Cute how they keep criticising conservative's use of the term "liberal spin."

The whole page on environmentalism was a sham, too.

I hate far left and right wingers.

What does this have to do with far left/right wings?

This owns

Sad thing is, it has (a hint of) truth to it. One of the reasons Bill Clinton was such a popular and good president was that he did things in a very conservative manner. His approach to making Welfare more effective was to cut many of the loopholes and decrease the time you could be on it. It worked.

But yeah, republicans are lamers.

[QUOTE=Dj Yoshi]republicans are lamers.[/QUOTE].

I was kidding, and you've shown some AWFULLY conservative views. A bit hypocritical there.

I actually know more intelligent, well educated republicans than I do democrats.

[QUOTE=Dj Yoshi]you've shown some AWFULLY conservative views. A bit hypocritical there.[/QUOTE]

Wrong. Having a few conservative views and hating the Republican party is probably the least hypocritical action there possibly is.

BTW, please point these views out to me, I'd like a good bellylaugh.

When the conservative views align you very closely to a Libertarianistic view (which is ridiculously similar to the republican party, minus the "RELIGION RELIGION DERKA DERKA" bull**** that's wormed its way into the neo-con party), it's fairly hypocritical.

Also, hating the Republican party is like hating black people. Seriously, it's stupid.

And I don't really care enough to start a huge flamewar and look up through your thousands of posts just to find one or two that show you have conservative views despite your "LIBERALISM LIBERALISM LOL" bull****. I just wanted to point out I was joking, I don't actually think badly of Republicans.

Anyways, I'm done.

I hate them both.

But I hate democrats significantly less.

[QUOTE=Dj Yoshi]When the conservative views align you very closely to a Libertarianistic view (which is ridiculously similar to the republican party, minus the "RELIGION RELIGION DERKA DERKA" bull**** that's wormed its way into the neo-con party), it's fairly hypocritical.

Also, hating the Republican party is like hating black people. Seriously, it's stupid.

And I don't really care enough to start a huge flamewar and look up through your thousands of posts just to find one or two that show you have conservative views despite your "LIBERALISM LIBERALISM LOL" bull****. I just wanted to point out I was joking, I don't actually think badly of Republicans.

Anyways, I'm done.[/QUOTE]


You seem to be mistaken. I'm like a libertarian along the social freedoms axis, but I couldn't be farther away from it on the economic freedom axis. I'm not a libertarian at all, I'm a socialist.

I'm in favor of kicking corporations squarely in the balls and kicking the rich squarely in the balls, too. Meanwhile giving the government the power to do it repeatedly should the need arise.

You're as socialist as I am black.

But it hurts no one but yourself until you realize this. So who cares.

lol, dude, you just can't admit you're wrong. I'm not a ****ing libertarian... you should thank your belssings I'm not a full-blown communist and just be happy with it.

you're not a communist?

this is communist massassi... get out of here you non-commie *******

I like how it equates 'patriotism' with 'conservatism'.

What a load of bull ****. I mean, really? Could they have packed more stereotypes into it? They're taking the issues of the far right - which, as far as I know, no single person actually holds all of - and applying it to the entire party, and greatly exageratting them in the process. This sort of crap is why the middle hates both sides.

I love how you guys take it so seriously. I mean what a load of bull ****. This is exactly the same reason why I hate extreme left and right wingers. It's why the middle hates both sides.

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Begun, the great thread war has...

Yoshi: The Republican party is quite far from being Libertarian.

Corporations and the rich are essential to having a good economy. It's symbiosis. The working class needs corporations to provide jobs, and the corporations need workers to function. Without one, the other would not be able to exist for long.

Also, I admire the rich because of what they had to do to get their money. (I'm talking about the self-made rich, not those who are in the lucky sperm club. People who inherit money are often cursed to a life of fear of losing everything because they likely never learned how to generate wealth themselves) Why should they be punished for being successful? By sticking it to the rich, we just end up with a nation of have-nots.

If the government can't even keep the roads around my house in decent working order, then it is utterly insane to entrust more responsibility to it. The left simply wants people to be dependent on government assistance because it gives the left power over the people that they are "helping". I can't stand it when I see people who think that the government exists to take care of them and that the world owes them something for some reason.

[QUOTE=Dj Yoshi]You're as socialist as I am black.

But it hurts no one but yourself until you realize this. So who cares.[/QUOTE]


Oh very well then.

That flash was kinda lame, especially when things flew out of the border.

God damn racist storm troopers, makes me sick really.

*snaps fingers*

We shall take care of this...and you all.

There is no "left" in American politics. There is only far right and even farther right.

And it's people like you who keep letting everyone else get ****ed over because you dream of someday becoming rich yourself and you don't want to shoot yourself in the foot. Yet what you people don't seem to understand is that a vast majority of you never will be, so by continuing to allow the rich to abuse us, you're actually shooting yourself in the foot right now.

Answer me this. Do you think that every person whom you deem rich, wakes up every day and things "how can I oppress or **** over the 'have-nots' in our society to make my paycheck grow larger and larger?" This is an honest question.

Because it seems to me that you think that every single person considered rich is an evil corporate tyrant hellbent on screwing the peasantry for their demonic pleasure.

This is just an observance.

At least I don't give up on being rich before I even try. There are plenty of ways of doing it without having to sell drugs or win the lottery. (delusions like that are what keep a lot of people poor in the first place, plus they automatically see themselves as employees of someone else instead of owners of their own corporation and act as such.)

