Your metaphor makes no sense.

Page 2 shall start with everyone being nice. >.>

Peh I'll just leave... I think its 50/50 actually, not that I look at it... 50% of the people think its wrong, the other 50 are hypocrits.

No

Im not going to see it juse because I know it will bring back bad memories.

I dont think the movie should have been made, but meh.

If you want to watch something about Sept 11th, watch the movie they had on CBS that started out as a documentary on firefighters.

Personally I think this will be a great movie. It will depict the courage and selfless thinking of the people on that plane and hopefully teach anyone else that watches it the same thing.

I hate how everyone wants to push 9-11 under the rug and forget about it. Do you really think all the people that died in those events really want you to NOT talk about, to not remember? Bad things happen, yes, but you can't just block them out of your mind. I think the timing on this is good enough. Maybe because it's so soon that it'll encourage people to change.

I really agree with what they did, what they tried to do, on United 93. I think the whole world is just a bigger version of a school playground. If you let a bully push you around and take your money, then he's gonna do it again, either to you, or another person. If there's one good thing about United 93, it's that I don't think another hijacking will occur for a long time because of what happened. People can and will fight back, and hopefully this movie will spread that idea to more people.

first of all, the idea that it would suddenly be ok as long as enough time has passed is pretty stupid. that said, why the heck shouldn't they make a movie? no one complained about pearl harbor (the movie) or titanic. i have a theory as to why also. i think its because the people that were old enough to have been affected by those events were mature enough by the time the movie came out to realize it wasn't a big deal. also, why is it so evil for people to make money? it's called capitalism. welcome to america. its not like they flew the planes.

I agree, but I still think that the documentary does a better job of making people remember.

And what you all have to remember is, this event was much more realistic for some people than others. So some people will care taht its being made, others wont.

i disagree. consider titanic. suddenly after that movie came out there were millions of 16 year old girls that knew who molly brown was. documentaries may do a home job me providing facts, but they don't create interest in specific subject among the masses.

And the people it affected the most, the families of the people one Flight 93, are going to be the most sensative to the events portryed in the movie, yet they are all brave enough to see that the movie was made.

Thats a pretty lame excuse, that story was glorified and they probably fell for the love story.

My point was, the documentary is a better way to see how things happened.
The airplane in this movie is a different thing yes, and it is important we remember them too.


I dont know honestly, Im fine with the movie being made dont get me wrong there.
I just dont think it will be as powerful as that documentary.

It likely won't be as real as the documentary. But I think it will probably be more powerful and will reach a lot more people, for the very reason that it will dramatize and focus on the story, rather than the facts. Documentaries have a tendency to be rather dry, and most people will not even bother to watch them just because they're "documentaries" even if they're incredibly good. But, put it into movie form, and suddenly you've got a medium that will reach significantly more people.

That really depends on the quality of the movie. Band of Brothers is one of the most powerful pieces of media I have ever seen, and it's not a documentry by any means. The difference with this movie is that it's not going to be like Titanic or Pearl Harbor, which both used historical events as a back drop for lame love stories. This movie is striving to be as factually accurate as possible.

I'm amazed this hasn't degraded into chaos yet. Just be warned I'm watching this thread closely.

Great! We were so curious...Where does he stand on this? Ah!

Along the same vein as Sarn and Avenger...

Documentaries do an excellent job of providing information, but as Sarn said, they're usually rather dry. They can tell you exactly what happened, how it happened, why and when it happened, and who it affected, but it just doesn't have the same feeling or impact as seeing it for yourself. Movies do an incredible job of immersing you in the moment, and letting you experience events as if you were there, something which not all documentaries can do.

Don't get me wrong; I love documentaries, and they definitely serve their purpose, but you can't really substitute one for a movie, or vise versa. (Though some people will, inevitably, prefer one over the other, and that is of course their own choice to make.)

I understand completely what you guys (Sarn and Avenger) are saying. Im not trying to say that the movies going to be bad. I agree too with the Band of Brothers statement.


But I just think that the emotion in the documentary can never be matched by an actor.
I dont know what its called, I havent wached the whole thing either. I personally cant. I think ive seen about 5 / 10 minutes of the whole thing.

[QUOTE=Hell Raiser]Actually, yes, I do. THEY ARE MEANT TO RAKE IN MILLIONS OF DOLLARS INTO SOME JACKASSES POCKETBOOKS.

Granted, they give you the sense that "You are there" and are entertaining, to say the least.

