You cannot blame the fault of the program crashing on the OS. Is it Windows' fault that my data structures assignments kept having segfaults or was it the fact that my code sucked at the time?

Edit: :snypa:

I personally prefer PCs, there is ways to get around almost EVERYTHING.
I can get around my library's internet blockers, into passworded accounts, etc with a pc. NOT WITH A !@#$ING MAC!

That's a poorly-configured PC.

Not really. You can always get around any blocks on a PC. Because there's so many different ways to do everything, you never block every way.

It's actually REALLY easy, edit a profile in the MS-DOS prompt and, if your school uses bess, change the current proxy to 8080.

Ahh, them were the days...

At our school, the C:\ drive of every machine was taken out of My Computer to stop us messing around with them. Your options (if you wanted to see this drive) were:

1) Open MS Word, click file -> open. FULL ACCESS
2) (My personal favourite) Win + R, type c:\, enter. FULL ACCESS
3) Use DOS. FULL ACCESS

The list was endless.

The best thing was our Network Administrator was my old woodwork/metalwork teacher, and he told me "You can't draw" in year nine. In year eleven he had to grade my mock Technical Drawing exam in which I got an A. That man was a tool.

THERE IT IS, THE ROTATING BEACHBALL OF DOOOOOMMMMM ARGH HOW I HATE YOU

i think it looks delightfully pleasant

[QUOTE=Dj Yoshi]I've noticed something. People who barely use macs say they're rock solid and work very very well. People who use macs day-in and day-out have lots of problems with random crashes of programs (MUCH worse than Windows in this respect--I've had Illustrator, Photoshop, and even iChat, the Apple-made chatting program crash on me too many times to count) and just plain instability.[/QUOTE]

I've been using Macs almost exclusively for the past two years and its incredibily stable. My computer has crashed 3 times in almost two years. Applications barely ever crash.

It's all about taking care of your things...

What do you use it FOR?

I, like the man in that video [HILARIOUS] am [was?] an editor that has to use a Mac pretty much exclusively. The day Final Cut Pro is released for windows, I will work for less than 15 dollars an hour. Anyway, we ORIGINALLY tried on-site editing with the powerhouse emac my boss purchased. 5 gigs of ram, 3 or 4 gigantic hard-drives, a bunch of fans... this thing was a MACHINE. The first time I ever sat down to the machine, about an hour before a wedding, It functioned for 10 minutes. As soon as I tried [After figuring OUT where] final cut pro, the mac simply shut down. I tried turning it on. Nothing. This MAC is pre-built by a company that specifically tailors each and every machine to work with Final Cut Pro. The company has an amazing track-record.

This PC basically cost me my job, because my Boss can't edit on the scene anymore, the mac is too unstable. So now he just brings all of the material home, edits it on the mac, and then produces it at home. Because it's somewhat inefficient to pay someone for 8 hours of work, as opposed to editing on the fly [Which I do far better than he does, and usually while I'm also directing via mic] I lose a job. Annoying. Sometimes, however, he has me edit portions of his larger projects, and pays a percentage of his final product, which is a LOT more money than I was making working random weekends. Still, I don't like having to work for 2 days straight without actually WORKING half the time. Usually I'm IRCing, waiting for the MAC to work suddenly.

Macs are really inefficient for powerhouse programs, but for simplistic web surfing and other fun-stuff, it's perfect.

I dont understand why people are always complaining about PC instability. My dell PC has crashed literally about 5 times in 2 years. This thing never freezes or gets error. My firewall isnt even enabled.

Final word: Mac's suck.

I've been using a Mac at work that we haven't rebooted for six months, and it has never crashed. We use iMovie and Final Cut Pro primarily. My PC in my dorm hasn't crashed except for a few times in the past several years. So that tells me both are performing quite well.

Final word: Users suck.

Who is this mac you speak of, and what is this suck of his that you speak of?

Not at all. I've used my own iBook for the past year, and used the G5's at school all year. There's been times it's shut off, and times that it just locked up and I had to either hard reset or take the battery out, depending on which machine. And I take care of my ****, not to mention the G5's are used for NOTHING but graphic design stuff (illustrator, flash, and photoshop mostly). I'm sorry, but you're wrong.

Right. You know my own experiences better than I do.

I'm sure you're absolutely right.

