1.) That was a child molestor. Not even related to homosexuality in the slightest.

2.) You're uncle is one person who does not represent every gay person in the world. Also, there are straight people who are in the exact same situation as your uncle, which means it has nothing to do with homosexuality.

Seriously, if I thought like you did, I'd think that every teenager in Mexico was a video game designing, kung fu master, gang leader who gets into fights out on the mean streets. Fortunately for me, I don't let a single experience cloud the rest of the way I view the world.

You might want to consider getting your head out of your ***.

IF WE HAD LESS BLACK PEOPLE, WE'D HAVE LESS GLAUCOMA! I'm certain that if your God is in any way GOOD, he'd deem what you're trying to pass off as morals "Human Judgement." Stop judging others, and mind your own damned business. People have done bad things to you [or so you've claimed]. Gay people as a whole, however, have not.

Kirby calm down. This thread is already derailed, I'd like to keep it at least civil.

What website?



That is quite ambiguous. It could be read to infer "Each person needs to work out for him or herself...."

[QUOTE=Vincent Valentine]Kirby calm down. This thread is already derailed, I'd like to keep it at least civil.[/QUOTE]

Sorry. The kid just made a claim that puts both you and me into the same category as a virus that has is, and will kill billions of people. That makes me just a little upset. I'll try to calm down.

It's really less of a decision and more of accepting how you are. At least that's what it was like for me.

[QUOTE=Vincent Valentine]It's really less of a decision and more of accepting how you are. At least that's what it was like for me.[/QUOTE]

Same here.

Yes, we all know right from wrong. However, my right and your wrong are not quite the same. There are some morals that are almost universal, such as killing and rape being wrong. Homosexuality has nothing to do with any universal moral.



Even read it? It talks about natural attracton to the other sex. Orientation is a label you apply to yourself to classify yourself in sexual situations, not who you are attracted to. IT SAYS THAT IN WHAT YOU JUST POSTED>



That does NOT debunk homosexuality as a natural trait. It MAY debunk it's origin from that particular area, IF the study is even credible.



Actually, most ancient cultures incorporated gays into their culture and many famous people were homosexual. It's the Judeo-Christian culture that makes it wrong.

Also, you can't seem to control yourself if you can't harness your hatred. Hatred is an animal emotion.

Most people who have been through what you have been through are not any more gay than any others. I'd like you to cite a source if you could, but I'm fairly confident you are making **** up.



Just what ARE you suggesting?

[QUOTE=Vincent Valentine]It's really less of a decision and more of accepting how you are. At least that's what it was like for me.[/QUOTE]

Yes, that's what I was trying to say.

I never decided I was straight... I just am. I guess because it's the social norm it doesn't require as much actual thought to 'accept'.

SF_Gold. Did you decide your sexuality? If you did have to, chances are you're lying to yourself.

Hey SF_Gold, do you know who else hated gay people?

Hint: he also hated Jews.

Man, I'd love to think of something witty and funny to put in this thread, but it's way too far out there.

Anyways we shouldn't let our newfound knowlege of Gold's raging homophobia taint our opinions towards his expert modeling and moviemaking skills. Actually you know what would be hilarious, is if one of the people he's stealing 3D models from was gay.

Oh... I'm now stealing models from people? I'm sorry but cheapshots like that are just no longer credible and derogatory towards the user. The fact is, moraly, homosexuality is wrong, and, there is no real factor that forces people to be homosexual or lesbian. That is my point, and thats why I don't like gay people. Its like using a cane of ivory when you don't have a walking definciency.

If there's no real factor forcing homosexuals to be homosexual, then there's no real factor forcing you to be heterosexual.

It was quite common in Ancient Greece and Ancient Rome. Not just accepted, but part of everyday life for lots of people.

You ignore posts that disprove your points. Please don't do that.

Just because its common, makes you feel good, and you can do it does not make it right. Would you do drugs? Has the same characteristics.
EDIT: I can feel hatred, won't mean I'll give in to it.

It was also very common in the east, in China and Japan and such.


It's not that it feels good, it's that it feels right. And comparing it to drugs is totally unfair, because most drugs will kill you and are generally accepted as unhealthy, while consentual homosexual relationships practicing safe sex are not.

No actually I'm pretty sure it's not. You're obviously just too ignorant and narrowminded to understand that.

I'd still like to see where you get your facts about how it's morally wrong.

Just because lots of people are religious, it makes you feel good, and you can do it doesn't make it right.

Also, respond to our points or we will start the squirrels in islands thing again where we won't let you post without screaming at ayou to counter our points. COUNTER ZE POINTS NOW!

Just what makes it right?

What makes it wrong? Homosexuality has been around a lot longer than any of the religions that claim it's wrong.

Also, you can not deny the cases where homosexual activity occurs in nature. Of all places that it shouldn't happen, nature is it where passing on your genetic matieral is the entire purpose of life, yet it stull happens. So, please explain how something like this could happen. Animals aren't going to choose to be gay.




