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If this passes, bye bye a good portion of 'ians
2006-05-31, 7:05 PM #1
Originally posted by ./:
Lawmakers target MySpace again. ardyng writes "It appears Congressman Michael G. Fitzpatrick,(R-Penn) has introduced a bill to the U.S. House of Representatives that would ban minors from accessing social networking websites such as Myspace, as well as any site that 'allows users to create web pages or profiles that provide information about themselves and are available to other users; and offers a mechanism for communication with other users, such as a forum, chat room, email, or instant messenger. The Bill, H.R. 5319, also known as the 'Deleting Online Predators Act of 2006', is still in its infancy, but in its current form, would forbid libraries from allowing access to such sites as well." (That description would also include the site you're reading now.)


ABC news on it
actual bill

Well, this would give a new thing to do when you turn 18, porn, smokes, forums, gambling, and voting.
Holy soap opera Batman. - FGR
DARWIN WILL PREVENT THE DOWNFALL OF OUR RACE. - Rob
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2006-05-31, 7:10 PM #2
I don't know if any of us would argue that it was a bad thing, per se...

Except I loves me some Zloc. What would kyle90 do without his Zloc?
Stuff
2006-05-31, 7:12 PM #3
That's outrageous. ****, INTERNET PREDATORS? WTF? That's analagous to banning minors from walking on sidewalks, 'cuz god knows a helluva lot more predators pick up kiddies there.
"it is time to get a credit card to complete my financial independance" — Tibby, Aug. 2009
2006-05-31, 7:13 PM #4
It'll never pass.
Pissed Off?
2006-05-31, 7:16 PM #5
This is like banning halloween because there might be razors in the candy.

Since that has never happened.

The only difference here is that it actually has happened. like, four times.
Epstein didn't kill himself.
2006-05-31, 7:30 PM #6
Originally posted by Spook:
This is like banning halloween because there might be razors in the candy.

Since that has never happened.

The only difference here is that it actually has happened. like, four times.


Four times? Add a couple zeroes to that and you'll be closer to the reality.
Moo.
2006-05-31, 7:32 PM #7
I think it's important to note that this would ban access in public schools and libraries. Most schools probably block access already. I doubt this'll change much, since the cases I've heard of all concerned kids who had home computers.
Steal my dreams and sell them back to me.....
2006-05-31, 7:32 PM #8
The point being that it rarely ever happens.
Pissed Off?
2006-05-31, 7:33 PM #9
Originally posted by Avenger:
It'll never pass.


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2006-05-31, 7:33 PM #10
Haha! Congress is trying to look proactive!
Code to the left of him, code to the right of him, code in front of him compil'd and thundered. Programm'd at with shot and $SHELL. Boldly he typed and well. Into the jaws of C. Into the mouth of PERL. Debug'd the 0x258.
2006-05-31, 7:35 PM #11
Originally posted by JediGandalf:
Haha! Congress is trying to look proactive!



haha, that is kinda funny
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tofu sucks
2006-05-31, 7:36 PM #12
Originally posted by Freelancer:
That's outrageous. ****, INTERNET PREDATORS? WTF? That's analagous to banning minors from walking on sidewalks, 'cuz god knows a helluva lot more predators pick up kiddies there.

It's not outrageous...I can see where they're coming from. But it's a silly action and it'll never pass. To even think it will is...well...asinine.
D E A T H
2006-05-31, 7:37 PM #13
Originally posted by JediGandalf:
Haha! Congress is trying to look proactive!


Solving the nations problems by targeting emos and attention whore girls!
2006-05-31, 7:38 PM #14
Originally posted by Avenger:
The point being that it rarely ever happens.


It's uncommon, yes, but to say it "rarely ever happens" is like saying that people "rarely ever" get into car accidents. It's not common, but it definitely happens a lot. Often enough for it to be a big deal.

Not that I support this in the least; they should crack down on internet predators themselves, not the victims, as others have already noted.
Moo.
2006-05-31, 7:42 PM #15
Originally posted by A_Big_Fat_CoW:
Four times? Add a couple zeroes to that and you'll be closer to the reality.

Cite. Source. Now.

Originally posted by A_Big_Fat_CoW:
It's uncommon, yes, but to say it "rarely ever happens" is like saying that people "rarely ever" get into car accidents. It's not common, but it definitely happens a lot. Often enough for it to be a big deal.

Not that I support this in the least; they should crack down on internet predators themselves, not the victims, as others have already noted.

Speaking in vagueries makes you seem a lot more intelligent than you really are. So does making bad analogies.
D E A T H
2006-05-31, 7:43 PM #16
Originally posted by kyle90:
I don't know if any of us would argue that it was a bad thing, per se...

Except I loves me some Zloc. What would kyle90 do without his Zloc?

People like you get the internet banned. You sound like a predator.

