Yes. Yes, that's exactly what it means. Nancy Pelosi actually mentioned that in her acceptance speech, right after the part where she said you make no sense at all.

Actually, the speech was about how he has downs that the mind of an already retarded hamster.

Maybe after four years of democrats ruling and raising everyones taxes and giving free things to lazy people our economy will turn downwards and everyone will realize things weren't really so bad. Here in Michigan, our economy is in the crapper but the Democratic leaders (who are worthless, and I'm not even being biased here) were reelected because "all republicans support George bush's warmongering"

Raising taxes is always a bad thing!

The governemnt doesn't need money to run! The value of a dollar is always the same!

Inflation doesn't exist!

Or maybe, just maybe, the conservative government was ALREADY doing this, not to mention passing ridiculously invasive and overly big brother-esque laws, and maybe, just maybe, when people stop having their rights getting butt****ed they'll realize just how absolutely horrible the government we had was.

[QUOTE=Dj Yoshi]
No, it's a fact.[/quote]

No, its an opinion.

[quote=Dj Yoshi]
Not really.[/quote]

ya rly.

[quote=Dj Yoshi]
If it's a joke, it's a bad one, and in horrible taste.[/quote]

But it is, for the most part true... not that judges literally say "the woman gets it all just cus she's the woman," But more often than not, the man is on the short end of the stick. Trust me, I hear about it every time I talk to my dad, and havent heard much evidence to the contrary.




My view on the matter is this... At first, years ago, when the gay marriage thing was becoming an issue, I was against it just because the idea of a man marrying a man, or woman/woman didnt seem right to me. I didn't put a lot of thought into it, mind you, but when pressed on the issue in a couple of classes, I found I had no good argument against gay marriage. Unlike many people around here, when I find I have no good argument against something, I'll change my stance.



I kind of enjoy being the bad guy. However, in this instance, I said from the get go that I dont oppose gay marriage. I dont push for it either. Its just not my issue. Let them get married, dont let them, no skin off my back. All I was getting in to was whether or not a certain argument could theoretically be presented, and what is an actual "fact" vs an opinion.



Not really "others'" so much as just yours... going into my post, guns blazing, retorting by saying things like my stuff is bigoted and chauvinistic, like I should give a damn. Politically correct is not something I seek to be. If you dont think there is racial or gender or orientation bias within the system of government, you're naive. If you cant handle a joke about such things, cry me a friggin river.



Whoever the hell that is.

Terrorists win

j/k lolz

Eh, it was either the Dems raising taxes or the Republicans driving us into one kind of crisis or another by increasing spending without raising taxes. At least I can count on most of the Dems not to pull me out of my house in the middle of the night and waterboard me to their hearts' content.

Nah, fact. But that's besides the point, since your opinion is wrong anyways.


Uh, I've seen TONS of cases to the contrary. That's just ignorance incarnate in your statement. The rights of everything goes to the person that got the short end of the stick in the relationship--the person who DIDN'T break the prenup, custody goes to the person who has the best interest of the child at heart and offers the best environment, etc.


Oh, it has nothing to do with being PC, but coming off as a well thought-out, intelligent person. I'm about as anti-PC as it gets, but some things just go too far.

And you DO always try to find some way to insult your opponent, it's not just me I've noticed. Continue to delude yourself however you wish though. I guess I'll just continue being my "little person" democrat self, right?

lol, that whole little person thing came out of Family Guy. I'd forgotten where I'd heard it. Peter said it, but it wasnt in reference to democrats though, it was something else that wasnt midgets.

Free things to lazy people? You really are arrogant.

I receive 600 dollars a month from the government because I can't work at McDonalds like most americans. I'm unable to provide for myself. I'm far from lazy. In order for me to make money, I have to have an education and training. I can't just get up and lift furniture for your business. I have to go to school and get a job in a competative marketplace. I can't just sign up for any old laborer's job, you arrogant prick. You have no ****ing clue what you're talking about. Do you think I like living out of the man's pocket? Most people DON'T. A majority of people on welfare are trying to get OFF of welfare. A majority of people on welfare aren't the people YOU think they are. They're people who were injured on a job, victims of rape that can't care for their children due to mental disabilities (And probably the reason they were raped), and people who didn't grow up in middle class white suburbia. **** you and your economy. People aren't numbers, nor are they thing you can put a price on. If we can spend billions of our future's dollars on some ****ing war that has no pertinence to ourselves, then we can pay for the people who are a part of our goddamn nation.

