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Methinks Prey just got blown out of the water
2006-07-19, 5:28 PM #1
http://media.pc.ign.com/media/842/842671/vids_1.html

Stupid Valve. First they master the FPS genre, now they're mastering current innovation on fps's. (yes that's debatable :P)
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2006-07-19, 5:28 PM #2
Very debatable.
D E A T H
2006-07-19, 5:37 PM #3
Saw this the other day. Completely amazing.
2006-07-19, 5:39 PM #4
That's pretty cool. Technically speaking it's nothing amazing (although the Valve fanboys will rave about it for months and months), but it's a pretty clever idea. I bet it's lifted from some 60's sci-fi.

I liked HL, and I liked HL2, but HL2 was just more of HL. There wasn't much new. Sure, the gravity gun, but it gets old. This will get old, too. Granted, everything does...but something like a sword and melee combat system that tightly integrated with a modern physics engine to provide limitless combinations of battles wouldn't get old too easy. It's within the current level of PC technology, but no one seems to want to program anything that cool. Imagine a JK game like that. Sigh.

/rant
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2006-07-19, 5:40 PM #5
That is freaking awesome.
Think while it's still legal.
2006-07-19, 5:47 PM #6
How is this different from Unreal Tournament transporter?
2006-07-19, 5:50 PM #7
[QUOTE=Squirrel King]How is this different from Unreal Tournament transporter?[/QUOTE]
Why would you even post something this stupid?
2006-07-19, 5:51 PM #8
generally though, i dont understand what makes prey so interesting, its another run of the mill FPS games, with teleporters and occasional anti-gravity sections, seems a bit gimmicky to me.
2006-07-19, 5:51 PM #9
That's possibly one of the coolest concepts I've ever seen. I'd pay 50 dollars for that demonstration right there. THAT'S no gimmick like that damn gravity gun.
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2006-07-19, 5:52 PM #10
Originally posted by Emon:
That's pretty cool. Technically speaking it's nothing amazing (although the Valve fanboys will rave about it for months and months), but it's a pretty clever idea. I bet it's lifted from some 60's sci-fi.


Nope. Valve saw the guys who made this and hired them to work on Portal. :P

2006-07-19, 5:57 PM #11
Thats amazing and would never get old for me.
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2006-07-19, 5:58 PM #12
That portal gun is pretty cool idea but the whole portal bit where you can see through it isn't really new. Quake 3 and Unreal Tournament both had the same technology. Elite Force also used the portal effect as camera displays.
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2006-07-19, 5:59 PM #13
The amazing part is the innovation that portals can be used for. Dropping portals after portals to accomplish different tasks would be immortally awesome. Think about all of the fun 2D puzzle games there are: A totally 3D one is simply perfect.
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2006-07-19, 6:04 PM #14
I love the bit how you can make a portal at your feet and then fall through and make another portal below, making you fall almost forever. Makes me wonder if all that falling would build up enough velocity to kill you if you stop making the portals and just land :)
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2006-07-19, 6:08 PM #15
Originally posted by JediKirby:
That's possibly one of the coolest concepts I've ever seen. I'd pay 50 dollars for that demonstration right there. THAT'S no gimmick like that damn gravity gun.

if you want to, before Valve bought it, there was this cool concept game called Narbacular Drop.
its pretty cool, cheesy, but cool.
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2006-07-19, 6:21 PM #16
[QUOTE=The Mega-ZZTer]Nope. Valve saw the guys who made this and hired them to work on Portal. :P[/QUOTE]
Oh...so basically they didn't create it themselves. Figures.
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2006-07-19, 6:24 PM #17
I like the voice. It's mean and creepy. "If at first you don't succeed, you fail. And the test will be terminated."
It's also set in the HL Universe, most likely in a US prison or military base before the Resonance Cascade and 7 Hour War.
Someone pointed something interesting out, along those lines. This game is all about teleportation, you even have a teleport gun. Someone else in the HL Universe has a teleport gun. And the initials formed by the name of said gun are A SHPD. Coincidence?