But I must admit, I loves me some kyle90 as well. His bromine stories add color to my life.
I had a blog. It sucked.
2006-05-31, 7:47 PM #17
[QUOTE=Dj Yoshi]Cite. Source. Now.


Speaking in vagueries makes you seem a lot more intelligent than you really are. So does making bad analogies.[/QUOTE]


Originally posted by http://www.protectkids.org/statistics.htm:
One in 33 youth received an aggressive sexual solicitation in the past year. This means a predator asked a young person to meet somewhere, called a young person on the phone, and/or sent the young person correspondence, money, or gifts through the U.S. Postal Service.
Youth Internet Safety Survey


And that's just the first thing I found.
Moo.
2006-05-31, 7:48 PM #18
Originally posted by A_Big_Fat_CoW:
And that's just the first thing I found.

I meant about the 400 or so razor blades in candy incidents.
D E A T H
2006-05-31, 7:49 PM #19
[QUOTE=Dj Yoshi]I meant about the 400 or so razor blades in candy incidents.[/QUOTE]

Which I wasn't even talking about. :p
Moo.
2006-05-31, 7:49 PM #20
Yeah, but does predator include the jock at their high school who wants some pussy? Those studies are almost always bull**** because they ask the question "Have you ever received a sexual comment on Myspace?" (almost everyone) and turn it into 'sexually agressive'.
Epstein didn't kill himself.
2006-05-31, 7:49 PM #21
It seems this bill is for blocking these sites from state-funded schools and libraries. Don't they already block certain sites?
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2006-05-31, 7:50 PM #22
Also, no offense to other 13 year olds, but if you go somewhere where internet predators are abundant and don't know enough to realize what's going on, you're an idiot. I'm not going to hook up with some 29 year old guy who can't get any from even the fattest of women because I'm NOT THAT STUPID.
I had a blog. It sucked.
2006-05-31, 7:50 PM #23
Originally posted by A_Big_Fat_CoW:
Which I wasn't even talking about. :p

It was a part of your argument. Cite. Source. Now.
D E A T H
2006-05-31, 7:52 PM #24
Originally posted by Zloc_Vergo:
Also, no offense to other 13 year olds, but if you go somewhere where internet predators are abundant and don't know enough to realize what's going on, you're an idiot. I'm not going to hook up with some 29 year old guy who can't get any from even the fattest of women because I'm NOT THAT STUPID.

See, here's an elementary flaw in the internet--you may meet someone "who lives in your town" who is "your age", and is actually 30 years old and a sexual predator. He could be on these boards. He could be anyone. You never know.

You can't protect yourselves as well as you think against these kinds of things.
D E A T H
2006-05-31, 7:52 PM #25
[QUOTE=Dj Yoshi]It was a part of your argument. Cite. Source. Now.[/QUOTE]

...

No, it wasn't.

Spook said "it's like the razorblades, except that's never happened, and this has only happened four times." (Paraphrased, of course.)

Reading comprehension FTW.
Moo.
2006-05-31, 7:53 PM #26
I doubt this bill will pass. I really don't see how it could be enforced anyway and if I'm not mistaken, a school shooting was averted because the plotters used myspace to post their plan, those allowing some students who were visitors of myspace to prevent the event from occuring. If it weren't for myspace (as well as student teenagers with no brains to post something like that on the internet), that event might had happened.
The cake is a lie... THE CAKE IS A LIE!!!!!
2006-05-31, 7:54 PM #27
Originally posted by A_Big_Fat_CoW:
Which I wasn't even talking about. :p


Well, shoot, never mind then. It just looked that way.
Pissed Off?
2006-05-31, 7:54 PM #28
Originally posted by A_Big_Fat_CoW:
...

No, it wasn't.

Spook said "it's like the razorblades, except that's never happened, and this has only happened four times." (Paraphrased, of course.)

Reading comprehension FTW.

Yes it was. You were comparing the razorblade incidents to the child predator incidents, or something like that. Thus making it part of your argument. Now cite a source on your bull****.

"Reading Comprehension FTW"

Hurr.
D E A T H
2006-05-31, 7:55 PM #29
[QUOTE=Dj Yoshi]I meant about the 400 or so razor blades in candy incidents.[/QUOTE]
Its more of a scare from the 70s. yea
though, you should no doubt always check
Holy soap opera Batman. - FGR
DARWIN WILL PREVENT THE DOWNFALL OF OUR RACE. - Rob
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2006-05-31, 7:56 PM #30
[QUOTE=Dj Yoshi]Yes it was. You were comparing the razorblade incidents to the child predator incidents, or something like that. Thus making it part of your argument. Now cite a source on your bull****.

"Reading Comprehension FTW"

Hurr.[/QUOTE]

...

