http://www.drdino.com/articles.php?spec=111

I found a link to this in someone's sig. Here's what bothers me. ID is basically a repackaging of creationism after bible thumpers finally understood that the earth is more than a few thousand years old and most of genesis is impossible.

It's basically a way of saying "looks like darwin is mostly right after all, but god still created everything in the beginning... because... you know... religion would seem kind of pointless if we ruled out god creating us."

stop whining hippie, its been discussed before and nobody cares

I've thumbed through that before.

It made me angry.

ANGRY.

Except Darwin's view has little to do with the origin of life.

God damn I can't stand this.

Tell me a reason to care. Seriously. In the end, it's all demagogy. When it concerns religion, I think that people should believe in whatever it is that THEY believe, and leave the rest of the world be.

I can't stand at all.

Every time an ID thread is created on the internet, Jesus kills a kitten.

You mean "uncreates"

Whatever. :p

This is the one true church. Please read the entire site carefully so you will understand the truth of all things.

http://www.venganza.org/

Amen. His noodly appendage has always touched me.

Geee... I wonder where...

The really really funny thing, is that life itself isn't that complicated. On a cellular level it really just takes a few acid chains and some proteins, and woops, you have life. It really isn't as magical as it seems. How the 2 of the 3 non-living germs, those are amazing.

Gold!

Unfortunately, there is one thing that has already ruled out Intelligent Design as a theory:

George Bush.

I think that poor political jokes make an excellent example too.

Freaking taleboys.

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Even I'm sick and tired of the endless bickering that is associated with every ID/evolution rant-thread ever.

Good thing nobody cares what you think.

Dude, stop.

TWO THUMBS UP FOR A GREAT THREAD!

I like to believe that religion and evolution work together, that doesnt include ID particularly.

God made the Universe and Man, all within the confines of scientific fact and a generally-accepted timeframe, ie, trillions of years, bLing Bang and so on,

Has a nice ring to it.

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What. The. ****?

All hail the flying spaghetti monster!

You know, I can't keep myself from imagining a future in which the Flying Spaghetti Monster religion is mainstream because our descendants will have failed to pick up on the satire.

More frightneningly, I can't keep myself from wondering if we are those descendants, as applicable to similar historical satire.

Idea! Instead of griping on "teh interweb" every time you see the words, "Intelligent Design", debate in people who actually know about it in other revenant forums. Few of you are even in a position to critique it, let alone gripe about it like it's the end of the world to people who don't care.

Few of us are in a position to critique it? I'm pretty sure even the higher primates are smart enough to see its flaws...

Intelligent design: It's evolution, just as long as you agree that god started it, and god controls it.

I have been touched by his noodly appendage.

I beleive in Creationism, I have never heard a good argument for evolution, (and I think I have heard just about all of them). As for creation it is circular reasoning to a degree. But it has more historical support than evolution.

I think we can forget ID as it seems to try to find a middle ground in a debate that dosen't really have one.

[QUOTE=Numenor King]But it has more historical support than evolution.[/QUOTE]
Hahaha. Like what?

LIKE GOD CREATED THE UNIVERSE YO! HE THE ULTIMATE AUTHORITY!

Or something like that.

BEACAUSE WE SAID SO!

Right...

[QUOTE=Numenor King]I have never heard a good argument for evolution, (and I think I have heard just about all of them).[/QUOTE]
Then either one of three things is true:

1. You have NOT heard all the arguments for evolution.
2. You have but refused to listen to them.
3. You are just a moron.

And as usual, Emon shares the luuuurve.

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[QUOTE=Numenor King]I beleive in Creationism, I have never heard a good argument for evolution, (and I think I have heard just about all of them). As for creation it is circular reasoning to a degree. But it has more historical support than evolution.

I think we can forget ID as it seems to try to find a middle ground in a debate that dosen't really have one.[/QUOTE]

What's funny is Evolution doesn't HAVE an argument. It doesn't explain the creation of anything, and it doesn't try to PROVE anything. It's a scientific theory that works when applied. There's no way to APPLY ID, thus it's not a science.

[QUOTE=Numenor King]I beleive in Creationism, I have never heard a good argument for evolution, (and I think I have heard just about all of them). As for creation it is circular reasoning to a degree. But it has more historical support than evolution.

I think we can forget ID as it seems to try to find a middle ground in a debate that dosen't really have one.[/QUOTE]
Ok, normally I try to stay away from this topic, but this comment got to me a bit. If it was said earlier in the post, sorry, I didn't take time to read everything, but what I have to say applies to those also.

You really need to be careful when you say something like that... the reason?read on
I believe in creation by God, but *gasp* I also believe in evolution! OMG SACRILEGE! I'm going to do some light bashing of strict creationists here, so I'm sorry if you hate me because of it, but there are flaws in strict creationism. They all stem from ignorance and not trying to actually research things and understand them.

Evolution is a fact, let me repeat that for those who missed it, evolution is a fact. (what's disputed is the evolution of modern man and his origins, not evolution in general) We see it every day, it's called mutations for survival. Bacteria and germs do it all the time. It even happens on small scales inside the human body (i.e. the immune system). So you not believing in evolution is just ignorance, and saying you've heard all the arguments and none are strong enough is basically saying you're not listening to them. Hell, even the earth itself has evolved since it was formed. Plants evolve, animals evolve, everything that lives evolves. To think that in the thousands of years humans have been around they never evolved is just plain stupidity.
For those that base their creationist beliefs from Genesis in the christian Bible. Remember that genesis was written by Moses to explain the origins of life to the Hebrews that he freed from Egypt. Also remember that they wern't the most intillegent people around (not a bash, they were slaves and not educated). He had to explain it to them in a way they could understand. Genesis takes place in pre-written history, hence it cannot be taken as 100% accurate.

It really isn't that hard to combine the two beliefs, God created everything, and evolution is the natural course of life that followed. See? in one statement I made both creation and evolution both coexist in harmony.

Just my 2 cents, if you don't believe what I do, that's fine, but I just figured it's better to give a reason rather than just to accept something with no explination.