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In the case of IE and Outlook, it's not that they don't work, it's that they have so many security holes and exploits it's like swiss cheese. That, and I can't stand the way either program works anymore. Tabbed browseing is godly. I hated having to use IE at school. And Outlook? Outlook was always a pain in the *** for me to use. Never liked it.

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OH MY GOD! They moved the download keyboard shortcut to Ctrl+Y! Why the HELL would they move it to Ctrl+Y?? It's always been Ctrl+E!!!! I spent like 3 minutes absentmindedly slamming Ctrl+E wondering why my downloads box didn't pop up .. wtf omfg die

*Waits for some smartass to tell me I can change keyboard shortcuts or whatever*

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Meh I just window update and have a good firewall... it works fine.

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<ubuu> does hitler have a last name?

Wow, obviously you have a weird idea of how long a second is or your experience of Windows is an extremely unlucky one... Because Firefox toolbars are roughly the same speed as Windows ones.

Cause you see... My main problem with Firefox is that the menus feel sluggish compared to the standard windows ones

Firefox is MUCH faster then IE in loading pages IMO. It might take a few minutes on a page in IE. Whereas in firefox it starts showing content the moment it starts loading. Which is good when your on a page that has a lot of images or content on it, and know what your looking for and just need to get to it quick.


... if that makes any sence. yep.

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I think it takes the same time you just see the incomplete page in Firefox so it seems like it takes less time while IE holds back the page till everything that can be loaded... is.

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<MechWarrior> Lets just say the part of the family tree that does fork has bossy the goat in it.

<ubuu> does hitler have a last name?

Exactly why I use opera. The toolbar buttons all respond much quicker in opera than any other browser.

And coolmatty: there is nothing as good as opera available for free or pay, which is why I use opera. And you do realize that if you pay them 20 bucks you can remove the ad right?

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And that's the root of IE's security problems.
Firefox doesn't have that kind of access to the core system, so its a lot safer to use.



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Old aunts used to come up to me at weddings, poking me in the ribs and cackling, telling me, "You're next." They stopped after I started doing the same thing to them at funerals.

Well, the reason the IE interface is responsive is that it is programmed directly for the Windows API. Firefox uses XUL, which is just another layer of code to slow things down.

When I claimed firefox was slow, I was talking about startup times and menu responsivness... I think we agree on that.

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I love firefox. It's honestly the best browsing program I've ever used. I have NO idea what you guys are talking about the menus being slow in firefox (not targeting anyone, I've heard more than a few people say this), and people say that pages load slower in it which is utter BS. If anything, they load faster, at least that's my experience. Of course I used the Google Toolbar which slows it somewhat (in IE) because it blocks popups as an external tool. In Firefox it's built in, and maybe has an advantage. Who knows. But I see no reason to even try Opera--big ad, and everything I want from it (mainly tabbed browsing) is in Firefox. I see no reason to pay them 20 bucks for something that works fine for me for free.

And Mech--note that Windows Update doesn't work 100% of the time. Often virii are released that can't be patched for some time, and can leak into your system. Also, email virii aren't affected by windows update (at least not if you're opening a virus attachment). Besides, Thunderbird's spam blocker > you.

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They're fast enough for me. Besides, I use keyboard shortcuts most of the time.

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Well, Firefox is fast enough... but Galeon is faster.

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The other thing I really like about opera is that it's back/forward buttons show you the cached version of the page rather than reloading. So it saves the form data you inputted as you go forward/back even if you haven't submitted it yet, and it never results in reloading the page. IE always reloads the page, and it's hit & miss in firefox. It also doesn't suffer from the "refuse to start maximized" bug in the Linux version of firefox.

Saying, "I have no reason to try opera when firefox works fine for me" is perfectly true, but it's like saying, "I have no reason to try that BMW, because my ford escort works fine for me" - still true, but a little silly. The point of trying different browsers is to find one that lets you do what you want to do at the speed you want to do it. I don't mind paying some money for software that I really like, and I REALLY like opera. I've tried dozens of browsers on windows, linux, and mac and Opera is by far my favorite. Of course, it doesn't matter to ME which browser you use, unless of course you use IE and get a virus that sends itself to my email, in which case you should jump off a bridge.

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Firefox is very quick and responsive for me. There is no delay when opening menus or dialogs or anything. Startup time is also quite quick. I'd say it's no slower than Opera or Konqueror on my system. I've used Opera a bit, but for some reason I like Firefox's font rendering better. (See? I actually have a reason!)

In the linux version of opera, you can set at what size the anti-aliasing gets turned on. Personally, I hate anti-aliasing on smaller fonts because it makes them look too blurry. You can do that on firefox as well, but the windows font rendering in opera doesn't have that option (I think it uses windows font rendering?).

Firefox starts more slowly and I can definitely notice the menu speed difference, but I don't use menus often anyway so it doesn't affect my decision.

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You guys have it all wrong.

Lynx > *

But seriously, I use Firefox and there is some major <3 for it from me.

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Yay! I can finally join the snail-racing crew.

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Bah. Links > Lynx.

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Pfft, the gbk browser pwns all.

