No, it's just that, unlike you apparently, I acknowledge the road I ride my bicycle on to get to work was built by the government. What the hell does it matter if I pay the government to build roads via taxes or I have to pay a toll to the private contractor who built it?

I never once claimed that I advocate abolishing taxes or some sort. Roads should not require upwards of 50% of income of the wealthy and some 35% (guess figure) of U.M.C. I will pay taxes towards roads as that benefits me and the entire City of Oceanside and State of California. I should not pay taxes on some guy whose great-great-great grandfather knock up some Sioux chick and now gets $$$ because some bleeding-heart picked up a history book.

Hahaha, nice.

The private contractor would probably do a better job on the grounds that private companies can work freely and are not bound by the same stupid regulations/red tape that government is.

For example, take public development. Under Wicke's Law, government projects must use several diferent contractors in order to encourage competition. This may sound great on paper but it is incredibly stupid in application, since different contractors DO NOT get along with each other on the same project and logistics are a nightmare. With this scenario, you can expect lots of cost overruns and general incompetence, which results in wasted tax dollars. I needen't go into the fact that governments are often required to use the lowest bidder. whoever thought of that forgot that you get what you pay for.

I won't even go into the obvilous fact that public works ar eessentially a monopoly managed by bureaucrats that have no accountability to taxpayers.

On the other hand, a private developer is much more likely to get the job finished on time and within budget or else they risk losing future contracts to competitors.

CEOs aren't the only people in the world who are rich. Like I've said before, my uncle is a very well-off self-made man. He started from nothing (not even having graduated high school), went into the military, then worked his way up from a fast food employee to owning his own construction business which has sold, now, over 20 houses each valuing from 180,000 dollars to over 300,000.

Not every rich person is some "capitalist CEO pig" who trods upon the lower class.

Also, JG said "what you're going to make for the next 5-10 years", not what you pay for food and gas for. Honestly, working at JC Pennies part time is not a real paycheck--I work fast food full time and even I acknowledge that it's sttill bull**** pay (only 400-500 every couple weeks). When you get your career you're going to see a quarter of your money, if not more, go to stupid **** like "No Child Left Behind" and the maintaining of all the wonderful departments that Bush has created. Then you're going to get "tax breaks" which end up being a grand, maybe, that the government gives back to you. And that only happens once every four years.

Most of your tax dollars go to stupid **** because the US Government is becoming bloated and inefficient.


But not everyone tries to become rich. Many people are happy with wealthy, and even more don't care enough to go past working class. You, and most other socialists, work under the assumption that capitalism means everyone tries to become rich. What you forget is that not everyone's going to try, and many who will try will fail and live a life of mediocrity working in some burger joint on K street.

Seriously, you make assumptions about the way people live instead of observations.


Derka derka derka.

Seriously, no one ever said "don't pay taxes", just that there's no need to pay for Rico Suave's (yeah, I know) welfare check, a person who doesn't even live in America getting money from our goveernment. Nor is there any reason to pay Billy Bob Smith's child support for 5 children while he's in jail, etc etc etc.

There's a LOT of stupid **** your tax money goes to--I'm definitely an advocater of some government sponsored/ran programs, but there's a line to draw at some point.

PS--as an aside, governments have to hire contractors to do jobs such as make roads and whatnot. Sometimes, yeah, they use inside men, but often times they just hire some company and have them do the job. So where do your tax dollars go? Instead of paying the contractor directly you pay for stupid committees, meetings, you pay a multitude of people just so they can spend your money for you. Also, most toll booths are made and run by the government.

Great, you can't beat my argument so you attack me.

I'm not attempting to sound like an informercial, because I'm not selling anything. Lots of people make it in real estate and business, my point is that there's really nothing stopping you from doing it.

Hey guys, guess how many pairs of pants I'm wearing? None. LOL.

[QUOTE=Dj Yoshi]Most of your tax dollars go to stupid **** because the US Government is becoming bloated and inefficient.[/quote]Now that I can agree with.
You don't need to tell me that. I'm one of them.

[QUOTE=Dj Yoshi]

PS--as an aside, governments have to hire contractors to do jobs such as make roads and whatnot. Sometimes, yeah, they use inside men, but often times they just hire some company and have them do the job. So where do your tax dollars go? Instead of paying the contractor directly you pay for stupid committees, meetings, you pay a multitude of people just so they can spend your money for you. Also, most toll booths are made and run by the government.[/QUOTE]


It would be better to pay the contractor directly.