And apparently, the people who grew up with money and inhereted their father's company get free government services, eh? Their taxes are less, because you know, they're not as lazy. They sit in their ranches while their stock broker trades for them. They work hard for the money the were born with. THOSE are the "lazy people" that get handouts from YOURS AND MY wallets. Every time they use a public road, stop at or run a red light, see at night via streetlamps, use a water fountain, or sit on a bench, they're doing it for probably half, if not 1/3rd as much as you and I are. **** you and your commentary on **** you've got no clue about.

**** you. Get some perspective on life and try to tell me that our government hands money out to lazy people. ****er.

I'm pretty sure 'f*** you' and calling him a 'f***er' just made your post worthless.

[QUOTE=Victor Van Dort]I'm pretty sure 'f*** you' and calling him a 'f***er' just made your post worthless.[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure it was an expression of anger at an ignorant idiot, and that it didn't do any such thing.

Speaking of worthless posts, who are YOU to comment on anyone else's post's worth?

Oh christ. Here we go again. Yoshi wants to fight. It's not happening. Go back to your cave troll.

[QUOTE=Victor Van Dort]Oh christ. Here we go again. Yoshi wants to fight. It's not happening. Go back to your cave troll.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, it's always that I want to pick a fight, or maybe that I'm sick of your stupid, inane, and overly useless comments on people's statements.

Not only that, but he had a very valid point I stand behind and the insulting of people like that in no way invalidates any posts.

Speaking of trolls: Pot. Kettle. Black.

I RARELY think it's worth one's time to call people ****ers in internet forum posts, but when someone makes a vague generalization about a LARGE PORTION OF HIS COUNTRY, I get a little pissed off. He needs to realize how big of a pig ****er he is for even suggesting that 90% of the crippled ands retards and black people in america are just "living off the man." Nevermind the fact that we've had 200 years of, as emon would rightfully call it: BACKWARDS THINKING to cause these groups of people to have an inhuman time making any kind of money whatsoever.

And really, I have to agree with yoshi: Since when can YOU call people's posts worthless? No, no, you're right. Calling someone a ****er at the end of a post that completely debases some arrogant white kid's stupid prejudice COMPLETELY invalidates the fact that the post is correct?

Sure, I could have argued in a sensical fashion, but I'm angry. You don't make arrogant pig-headed claims like that end expect to walk away unscathed.

Maybe we need a change from old bible-reciting men to realize that this country doesn't always suck.

OMG.

I actualy agree with dj-yoshi for once. the world must be ending.

Kirby, you're the exception. There are people out there who can work and don't. What most of us take exception to are the people who collect government money and use it on drugs. Why doesn't welfare require drug testing? Because the left doesn't think there's anything wrong with giving druggies money, that's why.

No, but you do have to worry about the Dems taking your couch. Oh, you already paid for it? Too bad, 'personal property' doesn't mean **** anymore.

At least this means in a few years I'll be able to say 'told you so'.

Also, all the news outlets are still calling Lieberman a Democrat. He might still vote that way, but he no longer counts toward their majority. What a bunch of idiots.

Democrats won but I don't think it will change the current political climate. The country will still have way too much stupid fighting and pointless ego stroking. This thread shows that much.

1) No, there's not. Have you ever been to a welfare office? Have you ever been ON welfare ffs? Stop talking out your ***.

2) Giving druggies money? Just for your information, I've bought 3 bags of weed in my entire lifetime--that's less than an ounce. I still smoke pretty much whenever I want, because my friends share very generously. Also, for your information, weed is pretty much the only drug out there that'll stay in your system longer than a week. While it might SOUND like a good idea to give welfare people drug tests, there's numerous ways for them to get around it as is (other peoples' piss, blah blah etc) and the only real drug you'd probably ever catch is weed, which is also the least harmful, least addictive, least expensive one of the lot.

3) Democrats think personal property doesn't mean ****? Oh my christ. Grow up. They're liberals, not communists.

Per personal property: Liberals are not the ones you should be worried about. City councils should be the focus of your fear. At least here in CA. CA voters rejected prop 90 which puts great restrictions on eminent domain. I am mad about that. The SCOTUS decision on eminent domain still stands. Local governments can still take your property for private developers! All because the city wants more $$. That, my friends, is wrong.

I'm glad we have a democratic congress again. Higher spending and lower taxes do not make for good national economy.

No they do not. Low taxes and low spending make for a good national economy.

A war in Iraq does not qualify as low spending. And low taxes and low spending make for a economic recession.

