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Fahrenheit 9/11 (NON-Debate thread) Third Times A Charm
2004-06-26, 6:18 PM #1
Below is a few posts the way I'd like the thread to remain. Notice the lack of debate, please keep it this way. Thanks.

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Jaiph:
You know, I don't think SAJN is asking too much here. If you want to bash/praise Moore in general - use the other thread.</font>


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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Jaiph:
The movie isn't opening here in Australia for another month so I'll have to wait.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Dormouse:
IMDB has a pretty interesting rundown/review or whatever of the movie.
I have [not] seen this movie, it was [unseen], therefore [blue mink bifocals!].
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Connection Problem:
I enjoyed the movie thoroughly, but I wish there was more new content in it I hadn't already read/seen.</font>


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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Flexor:
I haven't seen it yet. I'm gonna wait till it comes out on VHS, but I definately want to see this movie.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Kieran Horn:
I haven't seen the movie yet.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by F-Body:
1. I didn't see the movie
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As for me, I saw this film today and it was good. This film entertained me, it was funny when it needed to be but serious for the most part. This film was very well made, more so then Bowling for Columbine in my opinion. So, has anyone else seen this film? I reccomend you all do.

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[This message has been edited by SAJN_Master (edited June 26, 2004).]
Think while it's still legal.
2004-06-26, 6:23 PM #2
off topic: *smacks the admins* This is why we need polls. Someone can post a question like "What did you think of Fahrenheit 9/11?" and have answers like "I loved it" "I hated it" "I'm not going to see it" and "Haven't seen it but plan to". That way SAJN can get his results without making 3 threads about it while the rest of us bicker. Everyone wins. [http://forums.massassi.net/html/smile.gif]

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2004-06-26, 6:30 PM #3
On topic: I would LOVE to see this movie, but unfortunately it's not being released in my area for some reason. Apparantly we have some really conservative theater owners.

Off topic: Really, why did you even waste your time creating this thread? It's going to turn into a meaningless debate, and it's going to piss the admins off that you made another one, after they closed your second one. Few people here can handle the complexities required by this thread. I.e. Not telling someone else they are an idiot, and just stating your opinion without telling someone else they are a dick for their's.

On a side note, stop trying.

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2004-06-26, 7:17 PM #4
On topic: I'm so-so on the movie. If it was on TV or something I would probably watch it, but I'm not going to goto the theaters and pay money to see it. It doesn't interest me THAT much.


Off topic: Why is this even so important for you, SAJN, to start 3 threads on this one issue? Is it really that big of a deal to you? What is even the point of discussing a movie if you can't debate why you do or do not like it - or counter other people?

To me - a meaningless thread would be people just stating if they like or did not like a movie. To make the thread interesting you need the debate to get both sides of reasons why people do and do not like it.

I don't know. To each his own - but this is getting pretty flipping stupid having 3 posts with the same titles just because they turn into debates.
2004-06-26, 7:39 PM #5
No more off topic, 100% on topic kthxbai.

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"Ever since I was a boy, I have always kept your laws, now I want to follow you and join you in your noble cause. Jesus turned to him and said, 'Sell all you have give to the poor.' Rich young ruler hung his head, not to follow, walked instead." - Vanishing Lesson
Think while it's still legal.
2004-06-26, 7:39 PM #6
I'm not sure I would mind watching this movie, simply due to the controversy. But due to some complications, I'm not sure I'll be able too. [http://forums.massassi.net/html/frown.gif]

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2004-06-26, 7:41 PM #7
Debate is good for the following reasons:

1) encourages critical thinking. You have to look deep into the warrants behind claims to effectively debate them, forcing you to learn the WHY of issues instead of just the WHAT.

2) More educational. It's most educational when both sides of an issue are presented and forces you to learn more about your side.

3) More fun. One sided discussions are boring, especially when discussing a controversial issue.

4) Provides a voice for the oppressed. Your discursive rejection of debate is the same mindset that justifies ignoring the oppressed minority. All you want is to hear YOUR side. If you let this idea of one sidedness work here, then it justifies one sided discussions in other areas such as civil rights.

5) Stop whining.
2004-06-26, 7:47 PM #8
Then this is going to be a really boring un-contriversial un-fun thread. Go to the other thread if you want a debate PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD.

Respect my wish for no debates here and just no...debates....here.

Back on topic.

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"Ever since I was a boy, I have always kept your laws, now I want to follow you and join you in your noble cause. Jesus turned to him and said, 'Sell all you have give to the poor.' Rich young ruler hung his head, not to follow, walked instead." - Vanishing Lesson
Think while it's still legal.
2004-06-26, 7:49 PM #9
Jedi Legend, he doesn't care about why you went or didn't go to see it. He just wants to know who did, isn't going to, is going to, or doesn't care about the movie. It's a poll.

