They screwed up SWG, they cancled Sam and Max, and coming out with mediocre games now.

However, they did bring us Dark Forces, JK:DF2, MOTS, JO, JA, and a lot of other good titles.

But those are all old now. They've changed.

LEC do suck

They made JK, but thanks to its crappy limitations, my finished compiled mod wont work. It only has 1150 files!

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Yes. I don't hate all their new games (like Knights of the Old Republic, Empire at War, Republic Commando) but when I compare them to old fun games like TIE Fighter, Dark Forces series and even Shadows of the Empire.. I think I'd still play KotOR

JA is a good title?

KOTOR had average gameplay at best, but it really shined in atmosphere. That made up for so much in my opinion. (But blame me for being an optimist.) Republic Commando was mindless fun. If it had improved and more varied gameplay, a wider range of missions, more emphasis on storyline and character development, was set during A New Hope rather than the prequels, and was called "Imperial Commando", it would have been an awesome game. And SWG? Well, let's just say it had a lot of potential that was completely stomped on and obliterated. (I'm looking at YOU, business suits.)

I need not say anything about the old games. Back in those halcyon days, they could do no wrong. Whatever happened to: "We may only make a couple games a year, but they're good games." They used to be able to say that and sound humble!

Well, whatever. If a miracle happens, and the company goes back to the way they used to be, I might give them better than a somewhat generous "maybe".


(By the way- I'm not sure how many have heard this yet, but LA recently lost their rights to Steve Purcell's work, and he's now seeking to get another game started under the wing of a different company.)

I was under the impression that it was SOE that made the proverbial pig's ear out of SWG.

Yes, they suck. They probably started being lame in the 2000's. With the exception of KOTOR, they have turned good ideas into mediocre implementations. Examples? JO/JA, Republic Commando, Battlefront I/II. 'nuff said.

I can't imagine when I will buy something from them for a long time. The last LEC game I got was JA.

JO was not mediocre. JO > JK, DF, JA, and MotS.

[QUOTE=- Tony -]I was under the impression that it was SOE that made the proverbial pig's ear out of SWG.[/QUOTE]

LEC is the one who loaded the bullet, and told SOE they wanted a more "age accessiable" game.

SOE pulled the trigger.

yup.

Aye, they are both equally responsible. It's a shame that the market determines how games are developed. And it more than annoys me how every Star Wars game has to be a jedi game now. Not even Battlefront could escape.

Freelancer, I'm siding with you about Jedi Outcast not being mediocre, but I still think its predecessors beat it out. (Jedi Knight would be my unisputed favourite if the swordplay was as complex as that of JO/JA.) JA loses massive points for its uninspired storyline and Scooby Doo ending.

"NOOOOOOOOO! I would have gotten away with it too if it weren't for you meddling kids!"

I would agree if this statement strictly applied to MP. JO CTF > *. On the other hand, JK/MotS SP had a dark atmosphere, unique characters and locations, and huge maps. And no Barney.

IMO JO had a slightly better story than JK, though both were pretty good.

Battlefront is fun.
Republic Command was nonstop awesome.


You people suck.

I voted suck, though.

I completly agree with you 95%. JO kind of set a new bar for FPS Jedi Knight action imho, but JA just failed to surpass that. It was a JO mod in all reality. Not sure about RC, never played it. Battlefront I was like OMGZL337, but BF2 was a bit a TOTAL letdown when you think of how much better they could have made it.

We can't blame LEC for all the reasons why we think their new games suck. If it wasn't for money hungry CEO's who don't give a **** about gamers, nor their programmers, we could have had a pure JK Killer by now. The JK devs poured their heart and soul into a game that was truely in a league of it's own, and I can't find anything bad to say about them. Even with the limits imposed on the engine, you gotta think that it was made to run on P1 90Mhz, 16mb RAM cpus WITHOUT 3d accel.

BF2 was a letdown... Except for getting a chance to be Chewbacca. That also happens to be the only redeeming part of all-hero games. The first time I fell into one of those hellholes, I thought I was back in SWG again. The horror!

Are you saying... what I think you're saying? That the sg-1 mod is FINISHED?!

Oh wait, it's April 1st. Haha, you almost got me there.

I think BF2 is fine. The saber combat (in my opinion) is the most fun I've had in any SW game.

No you immense boob, its finished and it wont work. Read a scentance before reacting!

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No, they do not suck. Many hours of fun were spent playing JK, and I will never forget it. I...*sniffle*...I owe my life to LEC. *sniffy*

LEC Started sucking after Jedi Knight imho. Not 100% suck all the time, but there was at least 20% suck at all times after JK.

As great as MotS was, once again, it could have been better. (even if it was an 'expansion')

Yeah I know, I was just being a jerk.

JK was a really good game.

Then I got half-life.

Fixed.

PFFFFT.

AWESOME single player
Sven Coop
Science and Industry
Team Fortress Classic
Rats series of levels


All things that came out of Half-Life, that made it better than JK.

Someone should make JKRats.

LEC hasn't developed a good game in years. Produced, yes. Developed, no.

You people do know that a game developer's current staff isn't static, right? LEC made great games back in the 90's but they aren't so good now of days because of the constant changing staff. Not only that, LEC hardly makes any of their Star Wars game in-house anymore. JO and JA were made by Raven software, KotoR was made by Bioware, SWG by SOE, etc etc.

Good point Savage.

So in all technicality, it's those OTHER DEVS that suck.

But still, LEC tells them what they can and can't do... right?

Like I said, LEC loads the guns and the other companies pull the trigger.

Dark Forces > *

Just something about it...along with the original XWing & TIE Fighter..

So release it and we can all pleasure it until it starts to work.

So much massassi mansekzing would surely cause it to function.

Plus Natural Selection and, lately, BrainBread. And They Hunger. And Poke 646.

Yeah, I would agree that HL > JK/MotS. Don't forget Op4.

The last LEC game I got was JO. SWG doesn't count as that was all Sony and was pretty much a really really crappy Everquest turned Star Wars.

Republic Commando was sweet. It could have been better but it was still a very fun game. I voted suck because there's no Imperial Commando: Rebel Scum yet.

What happened with SWG? People were all over that...then it like dropped off?

I think they made it too easy to become a jedi or something.

i've had some let downs, but TIE fighter, JK, and IJET all still give me hours of fun.

especially indy. i love beating nazis with table legs.

I've been dissatisfied with LEC since they made XWA which IMO suxbad.

But they *have* made (edit: published) some decent games recently. I've been meaning to buy Empire at War.