Name a drug that costs less than 600 dollars, and can be abused? Drug dealers and users are some of the richest people you know, and you probably know them without knowing they're doing drugs. The poor guy you see on the street that would give a blowjob for crack? He STARTED OUT with mental issues. If he didn't, statistically, HE'S the exception.

You don't know anything about welfare, stop talking. People on welfare are the people that get ****ed over by years and years of backwards thinking, being born poor, or being born with a mental/social/physical disability. Statistically, I'm the goddamn example.

[If you want sources, go looking yourself. None of the nubmers will support your evidence]

You know what, everyone ask yourself:

"When I hear that they give money to people that don't work, what do I think?"

Because that's where your opinions are coming from. That's the ONLY thing you're thinking about when you consider welfare. Yes, there are people that are living sweet an easy on welfare (How, I don't know. 600 dollars is little to noting), but guess what? Those people are worth the othe majority of people on welfare who use that 600 dollars a month to FEED THEMSELVES and BATHE THEIR CHILDREN and GET A JOB. Get rid of social security, and you're essentially murdering innocent children in america. Get rid of social security, and I would have died as an infant. Tell me I'm the goddamned exception, *******.

First, I'd like to say that yes, it is an incomplete thought; those things tend to happen when you stay up later than you should and try to post in a semi-serious thread. I take full blame for that. Yet, I did state that is was my opinion. Though I did get a giggle out of the few of you that said I was blatantly wrong, yet didn't post anything to really back yourself up.

Now, on to the matter at hand. It seems a few of you throw out that not liking homosexuals and such is biblical. Sure, maybe for some, but not for me. So, for any that assumed that's where I was coming from, GG.

Now, I was going to actually post with some serious information, but when pondering on what matter would be best, I came to the realization that there would be no point. You'd all pick it a part like a child with a fly; make comments about the source not being legit, etc. Meh, why waste any more of my time.

I really don't care if you all think I'm sort of crazed gay-hater, fanatic bible monger, or all of the above; this is really not the hill I want to die on. And as Snake said, no skin off my back. So, I bid you farewell, and enjoy your petty squabbling; I wash my hands of this thread.

So your insecurity with gay people is what makes you not want them to get married? Really, I don't see a point. If you're talking about taxes, then you should see someone's post earlier about it NOT being about economics. There's no reason to "back up" or find sources for why 2 people shouldn't be allowed to become legal partners. There simply isn't. For you to take the moral high ground and pretend like you're right by simply saying your right is silly, and the reason why you'll never change, and why you have your backwards opinions in the first place.

High taxes and high spending make for an economic recession.

The independent label is simply a technicality. Lieberman himself said as much. In fact, he refers to himself as a Democrat and has announced that he plans on continuing to caucus in the Senate as a Democrat. Walks like a duck, sounds like a duck, so on and so forth.

If you want to argue semantics, feel free, but it won't change the fact that the Democrats have a majority in the Senate.

I've seen ALOT of people on food stamps who are perfectly capable of working, but don't.

There are waaaaay more people than the handicapped that get money from the government, and not all of them deserve it.

Food stamps are a broken system, I'll agree with you. Most people who are on food stamps are actually pretty rich, but are attached to company names, so their technical income is very little. Or at least, if they syphon their money correctly, is.

Yes, there's LOTS of people who are on food stamps that are sucking money out of our government. I can agree completely.

That has nothing to do with what I'm talking about, and you really don't know anything about social security if you think that there's lots of lazy people in that.

Old people are SO lazy!

What the hell is up with that "retirement" bull**** anyways? What, you think because you're old you can stop working? **** YOU GRANDPA. GET YOUR *** TO MCDONALDS AND MAKE ME SOME FRIES.


PS, neither of us are going to get any social security.

lol @ amerikkklans thinking that dems are leftwingers or "extreme"

enjoy sucking the sloppy dick of rightwing politics for the next 300 years, just as you have these past 50 ones.

americans will never be free unless they think outside their suvs.

Hooray for blue states!

We win, you lose, have a nice day

So in other words, you hate gay people for no reason whatsoever, and want to deny them their rights as human beings for a reason that isn't even religious? You see, I can understand and (somewhat) respect the Christian outlook that homosexuals shouldn't be married. I think it's wrong, and stupid, and a bunch of other things, but it's a reason. You don't even have a reason. Grow up and out of your stupid-*** view of the world.


Food stamps aren't welfare.

"Lol my team won u suk LOL!"

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Welfare is such a small portion of an individual's taxes that it's not even worth *****ing about. Not many people realize this...