You get rich by buying things that generate a positive cashflow. Anyone can do it, it just takes preparation.

Anyone can do it? Maybe. But can everyone do it? NO.

So you would condemn everyone to a system where nobody can (and is self defeating)?

Anyone can do it, but not everyone will because most people lack the patience to do it. People want to get rich RIGHT NOW without having to do anything, but it takes YEARS of hard work and dedication to build signifigant wealth.

That's because you were viewing the swf file. You can view the thing as big as you want which means you can see parts you wouldn't normally see if it were sized properly in a .html file.

Unions are more responsible for the downfall of the working class then the upper class is. Welcome to a Capatilist Democracy. Here's how it goes down (there are two scenerios):

Scenerio 1:
1. Union threaten to go on strike for higher wages.
2. Corporation grants higher wage and passes cost on to the consumer.
3. Consumer refuses to pay higher price and goes to competitor.
4. Corporation forced to go bankrupt, outsource, or hire illigals under the table.

Scenerio 2:
1. Unions petition the government to raise minimum wage.
2. Corporations pass cost of pay increses on to the consumers.
3. Inflation is created causing the value of the dollar to decrease and returning the working class "buying power" to what it was before the minimum wage increase.

Rage against the machine all you want, but the machine is going to win everytime. It's not the "Wealths" fault. It is because of how the economy is designed and the type of government that we have that governs it.

From a domestic prospective, Republicans are the best choice. In general, they seek long term permanant solutions to economic problems. While the Domocrats, in contrast, seek out "Quick Fixes" to solve economic problems now. Republicans want to convert our economy to purely Capitalism, where as Democrats would wheather convert our economy to a more Socialistic type. What we are left with is our current economy that exibits aspects of both types. We (as most 1st world countries are) have a Capitalist leaning Socialist economy. Like all Socialist Economies, it will eventually fail...as we are starting to see now. The outsourcing and inflations will only get worse. The ONLY way to stop it is to become a purely Capitalist economy OR a purely Communist economy. The world has never seen either (even though we 'claim' to be Captalist just as Russia 'claimed' to be Communist, both are/were Socialist).

[QUOTE=IRG SithLord]Yoshi: The Republican party is quite far from being Libertarian. :P[/QUOTE]
As far as the foreign and domestic policies, yes, but as far as economics...it's about the same, really.


Truth at last! :p


No, it's people like Rockefeller who do what you so retardedly painted. People like Pagewizard are the only thing keeping the economy going right now.

Seriously, the amount of new jobs is decreasing, the new enterprises are decreasing, and even those that pop up are .com's (which another bomb is expected around 2012--advertising can only do so much). We, as a country, as a people NEED more entrepeneuers who are ready to make more new businesses and jobs. What we don't need is the "capitalist pig" bull**** you're spouting.

Funny, though, I remember one time you agreed with Page on his economic policies.

But Page does have one thing wrong--he's painted democrats and the "left" as socialistic *******s who want to laze around and do nothing. The reason I consider myself a liberal is because I believe in things like free schooling and medicare, because privatization has shown to be way too expensive and inadequate (most private schools suck, but there are exceptions). I don't think the world "owes me anything". Stop being a stereotyping douchetard.


Fixed.

You forget that America doesn't have to rely on itself for labor or anything like that anymore. There could work out a scenario where all Americans were wealthy and upper classmen.

Would this work idealistically? No. But would your hurrtastic form of government (we'll call it "Socialism" for argument's sake)?

No.

The rich arent the people that work the hardest, they're the ones that kiss the most ***.

True story.

I think you're actually referring to Middle-Class White-Collar *** Kissers...

where did you get that idea?

The rich are the ones who invest or own corporations. (the uber-rich invest AND own corporations)

Free and fish are socialists right now. But I give them until they see their first real paycheck (real in the sense of "this is what I'll be earning for the next 5-10 years") and then they'll ***** on how much is taken out for taxes. It's all great and noble being for the poor and downtrodden--then you realize that you have to pay for utilities, rent/mortgage, car...

Let me clarify. Most CEOs work very, very hard. Im not discounting that, they (sometimes) derserve every penny they get.

Members of the board, upper management, middle management, etc, are all those that kiss the most ***. There may be some developmental jobs, creative jobs, etc, that this doesnt apply to, but the corporate world is a series of *** kissers that rise near the top by kissing more ***.

And I have a job, I get a paycheck, I pay for my car, my utilities, my room and board, everything except tuition here at Uni (Which I know is a big chunk of change, but I worked hard to fufil their requirements for them to pay for it). So don't give me that crap. Im fine spending 33% of what I barely make (It isnt much, trust me), because I know that if it doesnt help me, it helps someone else that needs it. And I'm OK with that.

(Or it goes to bomb some Iraqi who dialed a wrong number and contacted Hamas, and gets sent back to the stone age. But that's a whole nother issue.)

Don't forget the whole "everyone being rich is impossible" part. Cause if everyone was rich, the relative value of their money is pretty worthless causing inflation to skyrocket.

[QUOTE=Dj Yoshi]
Funny, though, I remember one time you agreed with Page on his economic policies.
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That's hilarious.

You obviously have mistaken me for someone else.

I've always maintained that Page sounds like an infomercial every time he opens his mouth and the subject is getting rich.