People often debate whether Homosexuality is caused by nature (genetics etc) or nurture (upbringing). I don't really have any particular view, tending towards the idea that it's probably a combination of the two. Some people may have the view that if it's genetic it's perfectly acceptable, whilst if it's caused by social factors it's not ok. This isn't my opinion, it's just what some may think.

So here's my question, what about paedophiles? I don't think it's right, but I wonder if this is a hypocritical view by society. If other sexual orientations are acceptable is it any different for paedophiles (other than the not-to-be-dismissed factor of children not being mature enough to consent), if they are genuinely attracted to children (i.e. it's not just some way of lashing out at society or a bad upbringing), does that make them "bad people"?

Posting in what will be a legendary thread.

I think there's a distinct difference between a 30-year old man having sex with a 7-year old girl, and a 50-year old man being in love with a 23-year old girl. So, if it's genetically determined, fine with me, as long as it's about love with someone who's able to choose, rather than just sex with a kid who doesn't know what it's all about.

Well, I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that I've never heard of a case of a pedophile having sexual relations with a child that later claimed this was perfectly ok.

This topic is gay.

Children are generally viewed as 'innocent' by most public standards that I have had thrown into my face. The manhandling of any child for any sexual gain removes that 'innocence' which I would assume people hold sacred because they themselves can never return to it. I know people who are still willing to kill (or worse) my ex neighbor for this sort of behavior, and it's been a year or so.

Difference is, kids don't know and understand what sex is about. Two homosexuals together are consentual and understanding of the implications of sex. A child has no clue. Whether the attraction is genuine or not, there's no excusing robbing the child of his or her innocence.

I think there's a big difference between having an impulse and acting on it. You aren't a bad person for what you think, you're a bad person for what you do.

Children are pretty dumb, guy. Propositioning a child, even at the best of times, is roughly equivalent to slipping a girl a roofie.

I reckon that if there's someone who is attracted to kids but realises that children aren't aren't mature enough to feel the same way back and consent etc and therefore doesn't actually do anything, society shouldn't judge him/her if he/she admits to it.

But I suspect, that in such a situation of admission, there would still be pitchforks and torches.

100% agree, if the attraction is genuine as you said, and not fueled by something else.

People who diddle with kids are tend to have their own issues that are rooted back in their own childhood, making it more an environmental cause.

I will agree with this, But I would like to add, if they try to act apon this feelings in any way, they need to be locked up forever or worse..

Also, when people see the word pedophile, they assume it means a child rapist, But a pedophile is just some one attacted to a child..

has to what causes pedophiles. I heard, most often it was caused by sexal abuse at a young age.

what causes a pedophile rapist. see above + what causes a 'normal' rapist

Actually the correct term is 'pederast'. Pedophilia is a general-sense term for child loving, including the totally innocent kind of love.

Edit: This is less a problem with common usage and more a problem with the simpering knuckle-dragger who initially used it as a loanword. The colloquial definition is correct in the English language but incorrect in Greek.

I'm so not getting banned this time.

But are you so not getting banged this time? Ah lolarsnaps

kids are too small for all that

/manbangs FastGamerr "ooohhhhh so fast!"

That's what I was going to say.

ROBOT CHILDREN

the perfect solution

For the kid's sake or for the molestor's sake? Or both?

The society nowadays deems that persons under some defined age (at least statistically) can't make decisions for themselves. And so those people are protected by the state. Going against those rules, like any laws, makes one a criminal. So, in simple terms, sexually active paedophiles are bad people. I have no doubt most of them are naturally what they are. If you think about it, there's nothing so absolutely strange about it; attraction doesn't need to be bilateral, like all rapists have proven all too many times.

Nature.

Who cares? :p

the boy with the wide butt cares

Biologically speaking, it just doesn't make sense. I know that homosexuality doesn't make sense in evolutionary terms, but we live in a society where sex is about far more than reproduction, and people are therefore able to seek out pleasure in other ways. For a woman who finds women attractive (ie), I know that there is no "natural" reason that they should, but the feelings that they have are simply those that have existed throughout our species for as long as we've been here. Having them towards a different gender doesn't change the fact that you are finding normal things sexually attractive. The parts of both men and women that are found desirable are things that don't develop until adulthood. Finding a child sexually attractive simply makes no sense to me at all.

I also think it's dangerous that any kind of sex without emotional involvement is okay. Pornography is one thing that leaps to mind. Fantasising about having sex with someone simply in order to orgasm just doesn't seem right. A sexual encounter should involve an attraction (that I would imagine would begin with conversation) that is mutual. This sort of thing just is not possible with a child.

You forget that control is a major sexual turn on for men. That's why choking is a library of porn in itself. Men have a natural attraction to overpowering. Children are easyily controlled and forced. It's that weakness in children that pedophiles enjoy.

Um, you may not like it prevalently, but it's a part of your animalistic instincts. You can't deny instincts. We have an instincts to kill, but we don't always act on them.

Uh, what? Care to back that up?

I'd rather not spend 2 hours searching google for the psychology behind choking porn :-P

[no] gives answers to all questions.

I'm not denying that some men get off on control and/or choking, but the statement that men get off on choking is false.

who deleted between kirby?

Jep.

And I'm not saying that choking gets all men off, I'm saying that control is an underlying natural sexual drive for men.

Kirby was talking about men liking to be in control. Choking is a way to be in control.

What about masochists?

It's not black and white all men have to be in control. There are always going to be people whole don't fall into the larger group.

That's because you are a woman.

Men and women see sex in different ways, though there is certainly overlap.

This is why Mormon (and similiar ideologies) girls are really crazy.
-A reasonable attractive woman can, if she wants it, in almost all situations have sex.
-Even an extremely attractive male, in almost all situations, has no guarantee of sex.

This is outside the different natural views of emotions/physicality that men and women have. This makes men much more desperate for sex, because it is strictly forbidden.


Sex is 'no way no how in any way shape or form until marriage' in the LDS faith. And in my exerience, Mormon girls tend to think of sex more like men, desperately. And so, they are insane, desperate, and ****ing freaky.

And the idea that communication and attraction, on an emotional and intellectual level, is impossible with a child, makes no sense to me. I don't quite get the attraction to undeveloped children though. I have had the embarrasing happening of checking out and flirting with a 13 year old girl who looks at least 17.

I'm not entirely sure what any of this had to do, but it made me think of this.

That wasn't what I meant. I was talking about the sexual attraction that comes from communication, you can't (or atleast I can't see how you could) have that with a child.

Homosexuality Stems mainly from birth*, or from extreme reactions during upbringing (usually rape or abuse).

*What we find attractive in our day to day lives, Chemical response.
For example:

Ruthven just happens to enjoy Eggs and Bacon, and likes goth girls.

Gay men, just happen to enjoy men's bottoms, and find men attractive (both love and lust)

(simple no?)

if(getThingFlags(source) & 0x8){
  do her}
elseif(getThingFlags(source) & 0x4){
  do other babe}
else{
  do a dude}

You can find anything attractive if you want to. Pedophiles case in point.