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Fascist Belgium
2004-06-17, 3:15 AM #1
Hey guys

Don't really know why I'm posting this here, but I think it's important, important enough to hog some space. Note: this may not mean much to you, but it implies loads.

We had elections over here this week, and a party called 'The Flemish Block' got out of it as grand winners. They got 25% of our votes.

The Block, short, is an extreme right wing movement. They speak of 'handling the immigration problem'.

Recently, they opened a phone hotline which people could call anonymously if they suspected illegal activity of an immigrant. Of course, this only as a start for more.

I stumbled across some photos of Block members, and it ain't nice. Check it out...

[http://blokbuster.antifa.net/fdwaanval2.jpg]
The guy on the left is the leader of the Block, guaranteeing Belgian security by smashing up an innocent foreign student, in the streets, in daylight. (Later he'll do the same to his wife)

[http://blokbuster.antifa.net/dillen.jpg]
The founder of the party as a boy.

[http://blokbuster.antifa.net/dewinterhh.jpg] The leader of the party (see the fight pic above) taking the oath.

[http://www.lsp-mas.be/lsp/2002/eriksson.jpg]
A bigass party official at Hitler's birthday celebration.

I got more, including pamphlets stating 'revisionism is not a crime' and such bull****...

This may not seem astonishing, and hell it's just Belgium right?

BZZZT! WRONG!

Do NOT be mistaken. This is happening near you. ONE out of FOUR of Belgians voted for the guys hailing the Flemish/Nazi flag. This is not our problem. It's everywhere.

It could be you. It will be a lot of you.

Beware guys...
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enshu
2004-06-17, 3:23 AM #2
Was'nt Belgium occupied by Nazi Germany in WW2? [http://forums.massassi.net/html/confused.gif]

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2004-06-17, 3:29 AM #3
immigrate to america? or join with other political parties to chalange the movement.

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2004-06-17, 3:38 AM #4
VIVE LA RESISTANCE!

Anywho, how is the EU looking upon this?
2004-06-17, 3:53 AM #5
Since Brussel is kind of like Europe's capital, I'm starting to fear for my sanity.
2004-06-17, 4:05 AM #6
*looks over at Wookie06*
You ready to kick some Nazi *** ? I am.
2004-06-17, 4:07 AM #7
The images aren't loading for me, they would be quite interesting to see.

What were the people thinking? Did the voters know what they're voting for?

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2004-06-17, 4:16 AM #8
Hey man... if the pics aren't loading for you, try blokbuster.antifa.net/foto.html

Thanks for the replies. The one about kicking nazi *** is probably pretty out there, but it's really the reaction I'm looking for. I'll try to hold on to that thought.

Anyway, back to the books for me. Two exams tomorrow, one of which is physics, and is probably very basic, and yet so giving me a hard time. 'Magnetism', man's best friend.

Keep the replies coming, and kick some nazi *** (cause this IS nazi, and it IS *** , IMHO)
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enshu
2004-06-17, 4:22 AM #9
Hey, more people I'd like to see blown up.

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2004-06-17, 4:31 AM #10
Hey, more reasons for not joining the EU completely! Woosj!

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2004-06-17, 5:17 AM #11
Do you have an article or anything we can read?

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2004-06-17, 5:22 AM #12
Damnit

[This message has been edited by Tenshu (edited June 17, 2004).]
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enshu
2004-06-17, 6:56 AM #13
Quote:
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Mister_Sinister:
*looks over at Wookie06*
You ready to kick some Nazi *** ? I am.
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I'd have to learn abit more about them first. Tenshu initial post didn't really say anything shocking. The images are a little disturbing. At least the one with the Nazi flags. I don't know enough about what's going on in the other images to judge them. The shocking thing here is that a country would actually do anything to get immigration problems under control. We don't even do that here. Hell, depending on what state an illegal immigrant creeps into they might actually have more benefits than citizens.