I propose a situation where the government subsidizes road maintenance to a private contractor as a government contract that has to be renewed every year or two. (after having my aforementioned regulations such as wickes law declared null and void) The government provides the funding (that way, the roads will still be free to use and will not become toll roads overnight) and the company will be able to oversee maintenance as it sees fit without having the government interfere. If the company does a good job, then the contract gets renewed, otherwise someone else gets the job the next time the contract is up for bid.


I personally feel that every government servce should be handled this way. Government service is not renowned for its efficiency or quality, so it onl,y makes sense to outsource it. It can still be paid for with tax money, but this way you get more bang for your buck.

Then why do you try to disprove capitalist theory while being your own argument against yourself?

It's quite possible to have an efficient government.
And it's also quite possible to choose sane things to spend money on.

Instead of blowing a bunch of craters in the desert and shooting some brown-skinned people up, we could house our homeless. Or instead of throwing inordinate amounts of money at "education," we could create a far more effective education system for a fraction of the cost.

My point is, some things that are beneficial just aren't lucrative. Housing the homeless: not exactly something a corporation would have a part of.

Oh my god. Are you insane or something?

Corporations make donations to housing the homeless (or as we know them homeless shelters) all the time. They also make donations to cancer research, AIDS research, and charities. Bill Gates alone makes a huge chunk of the donations out of our nation to charities around the world.

Besides that, questing to housing the homeless is pointless. There's always gonna be homeless people--most of them are homeless because they're drug addicts or because they made stupid decisions in life. Not every homeless person just up and became homeless.

Christ, I'm liberal and even I know that argument is "hurr"tastic.

Why kick the rich squarely in the balls?
I hate the type wanting the gov't to hand out everything to them on a platter while they sit in a high chair complaining about what they got. Maybe if they
(1) find a job
(2) save their $, invest!
(3) over time therefore become wealthy financially.
(4) stop having ugly children!
Don't be inadmittably jealous at any people who have reached the "American Dream" based on a couple of bad rich eggs and their selfishness...

What they do with their $ is very questionable...

I say wealth comes in more than just the form of money. As long as one is contempt with their life what else matters?

As for taxes I'm for lowering taxes for small and private businesses!

Today I saw a political ad with a lot of fluff and basically said,
I'm for education, my opponent is not
therefore vote for me

[QUOTE=Dj Yoshi]Besides that, questing to housing the homeless is pointless. There's always gonna be homeless people--most of them are homeless because they're drug addicts or because they made stupid decisions in life. Not every homeless person just up and became homeless.[/QUOTE]
I'm reminded of a story.

Once upon a time there was a wise man who used to go to the ocean to do his writing.
He had a habit of walking on the beach before he began his work.
One day he was walking along the shore. As he looked down the beach, he saw a human figure moving like a dancer.
He smiled to himself to think of someone who would dance to the day. So he began to walk fasterto catch up.
As he got closer, he saw that it was a young man and the young man wasn't dancing,
but instead he was reaching down to the shore, picking up something and very gently throwing it into the ocean.
As he got closer he called out,"Good morning! What are you doing?"

The young man paused, looked up and replied, "Throwing starfish in the ocean."

"I guess I should have asked, why are you throwing starfish in the ocean?"

"The sun is up and the tide is going out. And if I don't throw them in they'll die."

"But, young man, don't you realize that there are miles and miles of beach and starfish all along it.
You can't possibly make a difference!"

The young man listened politely. Then bent down, picked up another starfish and threw it into the sea, past the breaking waves and said,


"It made a difference for that one."

- author unknown

Which is why I'm not advocating the abolishment of programs to help, but instead am saying it's pointless to take away our military (which houses and employs millions of people) nor our space efforts (same deal) or any other (important) government program and put the money towards saving the homeless.

It'd be unemploying millions so you could "help unemployment".

The story, unfortunately, doesn't apply here.

Actually, some local governments do just that. Not so much with construction work (yet), but with other non-essential services utilized by the Police Department such as Towing, Gas/Fuel Contracts, etc. Just thought you might like to know...