I just reinstalled JO today, and the servers are all almost empty. What the hell?! Everyone dishes out $50 for JO, and just beause it isn't as good as JK Raven makes more trash: JA. Everyone dishes out another $50 for this JO mod...and now JO is dieing. Before you all yell at me, I've played JO and JA, JA impresses me the same amout as JO. It has a few better features, it's a nice mod at most. JO wasn't a bad game by itself. Maybe it was a bad sequal, but as a game it was fun. Multiplayer was good too.

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I am a die hard Dark Forces fan, and I can safley say I was not at all compelled to buy JA, even after the demo.

For starters, they butchered the conc...

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[This message has been edited by Mystic0 (edited June 21, 2004).]

Difference is... JO multiplayer kinda sucked compared to JK and stuff... never bothered to get JA.

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Wheres Kedri with his bucket? Although, quite frankly, Im glad to see JO die, where I was holding onto JK like a drowning sailor onto a peice of oak.



Aye. The DF conc was a peice of art. All the reporductions are pure crap.

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I agree with you up until the part about the conc. I thought it was VASTLY improved. You have a total of about 8 shots with all ammo. I like that, it kills the issue of a spamable weapon, however, I think it's vastly overpowered.

I never bought the game, but I think eventually I'll look for it on a clearence rack so I can play the (hopefully good) SP levels that are being made and the (again, hopefully good) mods being made. If not, no major loss, it'll only have been 10 bucks or so.

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i'm sorry, but JO was one of the worst games i've played. Pointless puzzles, poor level design (it made the boxy JK levels look GOOD),a poorly-crafted storyline, and the multiplayer was like wading through a pool of glue (it was rediculously slow). The only redeeming quality this game had good assets (textures, models, ect)

JA was deffinately a step in the right direction, but Duel is the only worthwhile game-mode (the guns seemed a bit like they were just thrown in).

Bearing that in mind, i can't play either game online, as my comp doesn't have the power.... and someone stole my copy of JO 2 years ago. For innovative gameplay though, i'd have to go with JK on this one.

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Well, in Dark Forces, the conc was a sleek rifle looking thing that killed people by shooting blue flame type stuff up from their feet. But in JK, and even more so in JA, it was more of a "block".

I don't care about the new functions, because it is still ugly as hell. You take the Quake III engine, and make it look worse than it did in Dark Forces. Come on.

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[This message has been edited by Mystic0 (edited June 21, 2004).]

I enjoyed both JO and JA. JO has better single player but JA had better saber fights(despite the inbalance of single saber vs two/staff. same thing KotOR suffers from.)

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I played the demo again yesterday with the melee cheat. THAT was fun. I had a cultist and a dark jedi on a bridge at one point. The cultist started shooting at me and the dark jedi ran up behind him with sabers out. I beat the crap out of the cultist and then I just started at the dark jedi for literally a minute and a half. I was like he was afraid to touch me. Then he charged me, I beat up him up, and pushed him off the bridge. FUN.

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I didn't realise JO ever really approached anything close to 'alive'. If it ever did I must have blinked and missed it.

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And so history repeats itself.

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Well, ever since I got JA, I couldn't care less about JO anymore. JA is simply more fun to play because of modes like power duel and siege. Even thought siege is kinda buggy (some of the puzzles can get "lamed", breaking the level and forcing the attackers to lose) and some of the levels aren't as solid as JO's, the saber combat more than makes up for those short comings.

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JO has the best story and I think it's the most immersive. It will never die for me. I'm like a drowning sailor holding onto a piece of oak in the middle of a hurricane.

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I'd like to add - a boring saber system, horrible animations, awful voice acting, and the worst thing about this game; they took John William's music and butchered it in the most annoying fasion. It chops and cuts without any transitions whatsoever, repeats the same bits over and over and over again in the most annoying way, and takes only the most overused parts of the original triology soundtrack, ignoring the rest, and ignoring the fact that the episode 1 soundtrack was already out at the time. I'm sorry to all you hardcore JK fans who refuse to accept the truth and keep telling yourselves that Jedi Outcast is a decent game, but it simply isn't.

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Good. Let it die.

it had awesome multiplayer.

I don't give a damn if JO is dead or not, it never interested me as much as JK. Same with JA, nice game to play, but still... nothing compared to JK. I've never been interested in any multiplayer at all, so I couldn't give a damn about that either.

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They can all be used as instruments of time-killing as far as i'm concerned, I can play any of them.

Bleh, you people are far too fussy.

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I just beat JA last night and I must say that it was a huge improvement over JO. It may not be as true as JO, or whatever the nitpick of the week is, but I'm not elitist and it was a blast to play. I could spend hours just pulling and pushing people off of cliffs. I've enjoyed the entire Dark Forces / Jedi Knight series. Maybe I'm just easily amused. I know one thing though, most any game is fun when you have good friends to play them with.

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I never realised there's so much hate toward JO and JA among the older forum-goers here. It's kind of sad. To like JK doesn't mean you have to dislike the new games. They are quite different after all.

What comes to JO, it may very well be dying, because JA replaced it. Like SAJN_Master said, JA is but a little better version of JO, so it's only natural it replaced the older, less developed JO.

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Arrgh. Another thread about [insert name] doesn't like JO/JA with [his/her] easily predictable and overused reasons to seem like [he/she] has excellent and unique taste in gaming and wants to show us [his/her] ideas, which were already mentioned in numerous threads awhile back. I thank [insert same name] for the refreshing reminder of the same obvious and annoying reasons why people don't like JO/JA (again).