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2004-06-17, 6:59 AM #14
*looks at steven harper*


*sigh*

The end is near. [http://forums.massassi.net/html/frown.gif]

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2004-06-17, 7:38 AM #15
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Tenshu:
Do NOT be mistaken. This is happening near you. ONE out of FOUR of Belgians voted for the guys hailing the Flemish/Nazi flag.</font>


Just to point something out...one out of four Belgians that showed up to vote voted for him, not one out of every four Belgians.

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2004-06-17, 7:50 AM #16
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Wolfy:
Just to point something out...one out of four Belgians that showed up to vote voted for him, not one out of every four Belgians.

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Everyone above 18 is forced to vote over here...
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enshu
2004-06-17, 8:25 AM #17
I'd definitely keep an eye on them.

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2004-06-17, 8:34 AM #18
Oh don't worry. If they do anything out of line, our fearless leader over here in the states will surely start a war with them.

Note, that is sarcasm.

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2004-06-17, 8:43 AM #19
Are they going to pull out of the EU? The UK has had similar problems, with the UK Indepedants Party getting increasingly popular. And the whole 'anti-immigrant' line is worryingly effective.

I'm very interested, why do Belgians support this party? I'm not really up on my modern Belgian history, what's been happening lately? [http://forums.massassi.net/html/smile.gif]

It's never as simple as 'nazis taking over!11'. Support for extremist groups only arises in extreme circumstances. The Nazi party was voted in democratically by Germans, don't forget. I'm not sure who the main opposition was. The communists?
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2004-06-17, 8:54 AM #20
Not quite, Morg. Originally, the Nazi's didn't even hold a majority of the seats in the Reichstag. But, they went and set fire to the Reichstag building, then made it look like the Communists did it. In turn, the Communists were expelled from Germany. The Nazis then took the Communists seats in the Reichstag, giving them the majority. Then they made Hitler the Chancellor.

And Wookie, I doubt they're referring to a real immigration problem, like what we have over here (referring to illegal immigration). It looks more like anti-foreigner rhetoric to me.
2004-06-17, 12:11 PM #21
I was just being sarcastic. Of course I oppose parties like this one if they do in fact represent Nazi-like ideals. I just don't know enough about this party from his post to say much about them.

What's more shocking to me are 1) people are forced to vote there and 2) that 25% of the votes would determine who won.

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2004-06-17, 12:39 PM #22
mrrh, I feel for you flexor, It's pissing me off that we have to vote for those ****ing backstabbing liberals if we don't want harper to come into office. Bah.

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2004-06-17, 12:44 PM #23
I don't see anything wrong with forcing people to vote.

There really isn't any advantage to 'not' voting, it just means that extremeist parties are more likely to get voted in (not that it's helped much here). As long as they're not being pressured into voting one way or another. The 'right to not vote' really isn't useful to anyone.

Also, the 25% majority suggests that there are more than two parties to vote for.
So they did get more votes than any other party. (But then again, 75% of people didn't vote for them, so hmm)

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2004-06-17, 1:02 PM #24
Hey look! Nazis! TIME TO BOMB THEM TO DUST AGAIN.

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2004-06-17, 2:15 PM #25
I'm afraid of history repeating itself.

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2004-06-17, 3:32 PM #26
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Echoman:
I'm afraid of history repeating itself.

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Do they have the resources to repeat history?

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2004-06-17, 3:39 PM #27
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Mister_Sinister:
*looks over at Wookie06*
You ready to kick some Nazi *** ? I am.
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Return to Castle Belgiumstein!!

/me grabs flamethrower

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2004-06-17, 3:46 PM #28
We have people like that in the US too. Around here in the south we have religious extremists and people who think that the civil war never ended. "Lets secede from the union, have slaves again, and live by the ten commandments!" Though those people luckily aren't in office.

When you say "grand winners" and "25%," I'm guessing that belgium has lots of fairly equally powerful political parties?

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2004-06-17, 4:41 PM #29
All I have to say is, watch France.

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2004-06-17, 4:57 PM #30
Quote:
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Echoman:
I'm afraid of history repeating itself.</font>


Oh, the irony if Belgium marched through Germany to attack Poland.