Spook said "it only happened like four times" in the context of internet predators, to which I responded it has happened more than that. He said the razorblade incidents never happened, and I never even commented on it. He was the only one to compare the razorblade incidents to internet predators. So **** off and get back to the topic at hand.
Moo.
2006-05-31, 7:57 PM #31
[QUOTE=Dj Yoshi]See, here's an elementary flaw in the internet--you may meet someone "who lives in your town" who is "your age", and is actually 30 years old and a sexual predator. He could be on these boards. He could be anyone. You never know.

You can't protect yourselves as well as you think against these kinds of things.[/QUOTE]
Which is why I don't give out addresses to anyone, unless they're sending me something, IE: Phoenix sending me some software. No one else knows where I live, and I think I'd know if he were my age or not, because I know a great deal of the kids in public school and have some friends who could clarify for me.
I had a blog. It sucked.
2006-05-31, 7:57 PM #32
Originally posted by A_Big_Fat_CoW:
So **** off and get back


hehe
"it is time to get a credit card to complete my financial independance" — Tibby, Aug. 2009
2006-05-31, 7:57 PM #33
Originally posted by A_Big_Fat_CoW:
...

Spook said "it only happened like four times" in the context of internet predators, to which I responded it has happened more than that. He said the razorblade incidents never happened, and I never even commented on it. So **** off and get back to the topic at hand.

Or you could find a source. Oh wait, genki already did that for you.

90. Not 400. 90 incidents reported.

And I could be wrong, but Spook was saying the Razorblades incidents actually has happened, like 4 times.
D E A T H
2006-05-31, 7:59 PM #34
Originally posted by Zloc_Vergo:
Which is why I don't give out addresses to anyone, unless they're sending me something, IE: Phoenix sending me some software. No one else knows where I live, and I think I'd know if he were my age or not, because I know a great deal of the kids in public school and have some friends who could clarify for me.

You don't need to give out your address for people to get it. Ever ordered something online? Ever had a forum account you put your state on? Your city? From there they can take your last name, and do a search. That'll probably yield between 10 and 100 results. Then it's all a matter of paying attention to your posts, and if you post any pictures trying to find out where that is.

It takes effort, but it's not hard at all to find out where someone lives on the internet if you look hard enough. And there are people that will.
D E A T H
2006-05-31, 8:00 PM #35
[QUOTE=Dj Yoshi]Or you could find a source. Oh wait, genki already did that for you.

90. Not 400. 90 incidents reported.

And I could be wrong, but Spook was saying the Razorblades incidents actually has happened, like 4 times.[/QUOTE]

No, the razorblades never happened.

And I only recall a handfull of actual incidents of sexual ASSAULT due to myspace etc.
Epstein didn't kill himself.
2006-05-31, 8:01 PM #36
[QUOTE=Dj Yoshi]Or you could find a source. Oh wait, genki already did that for you.

90. Not 400. 90 incidents reported.

And I could be wrong, but Spook was saying the Razorblades incidents actually has happened, like 4 times.[/QUOTE]


Why the hell would I find a source for something I was never talking about?

Originally posted by Spook:
This is like banning halloween because there might be razors in the candy.

Since that has never happened.


Meaning no one has put razorblades in candy.

Quote:
The only difference here is that it actually has happened. like, four times.

Meaning that "internet predators" have "happened" like, four times.

To which I replied that there have been a lot more incidents with internet predators than four.

So, again, I never commented on the razorblades. Get off my *** about it.
Moo.
2006-05-31, 8:03 PM #37
By the way, there's no possible way to enforce this bill. So no worries.
"it is time to get a credit card to complete my financial independance" — Tibby, Aug. 2009
2006-05-31, 8:03 PM #38
Originally posted by A_Big_Fat_CoW:
To which I replied that there have been a lot more incidents with internet predators than four.
Quote:

And I agree. I was, however, referring to myspace. Obviously a lot has happened from the itnernet, but Myspace? Why have we not banned chatrooms? It's sensationalism pure and simple.

Quote:
So, again, I never commented on the razorblades. Get off my *** about it.


No, as Cow says, he didn't, so let's forget the razorblades?
Epstein didn't kill himself.
2006-05-31, 8:03 PM #39
Originally posted by Spook:
No, the razorblades never happened.

And I only recall a handfull of actual incidents of sexual ASSAULT due to myspace etc.

http://www.snopes.com/horrors/mayhem/needles.asp

Yes, it did happen.

Originally posted by A_Big_Fat_CoW:
Why the hell would I find a source for something I was never talking about?

Because it was part of your argument, and you were talking about it, from what I could tell.

Originally posted by A_Big_Fat_CoW:
Meaning no one has put razorblades in candy.

There was never clarification on "it".
D E A T H
2006-05-31, 8:04 PM #40
be good you two
/me shakes the fist that yields no power
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