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2004-06-26, 7:50 PM #10
"I haven't seen the movie and don't plan to, considering my opinion of Moore and what I've heard of the movie being incredibly one-sided."

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2004-06-26, 7:51 PM #11
I'm not going to see this movie just like I never watched Bowling for Columbine. Because I didn't buy into the hype and probably never will.

Also, stop trying man. Three times...eh...once is enough.

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2004-06-26, 7:53 PM #12
The abridged version of my post in the second iteration of this topic.

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">
I actually plan to see it at some point. This is one of the few movies released so far this year that has sparked my interest.</font>


If you want reasons, look at the other locked thread. I'd post the whole thing again, but it currently doesn't apply to this thread and I don't feel like rewriting it to make it apply.

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2004-06-26, 7:58 PM #13
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by SAJN_Master:
No more off topic, 100% on topic kthxbai.

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give up. JUST GIVE UP. hahahahahah.


/me laughs


you're funny SAJN.



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2004-06-26, 7:59 PM #14
As funny as SAJN isn't, opus, your post isn't that amusing itself.

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2004-06-26, 7:59 PM #15
11 - Haven't seen it.
2 - Seen it and enjoyed it.
5 - Want to see it.
3 - Not sure.
3 - Don't want to see it at all.

Keep it coming [http://forums.massassi.net/html/smile.gif] (Some people are in more then one category) Thanks to the people keeping the thread on topic, No thanks to the poor souls that are trying deliberatly to rip it apart. Lets try and be mature and keep this one on topic.

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"Ever since I was a boy, I have always kept your laws, now I want to follow you and join you in your noble cause. Jesus turned to him and said, 'Sell all you have give to the poor.' Rich young ruler hung his head, not to follow, walked instead." - Vanishing Lesson
Think while it's still legal.
2004-06-26, 8:48 PM #16
Have no want to see it.

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2004-06-26, 10:08 PM #17
I haven't seen it but I want to.

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If you can read this, you need better glasses.
Looks like we're not going down after all, so nevermind.
2004-06-27, 1:20 AM #18
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2004-06-27, 5:33 AM #19
14 - Haven't seen it.
2 - Seen it and enjoyed it.
6 - Want to see it.
3 - Not sure.
4 - Don't want to see it at all.

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"Ever since I was a boy, I have always kept your laws, now I want to follow you and join you in your noble cause. Jesus turned to him and said, 'Sell all you have give to the poor.' Rich young ruler hung his head, not to follow, walked instead." - Vanishing Lesson
Think while it's still legal.
2004-06-27, 5:55 AM #20
Seems that everyone who has seen it has enjoyed it. F9/11 was such a good film because this time Moore's evidence was just so concrete.
2004-06-27, 6:07 AM #21
I plan not to see it, out of respect for others in the theater. I don't imagine my outbursts will improve their viewing experience. [http://forums.massassi.net/html/tongue.gif]

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2004-06-27, 6:12 AM #22
On topic: I'm not going to pay to see this in a theater. I generally don't go watch too many comedies.

Off topic: Why does anyone feel the need to keep starting threads on this topic? It's like saying "Non-debate thread: Who are you going to vote for" or "Non-debate thread: Is God real?". It's silly to bring up a controversial subject and not expect a debate.

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2004-06-27, 6:30 AM #23
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Connection Problem:
Seems that everyone who has seen it has enjoyed it. F9/11 was such a good film because this time Moore's evidence was just so concrete.</font>


Moore has no concrete evidence. I have facts to back it up. He has taken many of his movie incidents out of context. The guy has shown himself incompetent in directly answering a question on live television. He is just another bash America because Bush has ruined it. He just kind of goes "well it isn't Bush" when he is reminded that Kerry backs many of the same ideas as Bush. Bush could have done this blah blah blah. He thinks he can predict the future.

I don't like the movie, but I will go see it when I can see it for free. I've already seen much of the movie for free in segments on news reports etc. Debate.
2004-06-27, 7:04 AM #24
Wait... hold on... am I reading correctly?


You haven't even SEEN the movie and you are saying that his evidence is not concrete? Excuse me while I go laugh in a dark corner for 8 hours.

In the whole movie Moore does not mention Kerry even once. He doesn't even discuss any of Bush's policies/ideas/platforms except the ones that affect war and poverty. Why? Because it is a documentary on the negative impact of George Bush. Nothing else. I'd love to see someone refute all the points Moore makes in the movie, because I have no idea how they would pull it off.
2004-06-27, 7:07 AM #25
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Connection Problem:
Wait... hold on... am I reading correctly?


You haven't even SEEN the movie and you are saying that his evidence is not concrete? Excuse me while I go laugh in a dark corner for 8 hours.