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Try w3m for console based browsing, it's amazing. The table/frame rendering is great and it does colors

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I've never had any trouble with IE with google taskbar. I get no pop ups, I don't care if firefox has built in popup blocker, because sometimes I need popups on for certain websites. Plus Firefox isn't compatible with alot of sites.

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Yeah, and that is most unfortunate, because IE probobly doesn't even follow standards. And because people develop for IE as it is most popular, things look messed up in browsers that do follow standards...

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1) You misunderstand the nature of Firefox's popup blocker. It only blocks unrequested popups, and even if it does block something needed, it can be disabled on a per-page basis.

2) That was true a few versions ago, but things have progressed nicely. Its been a long time since Ive encountered a page that I *could not* view in Firefox...

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I use them all. I adore Opera because it can emulate different old-style browsers, among other reasons. Firefox because I like the Open Source feel, sometimes. IE because I click it accidently a lot.

true. the only site i can think of that will not explicitly work with firefox is Windows update.



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Old aunts used to come up to me at weddings, poking me in the ribs and cackling, telling me, "You're next." They stopped after I started doing the same thing to them at funerals.

First off, a better comparison would be having 2 BMWs, one given to you. The free one is Firefox. The one you can buy is Opera. Hrm... free BMW, or not?

They have all the same features. And as for your "form" problem:

If a form is ever wiped clean in Firefox, its only because the page instructed it to do so. There is code that instructs the browser not to retain information in cached pages. Firefox does indeed maintain all form detail, and I've never, ever had a problem with it not, except when the page specifically told it not to. In that case, Opera is simply breaking standardization, and is no better than IE.

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I just don't want to adjust to a whole new browser. I am so used to IE, it's fast and it works fine for me. I remember trying Netscape once. UGH. That is the slowest piece of crap ever. It always crashes and bleh. I'll give Firefox a try though.

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I don't understand. Firefox, Galeon and Epiphany are all extremly simple. What's there to get used to?

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Well, Mozilla is the open-source desendant of Netscape, and Firefox is the stripped down version of mozilla. Netscape is miserably slow, yes. Mozilla and Firefox are still a bit slow, but much faster than Netscape. I also hear that the new firefox is alot faster than previous versions. As far as speed, however, the XUL interface can't compete with a GTK2 or QT interface like Galeon / Epiphany or Konqueror, respectivly.

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Maybe on your 486, sure. But on my 1.4ghz, which is ancient, BTW, Firefox is just as snippy as Gaelon, and infact quite faster than Konqueror...

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are you sure that its 0.9? the installer said 0.8, and the only noticable difference I saw is that the icons had changed (plus the new download hotkey).



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Old aunts used to come up to me at weddings, poking me in the ribs and cackling, telling me, "You're next." They stopped after I started doing the same thing to them at funerals.

On my 2.6 GHz, I can tell the difference between Firefox and Galeon's startup times and menu responsiveness. If you are running KDE, that's not totally fair because GTK apps are slower on it. I can totally tell the difference on XFCE4.

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Mystic, Firefox IS a GTK app. GTK2, in my case, which is quite slower. Your argument is pointless.

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Dear lady, can you hear the wind blow, and did you know
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Things i've noticed, these are things which aren't opinion merely observation:

- IE may or may not be slower at loading sites, but it tends to wait till further in the parsing of the page before beginning the render, so Firefox certainly appears faster.

- Firefox uses non-standard widgets (in Windows), they tend to be slower than their standard (Windows) counterparts (not opinion, the difference in speed on certain things is very noticable).

- Firefox is free, IE is free, Opera isn't free. These are all based on the assumption you already have an operating system that can run all of them.

- Internet Explorer has security issues but it IS improving, the forthcoming SP2 release should help matters too, of course like any upgrades bugfixes never guarantee that you don't produce new bugs.

- In both Internet Explorer and Firefox (haven't used Opera enough to test this), forms may or may not be automatically filled. Earlier today Firefox failed to fill in a form which I told it to save a few days ago, most of the time it fills it in fine. I assume there's some unavoidable factor which may cause it to fail from time to time in both IE and Firefox?

- IE loads fast if you use the explorer shel. Firefox loads fast after you've loaded it once.

- Firefox tends to require uninstalling between versions otherwise you may end up with some fairly serious glitches due to preference incompatibilities.

- Firefox has a more accurate rendering engine than IE, however it's not very difficult at all to make a standards compliant page that looks almost identical in both, making it then work in Opera on the other hand is a real pain

- Popups aren't really an issues in any browser given that they all have fairly decent anti-popup software now.

- As for Thunderbird, its spam blocker isn't all that great. It's useless against spam of the magnitude that the Massassi mailbox gets, the only way to ensure reasonable accuracy is to train it non-stop. What's the point in auto-filtering to the junk folder if you then have to browse your junk folder for anything that shouldn't be there? It's going to be quite a while before spam filters become truly effective methinks.

It's not targeted towards that kind of spam. Just like how PC watercooling doesn't work on a nuclear reactor...

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I'd say this will stop being a problem very soon. I doubt the profile structure will change significantly after 0.9.

Uh...oh....

BOB, CALL THE OFFICE!

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There is no need to uninstall, you just have to create a new profile.

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