http://www.wired.com/news/games/0,2101,63997,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_1o.O

Excuse me but WTF. That's wrong...on so many levels.

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All Caps too. Unless asterisks count for lowercase... I'm not exactly up on that.

[edit] I worded it wrong... [/edit]

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I figured the asterisks would be my saving grace. Perhaps not though...hrmm...

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I sense bad vibes coming from that game... very bad vibes. But I do see a good side to it!

Now all the freaks and stalkers and stuff will get off of FFXI and Ragnarok, and flock to this new MMO, where they can live out their horrible lives with others just like em.

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The major thing I see wrong with it is that there ARE those people who will act out things they see in a video game, especially one as realistic as this. But...just...wow...

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Well that's interesting. Though I think that mostly anyone who would find something like that enjoyable in a video game world is someone who is capable of doing it in the real world as well.

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I'm not an actor. I just play one on TV.

Then obviousely you understand very little of erotic fetishes!

I'm sure many of you have played GTA, or Thief? Does that mean you're all capable of breaking into people's houses and stealing their possessions or stealing cars and running over pedestrians with it? Of course not. Yet, you still enjoy doing it in a videogame - because you know it isn't real, and that allows you to do things you normally wouldn't do in real life, not just for legal reasons, but for moral reasons as well.

The same can be said about this kind of rape fetish. Just because these people enjoy playing as a rapist doesn't mean in the slightest sense that they would do such a thing in real life.

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Oh this is hypocritical on so many levels.

You all complain about people saying that playing violent video games causes violence in children. Now, you're saying that playing a game that involves rape will cause people to go out and rape.

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I've said this about violence in games, and I'll say it about rape. Doing it in-game is a good thing, because then would-be rapists will fulfill their desires in a virtual world, and not feel compelled to go out and actually rape someone.
This game is clearly aimed at people with those sorts of sexual desires.

Yeah, except murderers rarely get away with it, there is a real deterrent. Child molesters and rapists get away with it every single day. I was in court for a traffic ticket and I saw a child molester get 6 months PROBATION and someone caught smoking pot got 3 YEARS IN JAIL. American society isn't hard enough on rapists and molesters.

I think the people that will seek the game out are those that are ALREADY sick and already capable of doing something like that. I don't think it will "convert" normal people over to doing it.

I still think people should not play that game.

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Normal people can be murderers. In fact normal people are the majority of murderers. That's not true with rapists.

Mort--I can see where you're coming from sorta, but it's not the same. You just don't understand the US's mindset, and it's hard to unless you're a citizen. This, in our country, is wrong on so, so many levels.

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... Are you implying that rape is just hunky-dory where Mort is from? (Britain?).

I firmly agree with Mort, and as far as I know, I'm still a legal citizen of the US. It's a video game like any other.

And Brian, you've got an interesting point, but I think your exagerrating the situation. Yes, rape is easier to get away with, and thus more tempting, but it's not as if you've gotta be a mastermind to get away with cold-blooded murder either. Most murder arrests stem from people who murdered someone they knew - Anyone who murdered randomly, as they would if they were inspired by GTA, would have just as good a chance of getting away with it as a rapist does.

Secondly, if you're of the opinion that only rapists will play the game, and that it won't actually spawn *new* rapists, then what's the harm? Maybe it'll keep said rapists from indulging their fantasies in real life. Maybe this is the methodone clinic of the rape world.

I'm implying I don't know how they treat it there. Just how they treat it here. Rape does not, in any way, need to be condoned. Neither does violence, but people have been watching violence for entertainment for millenia. We've been desensitized to it. Not so with rape.

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Porn is close enough.

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I'm not going to say it'll cause people to go out and rape, but I'm not about to condone it. It's outrageously inappropriate, just as is too much gore in a video game.

Everybody root for me and my game idea! I'm seriously considering buying Torque and getting started! It'll be fun and relatively clean!

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[This message has been edited by SAJN_Master (edited July 07, 2004).]

A computer game is a computer game is a computer game.

Other than having to do with sexuality, how is porn even remotely related to rape?

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I don't think only rapists will play it. I also don't think it will create new rapists. I didn't say there would be a harm, I just said that I don't think people should play it. The more people in this world that become desensitized to rape (whether they are rapists or not), the worse the world gets. It's the same with violence, although less so. I would have more a problem with violent video games if they glorified torture as opposed to just killing. Popping a shot off and then moving to the next victim is a lot different than spending an hour making your victim feel pain before they die. Sure they are both wrong, but there is a difference.

And of course, I did not say we should ban this game (or any game). I simply said people should not play it. I guess it would be more clear for me to say, "people should not choose to play it."

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Depends on the kind of porn. When they're 18 year olds who are starving on the street and need some money and are conned into doing, it's "pretty much" against their will. They would do something ELSE if they felt like they had a choice. And if someone feels like they don't have a choice, it *is* rape, whether or not it's legally classified that way.

Say someone tells a woman that if she doesn't sleep with him, and ACT like she's willing, he's going to kill her daughter. Even if she looks like she is willing, it's still an act and it's still rape. Same with a lot of the porno people.

Of course, that doesn't apply to those women that just want to do it because they're too lazy to get a job or want more money to buy a nicer car. There's an extreme difference there.