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<jipe> .. yes, Ubuu, we're racist commy nazi jews, and we hate male pattern baldness
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2004-06-17, 11:00 PM #31
Whatever happens, Poland will get invaded again. God dang it...

Heh, I guess we are gonna have to call "Belgian Waffles" "Freedom Waffles" now.

In any case...

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2004-06-18, 3:18 AM #32
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Roach:
Do they have the resources to repeat history?

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Not really. That's the good part.

But they built a wall.

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2004-06-18, 3:33 AM #33
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Mort-Hog:
I don't see anything wrong with forcing people to vote.

There really isn't any advantage to 'not' voting, it just means that extremeist parties are more likely to get voted in (not that it's helped much here). As long as they're not being pressured into voting one way or another. The 'right to not vote' really isn't useful to anyone.
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Forcing people to vote is just begging for flawed results. For example, why would you want to force a person to vote if they have zero knowledge or opinion on an issue or the party/candidate's stand on the issue? Plus, there is the whole issue of the government forcing you to do things.

Quote:
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Mort-Hog:
Also, the 25% majority suggests that there are more than two parties to vote for.
So they did get more votes than any other party. (But then again, 75% of people didn't vote for them, so hmm)
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That's why, despite it's flaws, I think a two party system is preferable. In the US we still allow multiple parties but the system really only supports two. One's beliefs don't always fit nicely in line with stereotypical Democrat or Republican ideals but there will generally be enough commonality for one to catagorize him/herself.

Even with a two party system it has been 16 years since a president has won an election here with a 50%+ majority of the votes. The last three elections were in the 40% range.



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2004-06-18, 4:02 AM #34
Quote:
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Forcing people to vote is just begging for flawed results. For example, why would you want to force a person to vote if they have zero knowledge or opinion on an issue or the party/candidate's stand on the issue? Plus, there is the whole issue of the government forcing you to do things.</font>


The point is, it is your right to vote, and if you don't vote, you aren't getting your say.
2004-06-18, 4:51 AM #35
Or you're just saying you don't care, which is true of alot of people. However, it really ticks me off when said people start griping about who gets elected.

[This message has been edited by Mister_Sinister (edited June 18, 2004).]
2004-06-18, 5:10 AM #36
...or those people, like me, could simply not like neither the Republican nor the Democratic candidate, and simply abstain from voting, still retaining our griping rights.

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<ubuu> does hitler have a last name?
<jipe> .. yes, Ubuu, we're racist commy nazi jews, and we hate male pattern baldness
<Professor`K> Sorry, but half-way through your logic, my head exploded
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2004-06-18, 5:26 AM #37
Quote:
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Wookie06:
Forcing people to vote is just begging for flawed results. For example, why would you want to force a person to vote if they have zero knowledge or opinion on an issue or the party/candidate's stand on the issue? Plus, there is the whole issue of the government forcing you to do things.
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Being forced to vote only means you have to go drop a piece of paper in the urn. It is not illegal to not write anything on that piece of paper, or to write something like "All the candidates suck" or perhaps "Donald Duck" which is quite popular in Finland. (The Finnish government doesn't enforce voting, though.)

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Looks like we're not going down after all, so nevermind.
2004-06-18, 5:42 AM #38
Wookie: Belgium's fascists still only have approximately 25% of the total political power. The other parties can and will form voting coalitions in order to neutralize the fascists' majority.

In the US, a political party can completely rule the Senate with 51% percent of the vote in 26 states. Less than 10% of the population could potentially control the most powerful legislative body in the nation.

Personally, I prefer multi-party, proportional representation schemas.
2004-06-18, 6:06 AM #39
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Mort-Hog:
Are they going to pull out of the EU? The UK has had similar problems, with the UK Indepedants Party getting increasingly popular.</font>


The British National Party is the one I'm worried about. The increased popularity of the UK Independence Party isn't a "problem", in my view.
2004-06-18, 11:59 AM #40
this picture has me especially worried:
[http://blokbuster.antifa.net/dewinterhh.jpg]

particularly the man in the upper right with the realy weak combover.. and the fact that bill gates is sitting in the lower left..

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