I can't do that, DJ_Yoshi. Then again, I'm not pretending I can make an entire film with my modeling skills. Then again, I could and sort of have made full blown starwars fanfilms before, but then again I had access to Final Cut Pro, and 20 or so willing actors, and 3 or 4 of us playing with scripts.

Then again, that turned out to be crap, but then again, it was still fun. Then again, one of the guys got a job using it as a portfolio piece. Then again, he was an actor.

Then again...

[QUOTE=Dj Yoshi]My bad. But yes, that's what I want. Is 10 seconds, not much, of animation. You're talking 240 frames.

It won't give away any story, you don't need sound, all you need are your own models, a few textures you did yourself, and an animation.[/QUOTE]

Ok, I might give you a 10 second animation of that scene, but, remember, the scene is still very early, I think it might take like 6 months to get close to the final renders, so what can I show for only 10 hours work?

EDIT: I'm going to take off alot of options so it can render much quicker, but it will be of much lower quality.

I've got a finished painting with more than 150+ hours in it.

Thats more than you have.

I'll even prove it.



Thats my painting.



Thats about halfway through painting it. I spent atleast 20 hours on the flowers that went over that grass.



Thats my self portrait. I had spent abotu 40 minutes on it by that point. Even that is more than anything you've ever done.

You could argue I didn't make the paint that went into any of my paintings, much like you don't make hardly any of the models you use.

But it's a given. Even then, I still did more work than you because I mixed every color you see in there by hand.



To sum things up.

You suck, and I don't.

Lovely, 150 hours = that, 10 almost totally wasted hours = what I have now. If I spent 150 true hours on what I'm doing, we could then compare it.

I didn't bring back a single dead issue. I just think it's a bad idea to wake up one morning and decide you're going to make a starwars fan-film because you saw a really cool one on a website somewhere. I've been in film for 6 or 7 years, and I wouldn't start my own film even with my skills and abilities. Trust me: it's far beyond just getting help. In the end, you'll have little to no hand in the project at all.

Just post your script somewhere on line and ask if anyone is interested in adapting it. That'd be about the only way you're going to get any interest, and it's about the ONLY hope the project has.

Besides, that's the way it SHOULD be done. If the script is good enough, it'll get made, and then it'll be worth all of the work. If it's not good enough, it'll collect dust, and NO ONE will waste their efforts on it. That's how it is for a LOT of film projects. It's darwin's theory of film evolution.

Sadly, we've only gone down hill in mainstream movie evolution, but that's a different debate.

My friend, I've been planning, and trying to do fan films FOR years. Ever since the first episode 2 fan trailer came out, I've been doing lightsabre effects, animation things in blender, blue screen effects, and other things, for almost 5 years now. I know the trade very well, and I've finnally sat down and started doing something serious.

Serious enough to the point where I am willing to spend money, have got a few friends helping me find people.

Jesus Christ, Gold, stop trolling.

Wow, don't lie.

What program do you use for motion capture? How about post production? Who's doing the acting? What are your previous projects you've been a part of? Do you have any kind of background other than tinkering? Can you name more than 1 very well known editing programs? Do you even have a high-end camera that can connect to the PC? What about a tripod?

I seriously doubt your credentials. Very seriously. EVEN if all of what you claim is true: I've had far more background. I still wouldn't start my OWN starwars fanfilm. Things like that take far more than a few friends that have tinkered with the idea.

Oh, but you said you've put more into things than I have.

And I proved you wrong.

You still lose, loser.

Give me the animation and we'll talk.

PS--Rob, that painting's nice.

Thanks Yoshi.

I'd paint more.

But I've had a block.. for almost two years now.

For the record, I've never liked that painting :-/
I'm sorry you invested so much time into a Charley Brown-tree.

Hahaha.

Alot more went into those flowers then you might think.

And they're so different than everything else on there. I love them. I love the color too.

Heh, I know the feeling. I just recently got over a 2 1/2 year drawing block, and have been pumping out drawings. I doodled and stuff on papers for school, but never really drew. Now that I've got the chance, I'm CHURNING them out.

Program for motion capture? I've got many: Virtual Dub, I believe Video Mach can do it, I have the software that came with my Pinnacle PCTV capture card, that works pretty fine, and other software as well.

I use blender and zwein stein (not sure of spelling) for all my visual effects, I never have encountered anything I could not over come some how.

I once was on a lego star wars fan film team, thats where the pics from my website come from, however it was cancelled, I was once going to get on the same team that did Rogue, to do another fan film, but the man who was doing it never contacted me again. In fact, I never heard of him again on the forums.

I have a camera, but its not going to be used in this project, instead, I'm going to hire a friend of mine with his camera, which is in excellent quality, unlike mine.

Yes I have a tripod, duh!

You never heard from him again, because no one wants you piggy backing on someone elses project and really doing nothing, because you don't REALLY know how to do anything.

No one wants a troll either.

And for the record, I've done lots of things for people, things that they used in their jobs that put food on their tables.

Like beating people up with your fake ninja kempo gang?

I've got news for you.

The mafia has been at that game much longer than you have. And they do it for real.

Virtualdub and the other things you listed aren't going to cut it.

for true motion capture, you need something like this:


http://www.metamotion.com/


The best you can do is split video footage into frames, rotoscope each frame with your effects, and them reassemble them into video.

$50 says he didn't understand anything passed "The" in the last sentence.

I'd do that only if I'm doing lightsabre effects.

You're right.

Go away.

Ew! I'm so spoiled with Final Cut Pro. Sometimes I have to do a little bit of frame by frame editing, but that's to fix the few errors in the automatic tools.