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[This message has been edited by Echoman (edited June 22, 2004).]

JO was definitely alive for ages. It depends what servers you go to. Now obviously its not so active, especially since JA replaced it (JA itself is becoming more inactive imo).

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There is no reason to play JO if you have JA. It's like playing UT2k3 when you have UT2k4.



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Long live JK.

I and my friend who also has JO didn't stay hooked on it for very long (my period was definitely shorter). Now in previous discussions, I may have sounded like I hated the game; that's not the idea I was trying to pass. I was trying to pass that it simply does not compare with JK and DF. I played a fraction of the first level and played MP bot battles in Bespin Streets, Nat Shaddaa, the Death Star, and the Massassi Temple; yup, that's as far as I went before I ended my visit to JO and resumed JK.

And I like JK's saber battles better -- so simple and easy to understand. JO's to me is like "Huh? We have strong weak and medium mode and each direction + action makes another new attack? Wtf? I'm so confused..." SBX is THE BEST sabering system in my opinion, and it's for JK .

So yeah, as far as I'm concerned, JO is dead.

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I won't shed any tears for the death of a game that took the life of a game I loved.

Wait, wait - I can see the saber system as being boring, it's just like JK's and not innovative. Horrible animations? Erm, not really...The game was hailed for having incredibly detailed and very smooth animations. Some animations became choppy in multiplayer, but that was a multiplayer engine issue, not an animation issue.

As for music, it's worth noting they didn't use the greatest parts of the soundtrack perhaps. But let me ask, why would they use Episode I music? It's not only kind of, bad compared to the original trilogy, but doesn't fit the era the game takes place it. I can't begin to imagine how lame it would be to go from the Imperial March to Duel of the Fates. And wait, no transistions? Erm, the dynamic music system is just like in any other game. One track fades out as another fades in. It's prerecorded music, they can't just magically start making up bars causing the music to perfectly mix together...

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[This message has been edited by Emon (edited June 22, 2004).]

Please, stop telling use that we are fanboys. JO / JA suck, regardless of how good DF / DF2 were. Besides, the series should never have left the title "Dark Forces". As soon as JO came out, the guns were overpowered, and the game seemed to scream, "I'm a licensed Star Wars product, buy me!!"*

*I think somebody else here first said something similar to this.

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Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but I think if you're going to dislike a game you should probably do it for real reasons, not immature nitpicking because it's fun to downgrade it even more. You see people talk about stupid little bugs and problems in JO, but nothing about the same kind of problems in JK.

Also, why's it a big deal for JA to be just a "modded JO"? The gameplay's a lot better in my opinion, much more polished and complete, something JO really lacked. Level design is much better; perhaps lacking really nice puzzles, but didn't have lame, unrealistic ones. Proper design led to some really nice looking locals too, although some still lacked (Coruscant agh!!) I can understand not wanting to pay a full price for it, but does that make the game itself any worse? Calling it just a mod seems like a pretty poor reason not to like it. Especially considering the weatlh of new engine features that would be completely impossible in a mod.

Edit: Just read the above post. Okay, just a question; does it really matter if it's not called Dark Forces? How does that affect the quality of the game? And just personally, I think the guns themselves are mostly lame and just suck, but not overpowered. I mean at least in JO and JA you can get kills with the lightsaber in a guns game, that was near impossible in a JK game.

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[This message has been edited by Emon (edited June 22, 2004).]

...personally the only gun that I didn't find horribly inferior to the lightsaber was the sniper rifle thingie. I loathed the rest.

Anyway I didn't hate JO, there was a lot to like. It was set back by some utterly horribly designed puzzles/areas and the complete and utter lack of NPCs, but still enjoyable to a certain level.


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I can honestly say that I enjoyed JO the first time I played it through. Yes, I noticed that it lacked a bit, but I didn't really pay attention to them as I was having fun with the new saber. The new saber system was spiffy. It took a little while to master, but once you did boy was saber battles fun.

The second time around I noticed the flaws moreso. Such as the wimpy guns that couldn't hit jack (I've got my crosshairs square on him, why the heck isn't he getting hit?). The voice acting also seemed a bit odd as well, not awful, but a little forced.

The game was fun the first one or two times around, but yea, it does get old. That doesn't mean it was absolutly horrible. The game ain't fun if you sit there and look for the flaws.

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Personally I found the saber horribly inferior to every weapon except the DEMP. But the DEMP is only in a levels so it can be ignored.

In multiplayer at least, a gunner who limits himself to any single gun (other than DEMP, i'm ignoring mines and thermals too) should always at least draw with a saberist. I kid you not, the lightsaber was a glowstick.

JK was never all that popular anyway I think. There were never more than ~600(Nar and Canyon full and Dark Palace partially full) people playing it online at any one point in time.

That and I find you'll hardly ever meet anyone online(obviously outside of massassi/TACC) who played JK multiplayer, and most people barely know what JK was. "That old star wars game with a lightsaber".

Fanboy.

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JK conc was the best...

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[This message has been edited by Trigger Happy Chewie (edited June 22, 2004).]

I think, though I'm not sure, that there was more than one Nar, Oasis, etc. Think for a second, how often did someone walk in that spoke spanish? Or any language other than english? The game was marketed to those countries, was it not? So, wouldn't those countries have their own servers? Sure, only about 600 in, lets call it the "English Nar". But if you factor in a possible "Spanish Nar" which could also have about 600 people in it, and then there could be others still. the numbers add up fast.

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Nice signature Cazor.

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