Yet, how long did it take for those movies to come out afterwards? It sure as hell wasn't < 5 years after the incident.[/QUOTE]

The Green Berets, a John Wayne movie about Vietnam, was released in 1968. '68 was one of the biggest years of that war. It made profits. Are you about to start protesting that movie too?

A documentry on Flight 93 would be very powerful if people had survived, but without them, I think it would lack something that would keep it from being really outstanding.

I have no problem with this film. I understand why theres no documentary :p

Im pretty sure in my overtired state I may have contradicted myself.

It's all good. Not enough people actually do that in such a manner that actually relates to the topic. It's refreshing.

[QUOTE=Hell Raiser]Yet, how long did it take for those movies to come out afterwards? It sure as hell wasn't < 5 years after the incident.[/QUOTE]
So where do you draw the line?

I challenge you to come up with a logically sound answer to that question. Logically sound means sound by the rules of logic, not by your whiney emotional guidelines.

Don't think too hard, you might pop. And I'm wearing a clean shirt.

So how is this different from the Green Day/other pop-punk songs about 9/11 or whatever? Those are meant to rake in millions of dollars too.

They're not. People just like excuses to get pissed off at stuff.

Yeah. Also, there was already a movie on USA (cable channel) about a month ago and no one made a peep about it. How's that for hypocracy?

My opinion on the matter is that there have been enough discovery channel and the like documentaries about 9/11. All of them free of charge. While it is a decent thing to do to produce a true-to-life movie about the events that took place to honor the memory of those lost, I agree with HR that they've got profit in mind more than honoring those lost.

According to some of the conspiracy theories, Flight 93 didn't even happen.... now wouldn't it be ironic if that were true?

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Hey, uh....I think you guys are forgetting one very important thing:

If it was me, I'd be ****ing ecstatic that they made a movie about me. Where's the disrespect in that? Because they're dead? What does it matter? If I did that and lived, I'd think it was awesome that they wanted to make a movie out of it, so what's the big deal if I died?

Dont you realize you actually PAY for Discovery channel. Not just with your subscription channel, but with your time to watch the COMMERCIALS in between? Unless its on PBS or local access or something, it is FOR PROFIT.

I think being offended by this is the most idiotic thing someone could do. Making profit off of tragedy is possibly the most human thing in us. We should be disgusted with ourselves.

KYOO EFF TEE

Humans are greedy bastards. We've always been, and I doubt it'll change any time soon. :p

Geeze, chill out. I meant "free" as in I'm not paying specifically to watch just that one program, as one would for a movie.

you can buy a DVD of a documentary you know.

Also, they do need to make money to be able to make up the cost of the actors, equipment, studio hire, crew members. Remember, it does COST money to make a movie in the first place.

Many of the documentaries aired on public European channels (Dutch and Belgian at least). Public channels, as in, they don't show commercials during programs (or not at all, for some), and you don't need cable subscription to receive them. Al you need is electricity and a most basic TV with antenna.

As for the "not so short afterward" argument. Normally I would agree, don't sell out a disaster like this while people directly related might still take offense. But if they explicitly stated they were ok with the film, than I really don't see the problem.

How can they make a movie when no one knows what happened to that plane?

Some people think it was shot down by a US fighter, and other people think other things happened.

I think after they make this movie, when you google image search United 93 you'll finally see images of a crashed plane. Thanks to Hollywood working to the advantage of the government.

That is what I think.

Uhm what?

Are you saying they didnt show the crashed plane before this movie? Cause they definatley have.

I wouldn't mind if Hollywood could make a decent serious movie. But it will inevitably turn into a retarded extremely emo piece of crap, or a retarded "ZOMG teh conspiracy!!1one" movie like Fahrenheit 9/11. Since they already have the latter it will be the former. Emo. And people will like it.

actualy, farenhieght 9/11 was more of a "left wing version of fox news" type of thing. only much less shouting over people with the belief that it makes your argument better.

How can you complain about Hollywood not making serious movies, when you can't post in a serious debate without using words like retarded and emo or 1337 speech to depict your point?

Yes, people will like it because it will reach them, and this event has touched the lives of many. People who knew the victims would never want them forgotten, or for this disaster to be swept under a rug and forgotten. It looks to me like you are acting revolted just for the thrill of it.

Yep, Hollywood is making money off of it, but it always takes a storyteller. Not all people in our lifetime, or in future generations care to pick up a history book and read it. Not to mention that many people are turned off by the idea of watching a documentary. This will be a way to learn of this event, to remember this event, even with this dramatized version.