So I need a new computer and was thinking about Apple's new MacBook Pro. They seem like awesome machines, but I might hold off until they replace it with the core 2 Duo. I wish the regular MacBooks werent SO much worse than them, as the Pros are Pricey.

Anyone have any MacBook Pro experience or suggestions?

A Pc.

[QUOTE=Unknown User]I wish the regular MacBooks werent SO much worse than them[/QUOTE]

Que? I've had my MacBook since late May / early June, and no problems yet.

MacBooks aren't SO much worse.

NO.


NO..


NO.

NO DIN DIN FOR YOU. BAD DOG.

Straight to bed with you!

Im on a macbook pro now, it's an amazing machine.

Posts like these are not welcome

[QUOTE=Dj Yoshi]MacBooks aren't SO much worse.[/QUOTE]

I dont mean it like that.

The graphics card in the Pro as well as other capabilities and specs are just much different from the MacBook.

I do lots of editing so I kind of have to go with the Pro

I've only seen the pros in shops - but having played with a mate's macbook, I must say it was pretty damn impressive. It's a shame there is such a void in price between the pros and the macbooks.

[QUOTE=Unknown User]I dont mean it like that.

The graphics card in the Pro as well as other capabilities and specs are just much different from the MacBook.

I do lots of editing so I kind of have to go with the Pro[/QUOTE]
Not really, but justify it however you want.

Apples basically ARE PCs today. They just run OS X by default.

[QUOTE=Dj Yoshi]Not really, but justify it however you want.[/QUOTE]


Yoshi, for F's sake, why do you always have to ensure that every thread turns into a big argumentative mess. Yes, really, I know what im talking about

[QUOTE=Unknown User]Yoshi, for F's sake, why do you always have to ensure that every thread turns into a big argumentative mess. Yes, really, I know what im talking about[/QUOTE]
No, really, you don't. I know the MB's and the MBP's pretty thoroughly--for a while I was heavily considering getting one. You don't "need" to go with the MBP's unless you plan on doing heavy gaming--in which case there's probably better solutions out there for the money.

MacBooks aren't really that much worse than the pros. Especially not for, oh, 1000 dollars or more under the price.

It has nothing to do with starting an argument and everything to do with ousting stupidity like yours.

I have a MacBook Pro. It is nice. I use it for music editing and I can run up to 48 instances of different songs with full plug-in effects with no noticeable slow-down.

[QUOTE=Dj Yoshi]No, really, you don't. I know the MB's and the MBP's pretty thoroughly--for a while I was heavily considering getting one. You don't "need" to go with the MBP's unless you plan on doing heavy gaming--in which case there's probably better solutions out there for the money.

MacBooks aren't really that much worse than the pros. Especially not for, oh, 1000 dollars or more under the price.

It has nothing to do with starting an argument and everything to do with ousting stupidity like yours.[/QUOTE]

Yes, really I do. I work for Apple. I sell both MacBooks all day for a living. Go find another thread to piss on, or better yet, another forum.

Which editing software do you use? I ve been using Garageband but just started with Lgogic Express.

[QUOTE=Unknown User]Yes, really I do. I work for Apple. I sell both MacBooks all day for a living. Go find another thread to piss on, or better yet, another forum.[/QUOTE]
Oooh. You work for apple. I'm so impressed.

Oh wait, I'm not.

Generally, the worst source of knowledge on Apple products is from Apple employees. See: Temp, Anakin.

Honestly, the MBP's are NOT that much worse than the MB's. It has nothing to do with "working for apple" and everything to do with understanding the underlying technology. MBP's, in the end, are only superior (technologically) in their graphics, and a slight bit in their processor. While video editing can somewhat benefit from graphics, you see most of it in the processors, especially since even the MBP gets only an X1600 Pro at best (if memory serves).

Now, the Intel GMA950 integrated graphics solution is...well it's horrendous for gaming, really. But like I said earlier, the biggest benefit are the processors. So the Core Duo solutions you see in Macbooks AND Macbook Pros are where you'll get the biggest benefit from.

That said, doing editing on ANY laptop is just plain stupid--a pc of a lesser cost than either the MB or the MBP will give you infinitely better results.

I'm not crapping on this thread, I'm trying to rid it of your ignorance.


Edit: You're talking about music editing? Then the graphics are even LESS important (actually not at all really), and garageband is horrendous. To edit music you'd be better off getting one, dual booting into windows, and using one of the better programs on there. Fruity Loops, Acid, Reason, etc etc.

[QUOTE=Dj Yoshi]Oooh. You work for apple. I'm so impressed.

Oh wait, I'm not.