It's not a matter of feeling good. If it was merely about feeling good, why would anyone "be" gay? It makes no sense.

yes, but jsut because it is socially unacceptable does not make it wrong, nor does it even make it morally wrong. Being a jehovah's witness is rather socially unacceptable in many places, i'd hightly doubt you'd say that it is morally wrong. In ancient rome, christianity was socially unacceptable and for a time punishable by death, yet you would not consider that morally wrong. and many drugs have a large negative impact on your own body. Homosecuallity, however, does not. in as much as sex is energetic activity and burns calories, most sex (not counting potentially harmful S/M which is just as possible in a heterosexual relationship) a homosexual would have is beneficial to the body, so it is, in this case, far better than drugs.

Find something that says eradicating gay people from the face of the earth is immoral, that is not based off a certain several-thousand-year-old religious text.

Ancient Greek gay warriors were known to be some of the fiercest. They fought for their lover's saftey as well as their nation.

If he's stolen from enough people, then statistically some of them must be gay.
If every one in ten men is gay;
And due to adjustment, let' say that every three in twenty men on the internet is gay (because I know lotsa homos, and let's lump us bi boys in there too);
And he's stolen from, let's say, sixty people;
Then he has stolen the work of nine homosexual or bisexual men.
Which is to say nothing of homosexual or bisexual women.
I've actually found that many, let's say 40%, of my female geek friends are bisexual, and maybe 15% homosexual. I don't feel like doing any more math, though.
Let's just call it as "Gold's a Jackass."
And add "Phelps' a Jackass."
And I just love that they call it a clan.
And I must re-iterate my earlier post suggesting that the classic Roman tradition of makin Christians fight Lions in the Coloseum should be re-instated using the many football stadiums of the United States.
Of course, I myself am Christian, so let's make it just Christians who do things like protest at the funerals of soldiers.
And, I just tab-browsed the topic while I was writing this, and I see it expanded a bit.
Let's start with this:
Gold still is disregarding posts that don't jive with his statements. I hate that, but it's something that we all do. I just love how Kirby brought it up and Gold posted right after him with no answer or aknowledgment whatsoever. Funny stuff.
I really wanna post gay porn/hentai here to make Gold mad, but I don't wanna get banned, so I'll just say "Yaoi Boys are Good Boys".
Next, this occured to me while re-reading the article:
God Hates Shrimp. Well, he does. Shrimp and all sorts of delightful things like women on their period. If you've ever eaten shrimp or been around a woman who's menstruating, you should be put to death.
Of course, if you're a Christian, you know perfectly well that those are the Mosaic laws, which, according to this one dude who was really big into the whole god thing, doesn't count anymore. He also said let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
Robbery's a sin, Gold, as is mayhem and extortion.
Let me conclude with what I have realised today, in this thread:


-I love that website.

Just what makes it wrong? We've already stated why its right. You tell us why its wrong.

Ok... so all gay people prove is they made up their mind to do something my body was not intended to do with people of the same sex, their excuse is its not illegal in their country. Does that make it moraly correct?

Wait, what?

I know what you're trying to say, but I'm hoping your joking.

Seriously.

The idea "don't kill people for no reason" is not a unique idea at all. It was there before any text. Otherwise, civilization would kinda not exist for things to be written down.

Wait...Kirbys gay? or did i read that all wrong?

For someone who was *****ing and moaning about how the way illegals are being treated in our nation, you sure do hate them gays.

What if one of the illegal immigrants in this nation is gay? Hmmm???

I hear he's from Texas.

And he doesn't have horns!

Combing my hair is not illegal in my country. Does that make it 'moraly' correct?

JG, mexicans can't be gay, golds gang won't allow it.

Stop trying to label everything as right and wrong. It just doesn't work.

Homosexuality is everywhere. It's in our country and it's in other cultures and it's in nature and it's been around forever and it's not going away any time soon. There is ONE thing that says it's wrong. Religion. There is simply no other arguement that can be made against homosexuality that doesn't come from religious beliefs.

This thread is pretty much over. Like so many threads on this forum, it's become SF_Gold vs. the rest of Massassi. I don't even know why we're arguing. SF_Gold has every right to dislike it, even if his reasons don't make the most sense. I've presented my arguements, and he's ignored them for the most part. Whatever. Trying to change people's mind is pointless. They believe what they want to believe. And I'll just let them.

Oh and why does is seem that Sf_gold has an uncle everywhere and doing every[one]thing?

Because he's god.

Which would put a lot of things in the world into perspective.

My opinion on his decision would not change. Religion, nationality, race, or whatever has no effect on my point of view of gays.

maybe he has a kinky grandma

Because they believe it is morally correct.

I have 12 uncles/aunts on my mothers side, and around 5-7 on my fathers. I've only mentioned 3 situations at most of 3 different ones.

[QUOTE=Vincent Valentine]This thread is pretty much over. Like so many threads on this forum, it's become SF_Gold vs. the rest of Massassi. I don't even know why we're arguing. SF_Gold has every right to dislike it, even if his reasons don't make the most sense. I've presented my arguements, and he's ignored them for the most part. Whatever. Trying to change people's mind is pointless. They believe what they want to believe. And I'll just let them.[/QUOTE]
I agree on the over part.