-Probably.
2006-07-19, 6:26 PM #18
Originally posted by Emon:
Oh...so basically they didn't create it themselves. Figures.

Just like everything else has that's "amazing".

"OMG PHYSICS"
-Havok 2
"OMG LIGHTING"
-Quake 1/2

Etc, etc.
D E A T H
2006-07-19, 6:26 PM #19
Originally posted by Emon:
Oh...so basically they didn't create it themselves. Figures.

Actually, since the guys now work for Valve... you could say that they did create it themselves.

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2006-07-19, 9:26 PM #20
[QUOTE=Dj Yoshi]Etc, etc.[/QUOTE]

"OMG FACIAL EXPRESSIONS AND ANIMATION"
-??
"OMG LEVEL DESIGN"
-??
"OMG GAMEPLAY"
-??
"OMG STORY"
-??
"OMG CHARACTER MODELS"
-??

(And, I hate to break it to you, but lighting isn't "great" unless properly used by the level designers, so that kind of is credited to Valve)
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2006-07-19, 9:39 PM #21
Plus, no one's busted out with any Valve-fanboyism. The concept is amazing, the demo is very cool. Doesn't matter where the original idea came from.
2006-07-19, 9:41 PM #22
Originally posted by Jarl:
And the initials formed by the name of said gun are A SHPD. Coincidence?

-Probably.


Whoa o.O. I dunno, now. That made me think, hahaha.

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2006-07-19, 9:43 PM #23
Originally posted by Wolfy:
"OMG FACIAL EXPRESSIONS AND ANIMATION"
-??
"OMG LEVEL DESIGN"
-??
"OMG GAMEPLAY"
-??
"OMG STORY"
-??
"OMG CHARACTER MODELS"
-??

(And, I hate to break it to you, but lighting isn't "great" unless properly used by the level designers, so that kind of is credited to Valve)

The story was originally somewhat of a rip off of DooM, if you look at it. But I was just talking about those, the textures (photoraping yay) and that's it. The level design wasn't fantastic, the gameplay wasn't fantastic, the story's nice, but not anything overly engaging, the facial expressions is neat but I think I remember them saying they got that from some other company, could be wrong, the animation is all motion capture, iirc.

But the difference between your post and my post is that most of your list would be more opinionated details.

I also hate to break it to you, but I was talking about things like visual effects, not how the levels look when lit.
D E A T H
2006-07-19, 9:56 PM #24
Dude, you've always favored Doom3 over Valve's stuff anyway, for some reason. You're just being biased >.>
2006-07-19, 10:09 PM #25
[QUOTE=Dj Yoshi]The story was originally somewhat of a rip off of DooM, if you look at it.[/quote]

Except for the characters like the G-Man and the Vortigaunts. While the story isn't the next NY Times bestseller, it still is a good story.

Quote:
...engaging, the facial expressions is neat but I think I remember them saying they got that from some other company, could be wrong, the animation is all motion capture, iirc.


Given that this article lists the facial expression system as properietary, it's likely that it was developed by Valve. And, even if it is all motion capture, the animation, combined with the facial expressions is still quite high-quality.

Quote:
I also hate to break it to you, but I was talking about things like visual effects, not how the levels look when lit.


Ha ha, wait. You think sequences like this are to the credit of Quake 1 & 2?
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2006-07-19, 10:13 PM #26
Valve makes amazing artwork, but the Source engine is still a pile of crap.

