Strike. It does have multiplayer Rouge Leader, but the single player is just horrible.

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2004-06-11, 2:49 PM #18
and you still needed a map for metroid..but, being as this is your first console, we forgive you

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2004-06-11, 2:52 PM #19
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by SAJN_Master:


Also, Jim7, I wouldn't buy Rebel Strike. It does have multiplayer Rouge Leader, but the single player is just horrible.

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but it's worth the current $20 price tag... now how's that for fast price drop?

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2004-06-11, 3:36 PM #20
Agreed [http://forums.massassi.net/html/smile.gif]

For some reason I see Eternal Darkness for like 10-20 dollars everywhere. I mean, everyone I know that played it LOVES it. weird.

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Think while it's still legal.
2004-06-11, 3:36 PM #21
my first console was an Atari.

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2004-06-11, 3:48 PM #22
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Dj Yoshi:
If you don't want any games from the Genesis/SNES I pity for your soul.

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Nope. Never cared at all for any of them. Besides, when SNES was around, I was playing far cooler things on the family's Mac 660AV.

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2004-06-11, 3:56 PM #23
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by SAJN_Master:
Agreed [http://forums.massassi.net/html/smile.gif]

For some reason I see Eternal Darkness for like 10-20 dollars everywhere. I mean, everyone I know that played it LOVES it. weird.

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I just bought soul calibur for 20.. that game certainly doesnt suck [http://forums.massassi.net/html/tongue.gif]

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2004-06-11, 3:57 PM #24
my first console experience was with the family atari... the first console that was MINE was my NES that i got back in the 80s... i still have it though it is currently having dust related issues... i need to clean it out and get it working again... but i have another NES so i never bother to get around to it

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2004-06-11, 4:07 PM #25
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by phoenix_9286:
Nope. Never cared at all for any of them. Besides, when SNES was around, I was playing far cooler things on the family's Mac 660AV.

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You've got major problems man. SNES had FFIV-VI, Chrono Trigger, Breath of Fire, Breath of Fire 2, Mortal Kombat, Street Fighter 2-5, Bomberman, Mario Kart, Super Mario World, Super Mario World 2, Super Mario RPG...god the list doesn't end...

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2004-06-11, 4:08 PM #26
Super Smash Brothers Melee
Mario Party 4
NBA Street Vo. 2
Time Splitters 2
Soul Caliber 2

Everything else gets old fast, is too easy, was rushed, or is only worth about 9 hours of gameplay, with absolutelly NO replay value.

You know what's sad? I hate platformers. GCN should be a platformer console, yet the 3 biggest, and best platformers have been on the PS2. How the HELL does that work? The sad part? I like all 3...

JediKirby

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2004-06-11, 4:11 PM #27
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by jEDIkIRBY:
Super Smash Brothers Melee
Mario Party 4
NBA Street Vo. 2
Time Splitters 2
Soul Caliber 2

Everything else gets old fast, is too easy, was rushed, or is only worth about 9 hours of gameplay, with absolutelly NO replay value.

You know what's sad? I hate platformers. GCN should be a platformer console, yet the 3 biggest, and best platformers have been on the PS2. How the HELL does that work? The sad part? I like all 3...

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I know. Ratchet and Clank own you [http://forums.massassi.net/html/wink.gif]

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2004-06-11, 4:23 PM #28
Yeah, RE's controls can take some getting used to, but if you can get past them, it really is a solid game, especially with all the enhancements in the GC version. I know most of these have been listed above, but I'll post 'em again for emphasis.

Eternal Darkness
Extreme-G 3
Robotech: Battlecry
Burnout/Burnout 2
NHL Hitz 2002-This is without a doubt one of the best multiplayer games on the 'Cube. Even if you generally stay away from sports games (like me), you should definately at least try it.
Need for Speed: Underground
Timesplitters 2
Mario Kart: Double Dash
Super Smash Bros. Melee
Soul Calibur 2


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2004-06-11, 4:25 PM #29
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my first console was an Atari.

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Yay! Me too!

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2004-06-11, 4:30 PM #30
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Super Smash Brothers Melee
Mario Party 4
NBA Street Vo. 2
Time Splitters 2
Soul Caliber 2
Everything else gets old fast
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Hehe, After you beat Super Smash Brothers, Soul Calibur and Maro Party 4 over 10 times, it gets REALLY boring. I mean they are great games, but there is only a certain amount of times you can do the same stuff. I will maybe play for a few weeks straight. Get bored out of my mind. Play for a few more weeks a few months or so later.

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2004-06-11, 4:32 PM #31
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by SAJN_Master:
Hehe, After you beat Super Smash Brothers, Soul Calibur and Maro Party 4 over 10 times, it gets REALLY boring. I mean they are great games, but there is only a certain amount of times you can do the same stuff. I will maybe play for a few weeks straight. Get bored out of my mind. Play for a few more weeks a few months or so later.

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Not if you just like the fighting style. I play Capcom vs. Marvel constantly (can be beat in about an hour maybe), mostly because I love being able to pull off new tricks. Heheh.

