Marine's parents sue anti-gay Phelps clan.

About damn time.

It's a good start, yes.

Killing protesters could be a good next step.

Or simply removing there faces/arms.

Good. Those people are complete idiots.

I think I say this on every Phelps thread.

Lock and load, *****es.

If any one can supply one STRONG reason (freedom of expression or some ohter law does not count) that can justify gay ness, I will officialy then support them, until then, good bye.

That's not even what the discussion is about, did you even read the damn article?

No. We are NOT going this route.

"Justify gay ness"? What?

I concur. Phelps sounds like a read dick (First I've heard of him and his clan)

They go to the funerals of soldiers (straight soldiers) that have died in the middle east and protest against the United States, which they call the US of Sodom, for supporting homosexuals. They have a right to protest gays, but at a funeral? They are total asses.

I couldn't quite figure out exaclty what they did from the article/what they stood for, thanks for fleshing it out for me.

I don't think gay people ARE looking for your support :-/

Oh dear.

If any one can supply one STRONG reason (freedom of expression or some ohter law does not count) that can justify SF_Gold's continued presence here, I will officialy then support them, until then, good bye.

It makes people happy without hurting anyone else? That's the way they were born? I'm assuming you think it's not justifiable because two men (or two women) can't make a child. Well my parents, a man and a woman, weren't able to have their own children, so does that mean their love shouldn't be allowed either? There just isn't a single good reason against homosexuality that doesn't come from religion.

And like Kirby said, gay people don't need your support. There are millions of people that already hate us for something we can't help feeling, what's one more?

^win^

With out me, there would be no massassi. I'm tolerant of all races, nationalities, and religions. However, I do not support gay people, at all. I will not give out my reasons as to why I don't, as they are a private and personal matter, and that gained my hatred towards all gay people.

What did a gay person ever do to you? I would seriously like to know, you just sound like an *** now.

He got beat up in a Kung Fu showdown by a rival gang member who happened to be gay.

You make me laff.

[QUOTE=Vincent Valentine]It makes people happy without hurting anyone else? That's the way they were born? I'm assuming you think it's not justifiable because two men (or two women) can't make a child. Well my parents, a man and a woman, weren't able to have their own children, so does that mean their love shouldn't be allowed either? There just isn't a single good reason against homosexuality that doesn't come from religion.

And like Kirby said, gay people don't need your support. There are millions of people that already hate us for something we can't help feeling, what's one more?[/QUOTE]

1.-Decency and morals.
2.-That whole scientific thing about people being borned with sexual attraction to the same sex was all debunked recently. So you do NOT have science on your side.
3.-What you expect? You think I can turn off my urges of when I want to have sex with some one like a switch? No one can. Its all about controlling yourself, "controlling your vessel".

lmao, nice kyle.

Try an attempt at rape, and sexual assualt. I was 4 at the time. I've had to live with the knowledge of an indecent human who tried to claim another victim, which happened to be me, and he got off with a slap on his hand. Its been 11 years, soon 12.

I have an uncle who is gay, he has aids. He does not give a **** what he puts his own family through. Having to help him when he gets sick. Having to put up with him, putting my grandmother through hell, as she has to take care of him.

I just simply do not like gay people.

EDIT: Oh, and you know what? THE ATTEMPT AT RAPE OCCURED IN THE U.S.

1. Says who? I'd like to see you find something that says that homosexuality is immoral that isn't based off a certain several-thousand-year-old religious text.

2. Source please.

3. Sure, anyone can "control their urges". What makes your urges correct and the urges of a gay person incorrect?

I agree with you SF_Gold: Homosexuality isn't natural. I'm one of a percentage of homosexual or bisexual people that don't try to justify being the way they are: What if we simply enjoy the same sex? Really? What if it isn't spiritual, natural, or rebellion? What if we simply enjoy men? Should that be an illegal thing, to simply want something that doesn't hurt ANYONE at ALL?

1) Decency and morals? Who decides what's decent and what's moral or immoral? Regardless of that, what's considered decent changes. Interracial marriage was once illegal. A girl wearing a skirt or dress that showed her knees was considered scandalous.
2) Numerous studies have shown that the brains of gay men respond to certain chemicals in the same way that straight women's brains do. Likewise, lesbian women have the same responses as straight men. There *are* physiological between homosexuals and heterosexuals.
3) There's a difference between restraining your desire and having to forcing yourself to be with someone who turns you off simply because that's the societal norm.

1 - Since when do you define ones deceny and morals?

2 - Since when is science the defining factor? Sciences cant explain feelings.

3 - Maybe you should turn those urges off, dont need any little sf_golds running amok. Who says gays arent "in control". Sorry you dont make sense


edit: lol @ vincent, I took too long

Of course it's natural.

.... Holy freaking crap. Straight people can do all of that, too. Being raped by someone isn't a "gay thing." AIDs isn't a "gay thing." And being sick isn't someone own fault. Being an *** about people helped when sick isn't a "gay thing," either. I could argue that everything negative that has ever happened to me has happened because the person doing it had EYES. If we made seeing illegal, half of the crime simply wouldn't be commited.

So if it had both been straight people, you would have hated all straight people. Right?