I'm not sure what your point is, but with the tools he mentioned, he will probably have to apply special effects frame by frame by editing them in Gimp or something similar. My point is, he's not really set up to do motion capture, in spite of what he thinks.

I've imported video before and did blue/green screen effects that needed little frame by frame editing, but yes, I will most likely need this. But since lots of the movie is set in a desert, which I happen to live closely too, not much of that will be required at first.

Cut your hair, ya friggin' hippy.

Now then, is 12:18 am, Yoshi, I might have the animation done by the week end, for now, I'm going to sleep. I really am serious about this, and I need any one who can draw to help me.

Gold, you're probably not going to find anyone receptive here, so why don't you check out other Star Wars forums or the forums at ConceptArt.org?

This is the best help I can give.

Oh man... you go watch a bit of LoTR and you miss a doozy of a thread like this.

This is just begging for an MSPaint drawing.

EDIT: In other news...

:em321:

Answer all these questions, GoldG, and then I'll consider you actually serious:

A. What program are you using to EDIT the video you capture? (VirtualDub is not acceptable)
B. What framerate are you going to capture at?
C. Can you provide a portion of your script, as it exists right now? (I don't care how much its going to change, I want to see a portion of it.)
D. What about audio editing?
E. Why are you rendering scenes for a movie that has no final script?
F. How long is this fanfilm?
G. How much hard drive space do you have? (This relates to the previous question, and both are very important)
H. Who else is working on this project? You mention actors, friends, etc. How many and what do they know, and what are they doing?

[QUOTE=Michael MacFarlane]Cut your hair, ya friggin' hippy.[/QUOTE]

also, not a big fan of that forearm stocking thing

If you are "sick of getting on trial for nothing" why start this thread? Obviously, there will be hard questions.

Everyone's being an *******.

.'/

Gold isn't claiming to be a renowned, famous, proficient, or even GOOD director or editor. He's just working on some little project. Yeah, maybe it doesn't have much to show for it. Maybe it only has a few models from outside sources in a lame mockup scene, and a script we haven't seen yet, but it's no different than your average TC announcement. Sure we'd tell that person they probably don't have the time/skill to do it, but we wouldn't smash their face in with it.

If you were in Gold's position, trying to make a movie or short film or even a cool little clip, would you want everyone to be harping on your *** about previous things you've said you were doing, but weren't, or couldn't? Unless you all think Gold is going to be a pathological liar all his life, which you really shouldn't, you have to think that at some point he may stop trying to impress us and actually maybe want to dabble a little bit in some film type stuff.

Maybe that's now? So, if you can help him with, please offer, and if not, be quiet? All you're going to do is discourage him to the point of really failing, and then next time he wants to attempt some creative project, he's gonna be less enthusiastic and he's gonna remember how no one would help him... not even that, how everyone was completely over the top in telling him how he was basically useless. Which isn't true.

Gah. At some point you have to stop griping and just assume he might actually be trying this? He's not attempting some grand cinematic presentation, it's not hard to believe this is legitimate, and if it is for you, at least just let it go without posting for the sake of making these forums a little more friendly.

Please................

Well said Saberopus.

I understand why some of you may think Gold has ridiculed himself in the past, but please, why are so many of you so incredibly harsh all the time?

It's almost like elementary school where everyone is just ganging up on the same kid over and over again. Sure, there are 'reasons' enough, but it's got to stop at some point. Some of you seem to be obsessed with proving your supposed intellectual superiority all of the time more than anything else, which is really childish. And some of you wonder why people hate massassi...

More friendliness would definitely be a plus.

hahaha I used to do that

showdown, thugs of tatooine, jkrpg, eye of chaos, pirate quest, chronicles of kendor, level this level that har har

i love this thread. so much bloodshed.

MANFROTTO

hehehe i have no idea why i laugh so much when i see their logo

[QUOTE=Cool Matty]Answer all these questions, GoldG, and then I'll consider you actually serious:

A. What program are you using to EDIT the video you capture? (VirtualDub is not acceptable)
B. What framerate are you going to capture at?
C. Can you provide a portion of your script, as it exists right now? (I don't care how much its going to change, I want to see a portion of it.)
D. What about audio editing?
E. Why are you rendering scenes for a movie that has no final script?
F. How long is this fanfilm?
G. How much hard drive space do you have? (This relates to the previous question, and both are very important)
H. Who else is working on this project? You mention actors, friends, etc. How many and what do they know, and what are they doing?[/QUOTE]

a:blender and zwein stein, gimp if needed as well. (I have other programs, but I won't mention them unless I truly do need them).
b: not sure, perhaps it will 15 fps, or 30fps, but 25 fps sounds nice too.
c: later
d: krital audio editor, audicity, and a whole 10 gigs of music and sound effects
e: I wanted to try somethhing out and it appeared to have a good start
f: I wanted it to be little over 1 hour long, but I've divided that story into 3 parts of no more than 25 mins or so. I don't believe we can do the whole 1 hour full blown, my concept is, after part 1, part 2 and 3 are inevitable.
g: I have right now about 10 gigs, how ever, I could free another 20, and most importantly, I got another non used 120 gig hard drive, so hard drive space is not an issue.
h: my friends are liking the idea of being actors, how ever, nothing serious has been considered. Two of my friends have very good cameras, I'm trying to get them involved for the very reason, and one of them could do a significan role. My girlfriend wants in on it, believe it or not, and I could cast her, how ever, if she can't play the role, than I'm sorry for her, I'm not letting my dream that I've had for years now go to waste.

This thread is hilarious. We got the best of Massassi all in one. Yoshi and Kirby are arguing with Smock, everyone is complaining about Gold, Rob's being Rob, and kyle90 made an awesome paint image.

Yeah.