Generally, the worst source of knowledge on Apple products is from Apple employees. See: Temp, Anakin.
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First off, when you just attack people, you come off as an idiot and an assh*le.

Second off, How are you going to video edit on the can if you have a desktop? Huh?

I'll expect your apology in the mail.

Damn...I totally forgot about that.

Apology sent.

[QUOTE=Dj Yoshi]You're talking about music editing? Then the graphics are even LESS important (actually not at all really), and garageband is horrendous. To edit music you'd be better off getting one, dual booting into windows, and using one of the better programs on there. Fruity Loops, Acid, Reason, etc etc.[/QUOTE]
Garageband is GREAT for composing, and is FAR from horrendous.

But my opinion to you is null and void since I'm a fanboy of everything.

No your opinion is null and void because you said Garageband is great for composing.

Seriously, use anything else for 10 seconds and you'll realize how much that **** sucks.

Your opinion is wrong because it is incorrect.

I think we're going in ciiiiiiiiiiiiiiirclesssssss.

Why are you so [edit] bent on making every thread a chance to prove how right you are.

I am considering a new MacBook laptop and am looking for peoples ideas and opinions on them, and whether or not its a good invesment.

Why dont you sit this one out Yoshi, and take a break from 'ridding it of ignorance' since we already know we cant count on that for every other thread you jump into.

[QUOTE=Dj Yoshi]No your opinion is null and void because you said Garageband is great for composing.

Seriously, use anything else for 10 seconds and you'll realize how much that **** sucks.[/QUOTE]
This isn't a real argument. Don't take it personally. I'm just ridding you of your ignorance. If you claim someone is wrong, generally you need to support your claim with reasoning.

"Seriously, use anything else for ten seconds" isn't proper reasoning.

[QUOTE=Unknown User]Why are you so kcufing bent on making every thread a chance to prove how right you are.

I am considering a new MacBook laptop and am looking for peoples ideas and opinions on them, and whether or not its a good invesment.

Why dont you sit this one out Yoshi, and take a break from 'ridding it of ignorance' since we already know we cant count on that for every other thread you jump into.[/QUOTE]
I'm not sitting this one out because you "looked for people's opinions" yet the minute I say anything to the contrary you immediately disregard my opinion. You're just looking for people to tell you it's a good investment.

For your uses, it's not. It has nothing to do with "how right I am" and everything to do with trying to teach you just why the MacBook non-pro is STILL an excellent investment for YOUR purposes. However, you decided to take up arms and insult me numerous times, so I decided to not be so nice about it.


It wasn't meant to be a real argument--it was an aside. I've used Fruity Loops extensively, and have used Garage Band a bit. Garage Band doesn't have NEARLY enough customization options, you're (mostly) stuck to using ****ty loops, and there's nothing like the plugins that Fruity Loops and other music editors have. And that's what makes or breaks a lot of them--the plugins. Some of the most amazing things I've heard come from Fruity Loops has been from different things that people picked up along the way.

You obviously don't know anything about the subject and you're just trying to make a jab at me. Guess what, mission failed.

[QUOTE=Dj Yoshi]It wasn't meant to be a real argument--it was an aside. I've used Fruity Loops extensively, and have used Garage Band a bit. Garage Band doesn't have NEARLY enough customization options, you're (mostly) stuck to using ****ty loops, and there's nothing like the plugins that Fruity Loops and other music editors have. And that's what makes or breaks a lot of them--the plugins. Some of the most amazing things I've heard come from Fruity Loops has been from different things that people picked up along the way.

You obviously don't know anything about the subject and you're just trying to make a jab at me. Guess what, mission failed.[/QUOTE]
There ARE plug-ins. Quite a lot of them actually. You just have to find them. And no, you're not "mostly" stuck to using loops. You can make your own instruments and compose note by note any way you like. Either way, comparing GarageBand to Fruity Loops is HARDLY fair. Fruity Loops borders on a professional grade tool from what I've seen, where as GarageBand is an entry level tool. If you want to compare Fruity Loops to something, try comparing it to Logic Pro or Soundtrack.

Seriously, the immediate impression I'm getting here is that you stuck your head into GarageBand for 30 minutes, decided it was crap, and never went back.

Buy a Macbook Pro, they will last longer, do more, and the backlit keyboard is just sweet, i am currently typing this in the dark on my MBP17", you should know by working for Apple too that the MBPro's are better machines in the long run and better for the majority of customers who dont want a desktop but want a laptop for the same power, also working for apple you should know that the Core2's wont be going into the laptops anytime soon due to heat/power issues.

There are a few plugins, yes. Are they anywhere near what Fruity Loops has to offer? God no.

