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Help me Massassi, you're my only hope!
2006-07-12, 5:17 PM #1
I'm stuck at this move; I can't see anything else I can do. Can someone please figure this out and explain the precise logic you used to do it? Thanks.
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"it is time to get a credit card to complete my financial independance" — Tibby, Aug. 2009
2006-07-12, 5:31 PM #2
guess.

Seriously, sometimes that's what you have to do. (which is why the hard level really sucks)

For the left corner, I'd probably try the far left question mark. For the middle section, I'd try the one immediately next to the 4, or the one below that one.
If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.

Lassev: I guess there was something captivating in savagery, because I liked it.
2006-07-12, 5:33 PM #3
No, I don't think you have to guess. Every board can be done exactly with the proper logic (I think). I trudged a little further along; here's the state of the board now.
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"it is time to get a credit card to complete my financial independance" — Tibby, Aug. 2009
2006-07-12, 5:36 PM #4
I think you made a mistake, the bottom middle, with the 1s, you had correctly not put the question mark below one of the 1s in the first pic, then you added it. That space should be safe.
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2006-07-12, 5:38 PM #5
also, on the left with the two 4's... The two far right ?'s should be bombs. The other two should be safe. Any other combination would make 5 bombs for the 4 on the right.

[nevermind. It could be the far left, on and the middle right one, also. I don't think there's any way to know for sure.]

so it's either:
(x = bomb, o = ok)

xoxo or xxoo
If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.

Lassev: I guess there was something captivating in savagery, because I liked it.
2006-07-12, 5:42 PM #6
which means the one on the right should be safe.

basically, if you assume the one on the far right is a bomb, it makes the 4 on the right satisfied, but it also makes it impossible to satisfy the 4 on the left, so the initial assumption must be wrong.
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2006-07-12, 5:45 PM #7
that's right, so free, open up that far right ? on the left block, and let's see what it looks like from there.
If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.

Lassev: I guess there was something captivating in savagery, because I liked it.
2006-07-12, 5:46 PM #8
Detty is a genius! Thanks! :D
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"it is time to get a credit card to complete my financial independance" — Tibby, Aug. 2009
2006-07-12, 5:50 PM #9
circled are bombs, explanation coming..

starting form the bottom right;
the 2 only has two choices, and the 1 next to it shares both of them, therefor the square directly under the middle 1 cannot be a bomb. Using the same logic, the left 1 now only has 2 squares that can contain the bomb, and the 2 to the left shares those squares, so the square under the 3 cannot be a bomb.
Now form the left end of that same block, there are three squares that can be taken for the remaining two bombs that the 4 requires. two of those spots can contain the last bomb for the bottom left 2, so leaving that as a 50-50, the top quare has to be a bomb. Work your way across the top and go from there.
$do || ! $do ; try
try: command not found
Ye Olde Galactic Empire Mission Editor (X-wing, TIE, XvT/BoP, XWA)
2006-07-12, 5:52 PM #10
Originally posted by Freelancer:
Detty is a genius! Thanks! :D

pssh. that was my logic!

(he just put 2 and 2 together)
If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.

Lassev: I guess there was something captivating in savagery, because I liked it.
2006-07-12, 5:53 PM #11
kere is one thing you can do...

|2|X|1| | | |1|
|_|3|2|1|1|2|X|
|_|_|_|_|_|_|3|
|_|_|_|_|_|_|2|

If you look beneith the 2112X pattern, you will see that the MUST be a mine below either the 2 or the 1 right next to the 2. That means that the space directly underneith the second 1 is safe.

so click on the *

|2|X|1| | | |1|
|_|3|2|1|1|2|X|
|_|_|_|*|_|_|3|
|_|_|_|_|_|_|2|

[Edit] Pishhh... Ive been beaten
"Well, if I am not drunk, I am mad, but I trust I can behave like a gentleman in either
condition."... G. K. Chesterton

“questions are a burden to others; answers a prison for oneself”
2006-07-12, 5:53 PM #12
Oh crap. I think I've just proven that sometimes you DO have to guess. Check out the circled region. :(
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"it is time to get a credit card to complete my financial independance" — Tibby, Aug. 2009
2006-07-12, 5:55 PM #13
yeh, hmm... I don't think you'll be able to puzzle that one out. (I'd pick the bottom one as the bomb, cause it spreads it more evenly... but who knows.)
If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.

Lassev: I guess there was something captivating in savagery, because I liked it.
2006-07-12, 5:55 PM #14
Originally posted by Freelancer:
Oh crap. I think I've just proven that sometimes you DO have to guess. Check out the circled region. :(

The majority of my games end in a 50-50 guess, and I tend to pick the wrong one :(
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Ye Olde Galactic Empire Mission Editor (X-wing, TIE, XvT/BoP, XWA)
2006-07-12, 5:57 PM #15
When I was really young, I thought the numbers didn't really mean anything.
SnailIracing:n(500tpostshpereline)pants
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2006-07-12, 5:58 PM #16
Everyone who actually plays regularly know about the left+right click ability, right? :P
$do || ! $do ; try
try: command not found
Ye Olde Galactic Empire Mission Editor (X-wing, TIE, XvT/BoP, XWA)
2006-07-12, 5:59 PM #17
well which one would you pick? that way free can pick the other.
If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.