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Then again you could also take a second to remember that most of the people we kill in videogames are "bad guys" and therefore it lacks any moral impact.

Try explaining to me how you rape someone for the good of the land.

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I resent that.

I know one game I wouldn't do the: use a Girl as a character for..

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My thoughts:

This is a game. Nothing more. Let them have their fun doing whatever, it's better than doing it in real life. This game will not create rapists. On the other side of the coin, I doubt rapists will play it en masse. Why would a rapist pretend to rape someone instead of actually going and doing it? Besides, a rapist rarely decides "I'm going to rape someone today" when they wake up in the morning. So they aren't going to think "I better play this game so I don't rape someone". The game will have little effect on what people do in real life. Just like every game.

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Your mission, Jim, should you choose to accept it...

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It's the same thing as the text based RPGs of the same vein, except with a graphical representation of the events that take place. I'm a fan of neither, but if there's a market, they're gonna sell it.

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I don't know about 'desensitising', but actually informing people about rape and sexual abuse so they can think about it logically and objectively is useful. Simply classifying it as a horrible and unspeakable thing is not useful.

Similarly, just labelling rapists as 'sick' or 'inhuman' is not useful. Simply putting up the sentence for rape is not a very good method of reducing rape crimes, if a method at all. Assuming that it does 'deter' the rapist from raping someone, he will still feel that urge and be dreadfully torn between his sexual desire and what he knows to be illegal. Simply trying to oppress the sexual urges will just result in depression and probably suicide. I'm sure that several of you here will say that it is good that potential rapists commit suicide, but rapists are people too and do have human rights. They need help, they need councilling. The push should be towards researching why people commit rape, and a Government-funded anthropological study of rape is the way forward.
Perhaps there is a link between sexual abuse as a child and developing a fetish for rape, and so councilling should be geared towards that.
No, the sociological study is not a quick fix, and it won't produce results any time soon. It will either take a long time or a lot of funding, or both, (depending on whether it is a longitudinal or cross-cultural study), but it is the only way to understand and help rapists.

But the obvious immediate solution is to legalise prostitution, ala Amsterdam. They have a desire for sex, and this would provide it. It obviously wont cater for those with specific rape fetishes, but it will help those that simply desire sex.

The more you demonize the urge and the fetish for rape, the less likely those that have that fetish are to come forth and seek councilling, and the more likely they are to actually rape someone. The councilling will help rapists before they actually go out and rape, and that is progress. There is already plenty of councilling for rape victims, but there is none for the rapist. This game might make those with urges think that their fetish is not 'unacceptable' or 'wrong' and that they can talk to people about it.

Simply putting up the sentence does little other than satisfy your want for revenge.

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Again I point to GTA and the thief series - or even Jedi Knight (dark side anyone?).

I don't know about you but I love killing good guys in video games.

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Uh...this game isn't about counselling, which is the correct spelling. It's about making a game about rape where you rape people /every day/. I'm sorry that's just wrong. This has nothing to do with feeding anyone's fetishes so they don't act it out or anything like that. Read the article.

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Actually no it's not. You just *can* rape. It's not cenetered on it. The media is turning it into a huge deal because you *can* do something. It even says you fight monsters and such.


EDIT: I just went to the website, and read all the 'features' and 'skills'. Yeah a lot of it is centered on sex. It's basicly like real life. You can do things in it that you can do in life, except of course, go out and kill monsters with magic. Like I said, the media turned it into a big hype because you can have sex in the game. Plus, it's not like prostitution is new to the MMORPG world. People in Everquest and Ultima Online cyber with people, for a few 'gold coins'. :sarcastic:
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I never said that the game was 'about counselling', I said that this game might help those with rape fetishes relieve their sexual urges.

I was just looking through your site the other day. Funny thing is, I've come up with most of those ideas myself in some form or another and I've got them all written down somewhere. It was quite a shock to see my 'new and unique' game system ideas all over your website.

Do you have a design doc written up yet? You should try to flesh out as many things as possible before you start, ideas are easier to change on paper than in code. I'll be looking forward to your game.

[Ooh, I just realized what this looks like. Sorry about the attempted hijack ]

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If I remember correctly, those who "simply desire sex" are a very low percentage of rapists. The rest desire a feeling of total dominance.

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Of all the twisted things I've seen and heard, this has to be the worst. These freaks should all be thrown in solitary confinement for the preservation of society.

You win. I never thought of that. Then again I don't like raping them.

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I resent that.

Meh, it's wierd....killing someone somehow seems less aboherent in many ways since in real life it can be justified on occassion...self defence...preventing harm to others....so I guess it's that flexible nature of that particular crime that when it comes to gunning down some innocent in GTA3 it just doesn't seem as bad for some reason.

Crimes such as rape never have a justification on even the most remote level so it's harder to mentally justify it for many.

I dunno, it's a tough subject as there really is a level of double standards, but that said where should the line be drawn, if at all? Should a game that featured pedophilia be outlawed?

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Why?

It is a computer game. A computer game.

It is the principle. The Principle.

That didn't answer anything.

The principle of being able to rape someone in an online game full of people.

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