In the whole movie Moore does not mention Kerry even once. He doesn't even discuss any of Bush's policies/ideas/platforms except the ones that affect war and poverty. Why? Because it is a documentary on the negative impact of George Bush. Nothing else. I'd love to see someone refute all the points Moore makes in the movie, because I have no idea how they would pull it off.</font>


No, you aren't reading correctly, because you obviously can't focus enough to read or write a coherent sentence.

Moore mentions his support for voting Kerry on talk shows. Such as with Connan O'Brien. War and poverty have a heck of a lot to do with Bush's policies.

As for refuting Moore, easy for most of the film. Easier to just show how all of it is taken out of context or skewed to the point of falsehood.
2004-06-27, 7:23 AM #26
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by PnHobbit:
No, you aren't reading correctly, because you obviously can't focus enough to read or write a coherent sentence.</font>


I won't voice my opinion on the debate between you two, I'll just address this allegation. I read his post (which you quoted) several times in hopes of finding the incoherent sentence(s). I found no such thing. Could you tell me where it is? Unless of course it's similar to an Iraqi WMD in that you say you have solid proof of its existence, you just can't find it anywhere.
Looks like we're not going down after all, so nevermind.
2004-06-27, 7:31 AM #27
Are we discussing the movie or Michael Moore? I think the topic is Fahrenheit 9/11, not Michael Moore on "Conan O'Brien", or Fox News. I don't watch that garbage television anyways, so I wouldn't know his position on the vote.

You still haven't answered my first question. Why are you refuting the film if you haven't seen it?

I would change my mind regarding the accuracy/integrity of Moore's evidence, but not in your posts or any other articles I've scoured Google for have I found sufficient evidence to disprove Moore's claims in this recent film.

Time for lunch, and sorry SAJN for raping your third attempt. Maybe I'll start a new thread to carry this on.
2004-06-27, 7:37 AM #28
Well we all know that google is the best source for reliable information.
2004-06-27, 7:44 AM #29
Yeah, we do actually...

And you aren't really providing any better sources, so why bother posting?
2004-06-27, 7:48 AM #30
Because I can and it's fun teasing you guys.
2004-06-27, 8:56 AM #31
PnHobbit leave the thread.

Back on topic
Back on topic
Back on topic
Back on topic
Back on topic
Back on topic
Back on topic

PLEASE. Thanks.

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"Ever since I was a boy, I have always kept your laws, now I want to follow you and join you in your noble cause. Jesus turned to him and said, 'Sell all you have give to the poor.' Rich young ruler hung his head, not to follow, walked instead." - Vanishing Lesson
Think while it's still legal.
2004-06-27, 9:02 AM #32
so how about this weather?

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2004-06-27, 9:02 AM #33
It's a lovely day outside. My friend who was in Britain came back home today. I think I'll go for a drive.

The Empire would pwn the Borg!!!

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What once was...
2004-06-27, 9:03 AM #34
I have no plans to see Fahrenheit 9/11.

And the weather is almost nice... hopefully it's great tomorrow.

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2004-06-27, 9:03 AM #35
i dunno. a big cube > a big sphere.... hrmmm...

it's kinda rainy here now, so yay i dont have to work on the deck with my dad.

how is your friend, warlord?

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2004-06-27, 9:05 AM #36
NONE OF YOU ARE FUNNY! All of you are showing your lack of maturity. You are going out of your way just to ruin my threads, and it isn't funny or witty. It makes you all look like *******s.

BACK ON TOPIC PLEASE
BACK ON TOPIC PLEASE
BACK ON TOPIC PLEASE
BACK ON TOPIC PLEASE
BACK ON TOPIC PLEASE
BACK ON TOPIC PLEASE
BACK ON TOPIC PLEASE


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"Ever since I was a boy, I have always kept your laws, now I want to follow you and join you in your noble cause. Jesus turned to him and said, 'Sell all you have give to the poor.' Rich young ruler hung his head, not to follow, walked instead." - Vanishing Lesson

[This message has been edited by SAJN_Master (edited June 27, 2004).]
Think while it's still legal.
2004-06-27, 9:05 AM #37
she's fine. she had a bunch of pictures to show me, and she brought me a mug from the Tower of London.

The Death Star could shoot the Borg Cube with its superlaster!!!!111111

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What once was...
2004-06-27, 9:05 AM #38
The weather here sucks bad.
Its rainy and windy and cold, oh my =\

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2004-06-27, 9:06 AM #39
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Vincent Valentine:
"I haven't seen the movie and don't plan to, considering my opinion of Moore and what I've heard of the movie being incredibly one-sided."

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What Vin said.


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2004-06-27, 9:06 AM #40
oooh very true. if that thing can blow up planets, the cube would be like butter... a butter cube.

oooh! london! fun. i always wanted to go there.

oh yeah... and is she single? [http://forums.massassi.net/html/smile.gif]

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