Considering the "professional grade tool" of Fruity Loops is used for...wait...is that MUSIC EDITING? Oh my god. Considering that, I think it's perfectly fair to make the comparison. It's like saying "You can't compare the innate windows tool to burn CD's to Nero!" Yes, you can. Would it be obvious, then, that the windows CD burning tool is useless? Yes, it would.

I think you know where I'm going with this.

Your immediate impression, as always, is wrong. I was excited about Garageband--heard it was easier to pick up than FL and FL at the time was vastly alien to me. After I started using it, though, I realized just how limited and crappy it really was.

Go for Fruity Loops, it's only 100 bucks for the "professional edition", and I'm sure there's a student edition for a LOT less.


Wow, that doesn't sound like a product pitch to me at all!

Oh, wait, it is, because your entire life is devoted to your stupid company.

Backlit keyboards. OH MAN, GOTTA HAVE ONE! "Last longer", "Do more", oh, snap, those are such great features, and not bs statements at all!

Are they better as desktop replacements? Well...duh. Any 2500 dollar machine compared to a 1000-1400 dollar machine is going to be a better desktop replacement (or at least I ****ing hope so). Are they "better" just because they cost more? No. The same components are used in them, the same everything actually (except screens and cases and GPU's obviously) as in the MacBooks. Quit it with your stupid propaganda bull****.




EDIT: Sorry, it's 150 for the Producer Edition, 100 for the regular (fruity) edition, and 50 for the express edition. Then the plugins from FL come as more, but there's a lot of user-made plugins so I wouldn't bother buying them until you know you can use them. Spend the extra money you saved from not wasting it all on your MBP on it, or you can grovel in poverty and end up with an overpowered machine. Your choice.

[QUOTE=Dj Yoshi]There are a few plugins, yes. Are they anywhere near what Fruity Loops has to offer? God no.

Considering the "professional grade tool" of Fruity Loops is used for...wait...is that MUSIC EDITING? Oh my god. Considering that, I think it's perfectly fair to make the comparison. It's like saying "You can't compare the innate windows tool to burn CD's to Nero!" Yes, you can. Would it be obvious, then, that the windows CD burning tool is useless? Yes, it would.

I think you know where I'm going with this.
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Yeah, I do. And I still think you're wrong. If you're going to compare Fruity Loops to something, compare it to something that has an EQUIVALENT feature set. And to me, Logic or Soundtrack is MORE like Fruity Loops than GarageBand is.

What you're doing is comparing something like the built in Windows Sound Recorder to Goldwave, or Notepad to Word. They do the same thing, yes, and many times equally well, but one has a much broader feature set, thereby making a comparison between the two not really fair.

Ok ok ok ok everyone STOP!

Obviously we're going nowhere with the argument so just quit.

Except it IS fair. It's aimed at the same group, one just does a lot more. And that's my entire point with what I'm saying. Might as well dual boot into Windows and get something that'll do much much better and much much more.

It's the same way that, a couple years ago, I would've readily reccommended macs to any graphic designers (then again, if you're a graphic designer using a PC...well...), and would've reccommended Illustrator over Flash for art, or even Photoshop over Paintshop.

Fruity Loops and Garage Band have the same purpose--one's just for casual musicmakers who like to tinker around with it and the other's for people who seriously do music. If the man's spending REAL money on this just for the sake of editing music, then don't you think he should spend REAL money on the tool which is of professional grade? Drop 2500 dollars on a laptop to use some rinky-dink little program instead of getting an extra hundred or so to use a professional grade program? How does that make sense?

And as usual, Yoshi runs a perfectly good position into the ground by being himself.


Anyway, Thoes Macbook Pros look nice, but I really don't see the specs being worth the it, when you consider you can get a PC with the same or better specs for 1000$ less.

Shame too, because they look like really ncie machines. If only I were rich...

And as usual, Obi positions himself on the high horse, then spreads stupid PC propaganda, which isn't true.

You can't get a (much) better PC laptop for that much, and even if you could Apple has quite a few features to their laptops which usually makes them worthy over the competition (like the screens).

I. SAID. STOP.

All of you!

Will there still be pie after the thread is over?

I don't see why not.

Hee hee. I want to troll, but I tihnk it'd get me banned.

I really like Asus's Lap top line up. I'm think of picking up one my self. BTW, does anyone know how hot mac books get?

Asus' laptop line is mediocre at best. According to every review I've read they say they're overpriced, underpowered, and short on battery life.

I have a new battery courtesy of Sony. My little powerbook will top 4 hours of battery life if I'm just word processing or using excel etc.

I had this very same discussion with a colleague but about the mac mini - the newer base level mini is now very much good value for money compared to when it was single-core - especially considering he's got a shibby monitor waiting for it.

The base models are pretty damn good.