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2004-06-11, 4:33 PM #32
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Dj Yoshi:
I know. Ratchet and Clank own you [http://forums.massassi.net/html/wink.gif]

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That's the most recent one I rented... and I loved it. Dj, I was on the edge of my seat, waiting to see what kickass minigame was next. I laughing the first time I kicked off of a sidways platform to land on another magnetic platform. Laughing. I was SQUEELING when I started collecting crystals out in the desert. I was friggin addicted, and there wasn't a speck of blood on the screen...

Where have all the shoot-um-ups gone?

JediKirby

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2004-06-11, 5:05 PM #33
Gamecube! As a first console! *swoon*

PS2 is ze best for that. *sigh* Then again, it's the best for quanaty and quality (excluding graphics) of games. The only good thing for the GCN is probably a tiny fraction of the games. The new zelda being one of them.

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2004-06-11, 5:07 PM #34
PS2? Quality? Gamecube? Only a few good games?

/exits room

/laughs

/walks back in

Thanks, I haven't laughed that hard in AGES.

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Think while it's still legal.
2004-06-11, 5:38 PM #35
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Dj Yoshi:
You've got major problems man. SNES had FFIV-VI, Chrono Trigger, Breath of Fire, Breath of Fire 2, Mortal Kombat, Street Fighter 2-5, Bomberman, Mario Kart, Super Mario World, Super Mario World 2, Super Mario RPG...god the list doesn't end...

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None of which, as I've said, appealed in the slightest. And they still don't. I don't have problems, I just don't care about consoles or the games on them. Sorry if I don't lust after the same things you do. Sorry for being different. It's not like not owning a freaking console has damaged my life.

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2004-06-11, 5:41 PM #36
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by phoenix_9286:
None of which, as I've said, appealed in the slightest. And they still don't. I don't have problems, I just don't care about consoles or the games on them. Sorry if I don't lust after the same things you do. Sorry for being different. It's not like not owning a freaking console has damaged my life.

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You DO have problems. You need to play one of these games before speaking again, trust me, you'll be changed :P


Oh, and SAJN, there are a very few GCN games compared to PS2's games. And many would say the PS2 games are better. Don't make this into a debate.
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2004-06-11, 5:45 PM #37
and many would say GNC games are better..so umm PWND or not..or yeah something.

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2004-06-11, 5:50 PM #38
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You DO have problems. You need to play one of these games before speaking again, trust me, you'll be changed :P
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I very much so doubt that. The only problem I have was posting the fact that I've never owned on to begin with. You people take such things FAR to seriously. My childhood was no different from any other. In fact, it might have been better. I didn't spend countless hours in front of a TV. If the computer got boring, I went outside. If outside got boring, I went and dug up a friend. If they were unavailable, then I went and dug out some other toy. I didn't count on the boob tube to entertain me. Not a damn one of those games would change me in anyway. Not a damn one of those games holds any interest at ALL to me. Not a damn one of those games would have held any interest back then either. Please step off your soap box and stop giving me grief becuase you think I had an awful childhood simply because I didn't own a hunk of plastic that sat in front of a TV that played games. I happen to know MY life quite well seeing as it's MINE. So you'll have to trust me when I tell you that I DON'T FREAKING CARE ABOUT ANY OF IT. NEVER DID, NEVER WILL.

Thank you.

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2004-06-12, 8:21 AM #39
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I very much so doubt that. The only problem I have was posting the fact that I've never owned on to begin with. You people take such things FAR to seriously. My childhood was no different from any other. In fact, it might have been better. I didn't spend countless hours in front of a TV. If the computer got boring, I went outside. If outside got boring, I went and dug up a friend. If they were unavailable, then I went and dug out some other toy. I didn't count on the boob tube to entertain me. Not a damn one of those games would change me in anyway. Not a damn one of those games holds any interest at ALL to me. Not a damn one of those games would have held any interest back then either. Please step off your soap box and stop giving me grief becuase you think I had an awful childhood simply because I didn't own a hunk of plastic that sat in front of a TV that played games. I happen to know MY life quite well seeing as it's MINE. So you'll have to trust me when I tell you that I DON'T FREAKING CARE ABOUT ANY OF IT. NEVER DID, NEVER WILL.

Thank you.

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Slow down turbo. I just said it ruined your opinion of GAMES, not your childhood. Yah I was with friends about 24/7 too, but that doesn't mean that the SNES doesn't hold very fond memories for me. I remember getting past the floating island on FFVI for the first time. Oh the memories.

I'm just saying give them a try before you judge whether you will/will not like them. I don't see how they can NOT interest you and you can call yourself a gamer at all at the same time. Besides, if all else fails, Emulate. [http://forums.massassi.net/html/wink.gif]

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2004-06-12, 9:23 AM #40
Yeah Phoenix, I kinda agree. Owning a console is completely unnecessary... I only got my first one when I bought my own TV and PS2.
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