Lassev: I guess there was something captivating in savagery, because I liked it.
2006-07-12, 6:01 PM #18
What does it do?
"it is time to get a credit card to complete my financial independance" — Tibby, Aug. 2009
2006-07-12, 6:01 PM #19
Originally posted by Darkjedibob:
Everyone who actually plays regularly know about the left+right click ability, right? :P

but of course.

[you right, and left click (at the same time) on a number, and if all the bombs are marked for that #, it automatically clears all the remaining spaces. (but be careful, cause if you flag a square as a bomb that's not one, it will cause you to lose. Also, if you use that on a # that does not have the appropriate # of bombs set, it will briefly highlight the surrounding squares, making it easier to see which squares are affected by that #]
If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.

Lassev: I guess there was something captivating in savagery, because I liked it.
2006-07-12, 6:04 PM #20
I'd probably click the top one.

DISCLAIMER: The poster of this message is not implying that the top one is actually the bomb, nor implying that the guess would be correct and the bottom one is the bomb. Poster is not responsible for the destruction of minesweeper team in third-world country
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Ye Olde Galactic Empire Mission Editor (X-wing, TIE, XvT/BoP, XWA)
2006-07-12, 6:04 PM #21
Well, it's the moment of truth.

hi or lo?
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"it is time to get a credit card to complete my financial independance" — Tibby, Aug. 2009
2006-07-12, 6:05 PM #22
I say, the high one!
SnailIracing:n(500tpostshpereline)pants
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2006-07-12, 6:09 PM #23
Echoman, I trusted you! :(
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"it is time to get a credit card to complete my financial independance" — Tibby, Aug. 2009
2006-07-12, 6:11 PM #24
Er...um...well, you didn't listen to me! Hah
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2006-07-12, 6:12 PM #25
You filthy stealth-post-editor! :mad: :ninja:
"it is time to get a credit card to complete my financial independance" — Tibby, Aug. 2009
2006-07-12, 6:22 PM #26
Sweet, I would've been right! :P
$do || ! $do ; try
try: command not found
Ye Olde Galactic Empire Mission Editor (X-wing, TIE, XvT/BoP, XWA)
2006-07-12, 6:26 PM #27
I never did learn how to play Minesweeper.
2006-07-12, 6:51 PM #28
Originally posted by Freelancer:
Echoman, I trusted you! :(

That is some ownage right there.

Someone slap "owned" on that image, spread it around, and we can all say we witnessed the making of it. :v:
Naked Feet are Happy Feet
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2006-07-12, 7:13 PM #29
Originally posted by Vegiemaster:
That is some ownage right there.

Someone slap "owned" on that image, spread it around, and we can all say we witnessed the making of it. :v:


Allready did that... Like 2 years ago... Posted it right here on these very forums. Got pruned though :(
"Well, if I am not drunk, I am mad, but I trust I can behave like a gentleman in either
condition."... G. K. Chesterton

“questions are a burden to others; answers a prison for oneself”
2006-07-12, 7:38 PM #30
(sorry about the colors, I had to keep the .bmp size under 512kb in order to do an online conversion to jpg, so I used 256 color)
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If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.

Lassev: I guess there was something captivating in savagery, because I liked it.
2006-07-12, 8:03 PM #31
Holy ****, 322 seconds... you, sir, are a god.
"it is time to get a credit card to complete my financial independance" — Tibby, Aug. 2009
2006-07-12, 8:03 PM #32
Originally posted by Sarn_Cadrill:
(sorry about the colors, I had to keep the .bmp size under 512kb in order to do an online conversion to jpg, so I used 256 color)


322? That's kind of long. :P
[This message has been edited. Deal with it.]
2006-07-12, 8:54 PM #33
lol, oddly enough, I think that may be the first time I've ever actually beaten expert.

I had to make about 3 or 4 moves that werent 100% confirmed, but I got lucky, I guess...
If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.

Lassev: I guess there was something captivating in savagery, because I liked it.
2006-07-12, 9:01 PM #34
322? God? I think not :P

My current Expert time is 120, but it was much lower before the score was reset (either from a format or hitting the reset button by accident :( )
$do || ! $do ; try
try: command not found
Ye Olde Galactic Empire Mission Editor (X-wing, TIE, XvT/BoP, XWA)
2006-07-12, 9:02 PM #35
I don't see myself getting less than 999 anytime soon. And luckily for me, the time caps at 999. I'd hate to see what it really is. :P What can I say? I like to take my time and think it through.
"it is time to get a credit card to complete my financial independance" — Tibby, Aug. 2009
2006-07-12, 9:06 PM #36
The new redone minesweeper makes it almost entertaining again, cause the mines all blow up when you screw up...
2006-07-12, 9:25 PM #37
Redone minesweeper? Show me.
DO NOT WANT.
2006-07-12, 9:32 PM #38
It got a completely graphical revamp with Vista, as well as sounds, lol... As did Solitaire, Freecell, Hearts, and Spider Solitaire...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Vista_minesweeper.jpg
2006-07-12, 9:47 PM #39
It doesn't have the smily face! I feel cheated. :(
DO NOT WANT.
2006-07-12, 9:51 PM #40
Indeed.

I DEMAND A SMILIE FACE!
I had a blog. It sucked.
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