You're so hopelessly narrowminded I'm glad I don't know you and live half a world away. (In a country where gay people roam around freely and even have the right to marry and whatnot without anyone making a problem out of it)

Wait, they don't keep your gay's penned up? AIDs must be a problem, then...

MARVELOUSLY it is NOT!

I must live in toothfairyland!

Yeah, I have to call ahead before I go out in public. If I'm caught even making googly eyes at boys, I get house arrest for a month. Last time, I was squinting towards the sun

I'm thinking that homosexuality is perfectly natural as at least one of my cats is a homosexual kitty. I don't know how the other one feels. I think he's rather confused by the whole thing.

See, gay's have a tendancy to rape! ONLY gays rape.

plus all gays are paedophiles

and they all have aids.

Dictionary.com defines moral as:

-Of or concerned with the judgment of the goodness or badness of human action and character: moral scrutiny; a moral quandary.
-Teaching or exhibiting goodness or correctness of character and behavior: a moral lesson.
-Conforming to standards of what is right or just in behavior; virtuous: a moral life.
-Arising from conscience or the sense of right and wrong: a moral obligation.
-Having psychological rather than physical or tangible effects: a moral victory; moral support.
-Based on strong likelihood or firm conviction, rather than on the actual evidence: a moral certainty.

In other words, were not little kids here. We all know whats right or wrong. We've all been taught morals. If you don't believe in a moral, it won't justify your actions.

Tooken from a medical website:

What is sexual orientation?
A: Sexual orientation is the term people use to define what gender they are sexually attracted to. Society usually refers to a person who has a sexual attraction to members of the opposite gender as heterosexual (or straight), while someone who has a sexual attraction to members of the same gender as a homosexual person.
Does having feelings toward members of one's own sex make one a homosexual person?
A: Not necessarily. Many boys and girls during early childhood and adolescence have same-sex sexual attractions or experiences but do not consider themselves lesbian, bisexual or gay. Many adults also have same-sex sexual attractions or experiences but do not consider themselves lesbian or gay. It is up to each individual to decide for him or herself whether they are lesbian, gay, bisexual or straight.
What determines a person's sexual orientation?
A: It is not known what determines a person's sexual orientation. One theory is that sexual orientation is determined by genetic or biological factors; another theory is that it is determined after birth by environmental factors. In any case, one's sexual orientation seems to be established by a very early age.

HOMOSEXUALITY IS NOT NATURAL: TOOKEN FROM AN ARTICLE IN WHICH THE RESEARCHERS ADMITTED TO IT:

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Dr. Dean Hamer, a gay researcher, attempted to link male homosexuality to a stretch of DNA located at the tip of the X chromosome, the chromosome that some men inherit from their mothers. Regarding genetics and homosexuality Hamer concluded:

"We knew that genes are only part of the answer. We assumed the environment also played a role in sexual orientation, as it does in most, if not all behaviors.... Homosexuality is not purely genetic…environmental factors play a role. There is not a single master gene that makes people gay. I don't think we will ever be able to predict who will be gay."

Hamer further states: "The pedigree failed to produce what we originally hoped to find: simple Mendelian inheritance. In fact, we never found a single family in which homosexuality was distributed in the obvious pattern that Mendel observed in his pea plants."

When the study was duplicated by George Rice with robust research, the genetic markers were found to be non-significant Rice concluded,

"It is unclear why our results are so discrepant from Hamer’s original study. Because our study was larger than that of Hamer’s et al, we certainly had adequate power to detect a genetic effect as large as reported in that study. Nonetheless, our data does not support the presence of a gene of large effect influencing sexual orientation at position XQ 28.”

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Now back to morals:
How can one say that homosexuality is good or bad? Good question. Why was homosexuality, in some non religous cultures and others, considered wrong in the first place? Well... for one thing, it is not natural. I don't think you'd have sex with a dog, even though there are people who do so. I wouldn't have sex with any male, love, infation, urges or whatever. Why? Because I can control my self. A person who can't is little more than an animal. I never have said that AIDS is gay only, but if we had less gays, we'd have less AIDS, I assure you. I don't think you can justify being gay with an enviorment or experience factor. Most of who have gone through things like what I have, are gay. I'm proud to announce I'm no where near the crap. In short, homosexuality is not natural, productive or benefitive and is a lack of the ability to control one self. A lack of humanity.

EDIT: I'm not suggesting rape is only apparent to gays. Not at all...

Dictionary.com defines tooken as:
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EDIT:
We'd also have less AIDS if we had fewer heterosexual people too.

I think you need to read better. All that says is that they discovered that homosexuality isn't purely based on biology, and that there isn't a single gene that causes it.

As for it being unnatural, I just posted a wonderful link which gives examples of homosexuality occuring in nature. Can't get more natural than that. Here it is again, in case you missed it, it's a pretty good read:

http://www.jrn.columbia.edu/studentwork/cns/2002-06-10/591.asp

Now, you bring up that it can be normal to have homosexual desires, and that a person decides to act on them. That's true. However, should a man who feels no attraction to women have to pretend to be straight because society says that's what's right? Or should he have to be alone for his whole life, just because he's attracted to men instead?

You also say homosexuality is unproductive, and like I mentioned earlier, my parents couldn't have their own children, for whatever reason. Is their relationship wrong?