It has nothing to do with your experience. It has everything to do with your statement about "It's all about taking care of your ****". lrn2comprehend

[QUOTE=Dj Yoshi]It has nothing to do with your experience. [/QUOTE]

No, it's got everything to do with yours :p

Mine, 1000 other students', along with 40-50 other teachers', and 30 G5's right?

I just don't like macs.
Just don't like the way they work.
I haven't used them enough for them to crash on me though.
As for my PC, I've had it for about 3 years.
In that time, the entire thing has crashed once. I think.
A few programs have crashed mostly because I just had too much going on.
Like working in GIMP, 3dsmax, freehand, a number of websites and the whole thing just got bogged down.
even then, only the programs crashed.
Many things on my PC don't work right but I can attribute them all to specific mistakes that I have made, uninstalling stuff I shouldn't have, etc.
I'm always shocked when I see folk who only use their PC for the net and word proccessing and it seems to die regularly.
I make an effort to push mine as far as it will go and I don't have near the amount of trouble they do.
Seems odd to me.

[QUOTE=Dj Yoshi]Mine, 1000 other students', along with 40-50 other teachers', and 30 G5's right?[/QUOTE]

Out of....how many mac computers / users are out there? I'm assuming slightly more than one thousand. And I'm pretty sure more than 30 G5s exist.

It all comes down to individual experience, which is why one can't say that Macs are amazing, or Macs suck. If they work for you, they work for you.

You can't make the results irrellevant just because they don't represent EVERY SINGLE MAC IN THE COUNTRY. People take statistics on small, random groups all the time. That's how most statistics are done, in fact.

1100-ish macs is a good sample group, and a good representation of the Apple name. See, mac fanboys don't want to admit that there's ANYTHING wrong with their precious macs. Get over yourselves. I like macs alright, they're not my favorite machines, but I'm not going to trash talk them for no reason. Just because I say something that you don't agree with doesn't mean that I'm wrong.

These chocolate chip cookies are delicious!

OMG MAYO IS THE DEVIL

Protools runs better on macs.

The PC version is ***.

That's all I really know about macs.

[QUOTE=Dj Yoshi]Mine, 1000 other students', along with 40-50 other teachers', and 30 G5's right?[/QUOTE]

Tetchy, tetchy! Didn't ya see the smiley?

Chill ya boots

Well, I'm jumping into the "my Mac crashes constantly" crowd here. Sorry Mac people. :p

I dare not even start in this thread...

But you just did!

Oh no! The guy who proudly boasts he works for Apple in each and every post just might get involved in a thread about the unreliability of their products! Lordy lordy! What are we getting ourselves into?!

Heres my experience at school with Macs:

I go into the library during lunch, being bored as usual, and decide to go on the internet with one of the macs. Well, after about 5 minutes of waiting, I relize that it's frozen during a search on google. wtf? Well, I hold the reset button, and go onto the next one. Same thing. Except it crashed when I went to Google's homepage. I move to the next, getting frustrated, and this mac is already frozen. Nobody was on this one! The last mac worked painfully slow, and the bell rang.

So that's why I prefer PCs.

[QUOTE=Dj Yoshi]You can't make the results irrellevant just because they don't represent EVERY SINGLE MAC IN THE COUNTRY. People take statistics on small, random groups all the time. That's how most statistics are done, in fact.

1100-ish macs is a good sample group, and a good representation of the Apple name. See, mac fanboys don't want to admit that there's ANYTHING wrong with their precious macs. Get over yourselves. I like macs alright, they're not my favorite machines, but I'm not going to trash talk them for no reason. Just because I say something that you don't agree with doesn't mean that I'm wrong.[/QUOTE]

Your example is probably a poor sample group, since they are all similarly configured machines on your school's network. Chances are, your network administrator is incompetent if they crash all the time. I've seen Mac labs run by art majors that don't crash nearly as much.

The G5's have no contact with the network admins whatsoever. The laptops do, and you could surely attribute some of the instability to the restrictions and other silliness put on there, but the teacher/staff's laptops, and the lab computers have no contact with the network admin. At all.

Again, if your system was properly configured, this would not be possible. There were 25 IT students (some of which were professional IT dept. guys) trying to hack one computer for an entire week. Trust me on this, if properly configured, you can lock down a system while still allowing functionality.

That's like saying a properly configured Windows box would get no spyware or virus'. And IT students aren't exactly the smartest bunch, no offense.

That is so untrue. I was using Pro Tools perfectly fine on XP before switching to Mac.