Many of us (and possibly but not necessarily myself) have seen the source code for it. It's Quake 1 plus Havok plus the 3D Studio MAX shader designer.
2006-07-19, 10:26 PM #27
I'm pretty sure the facial animation system was ripped from somewhere, you can actually download the basic utility I believe.
2006-07-19, 10:28 PM #28
"When we designed the Half-Life 2 facial system back in 2000..."
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2006-07-19, 10:33 PM #29
EDIT: WRONG THREAD.
Nothing to see here, move along.
2006-07-19, 10:34 PM #30
[QUOTE=Cool Matty]Dude, you've always favored Doom3 over Valve's stuff anyway, for some reason. You're just being biased >.>[/QUOTE]
No I haven't. I like Doom 3, but I don't "favor" it over HL2--as a total. Unfortunately 90% of the content comes from mods. Also, that was why I said "it's all opinion". I would have to be somewhat biased.
D E A T H
2006-07-19, 10:35 PM #31
Originally posted by Wolfy:
"When we designed the Half-Life 2 facial system back in 2000..."

They can legally say that. Technically they did. But that part of they got absorbed after they saw the software. Legally, they would not be bound to say "When blah blah blah made it".
D E A T H
2006-07-19, 10:51 PM #32
Get over yourselves. Nothing is ever original anymore. All companies steal ideas from other companies and give them major face-lifts. It's called REVERSE ENGINEERING.

Valve may have developed a facial expressions system but you can hardly credit them with the idea. The original source of facial animations is debatable, as Unreal Engine 1.5/2.0 seem to have a basic system but then again major animation companies have been doing it well before it caught on in games.

I'm looking forward to portals because it's been a while since I've played a good puzzler.

Originally posted by Emon:
something like a sword and melee combat system that tightly integrated with a modern physics engine to provide limitless combinations of battles wouldn't get old too easy. It's within the current level of PC technology, but no one seems to want to program anything that cool. Imagine a JK game like that. Sigh.


Unreal Championship 2 did a good job with sword/melee combat, especially with the unique character moves/attacks. Pity though it was restricted to the Xbox.
2006-07-19, 10:54 PM #33
Originally posted by CavEmaN:
Valve may have developed a facial expressions system but you can hardly credit them with the idea.


No one's saying that Valve came up with facial expressions in games. It's the implementation that's being debated.
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2006-07-19, 11:21 PM #34
Originally posted by Jarl:
I like the voice. It's mean and creepy. "If at first you don't succeed, you fail. And the test will be terminated."
It's also set in the HL Universe, most likely in a US prison or military base before the Resonance Cascade and 7 Hour War.
Someone pointed something interesting out, along those lines. This game is all about teleportation, you even have a teleport gun. Someone else in the HL Universe has a teleport gun. And the initials formed by the name of said gun are A SHPD. Coincidence?

-Probably.

Weeeeeeee! I hope he's just as much of a kickass marine this time around. Unless it all just turns out to be a sick joke by Valve...
2006-07-19, 11:26 PM #35
The design/look of the portal gun rocks, btw.
2006-07-19, 11:30 PM #36
What Valve did was take Paul Ekman's FACS software and implement it to work in their game. Yeah, they got the basic idea and algorithms from the professor, but they made it work (and quite well I think).

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Many of us (and possibly but not necessarily myself) have seen the source code for it. It's Quake 1 plus Havok plus the 3D Studio MAX shader designer.

You could say similar things about most moderm FPS games. I'm assuming the biggest ripoff that you're referring to is compiling maps in BSPS, which many other games like Quake 3/4 and Doom have done.

I will admit that modding the Source Engine, or even just mapping, can be a major pain in the ***. If I had a dollar every time I got a stupid or cryptic error in Hammer....
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2006-07-19, 11:33 PM #37
If the game's good, then I'll be happy.
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2006-07-19, 11:48 PM #38
Originally posted by saberopus:
Whoa o.O. I dunno, now. That made me think, hahaha.

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Fool!!! The letters "A SHPD" quite clearly mean: Adrian Shepherd, the main character of HL: Opposing Force.
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2006-07-20, 3:08 AM #39
It seems that along with Team Fortress 2, Episode 2 comes with Portal, omfqbbqwtf

i can't wait for Q4
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2006-07-20, 3:32 AM #40
Aren't portal engines like... so 1990?

How is this new?

(Other than being implemented in a totally awesome way...)
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