http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/07/08/bush.naacp.ap/index.html

I read somewhere that he is the first president since Herbert Hoover in 1923 to NOT appear at one of the NAACP conventions. Bush always tries to duck the race card. How does he expect to win the darn election? One would think he would at least TRY to appeal to minority voters, but he doesn't even try.

Well at least Kerry's going. At least he knows its good for his campaign.

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bush should be ashamed

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I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is to try to please everyone.- Bill Cosby

He's only declined once. And whether you know it or not statistics show not a lot of black people vote. Why? Hell if I know. It probably didn't seem like a big deal to him, which whether that's right or whatever I can't state. But just because he declines it doesn't mean he's racist.

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He hasnt spoke there since 2000, while running for office. And I never implied that he was a racist either. I just feel that as president, you should try to reach out to all people, even if they aren't going to vote. That is his job.

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I don't see why this is a big deal...and I'm black myself.

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Well, that depends on the statistics...

In the last election, a lot of votes from black people were discarded.

Why would Bush want to go to the NAALCP conference when Julian Bond has basically called conservatives the Taliban of the right-wing. What good is it trying to appeal to a group that hates your guts?

I sure as hell wouldn't go.

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Because if you want votes you try to attract people that don't like you. The people that like you are already going to vote for you. It's called campaigning.

And him not speaking to the NAACP is not racist, it's stupid.

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I resent that.

Bush thinks that it will be useless if he goes to there. The Democrats for a long time (since around Kennedy I think) have always taken pride in claiming that they are the reason that the Civil Rights Act exists. It has always been a big selling point. However, little do the African-Americans realize that more Republicans voted for the Civil Rights bills than Democrats did. It really doesn't make sense why AAs (I'm getting lazy) usually vote in the majority for Democrats. Usually, AAs show more conservative tendencies. AAs usually are more religious, have more traditional values on things like abortion, and a lot of them believe in school vouchers, which all Democrats deathly oppose. The reason why AAs in the majority vote Democrats are that a lot of them are misinformed. No Republican canidate has really addressed these points to AAs, which I really don't understand.

However, one of the very SOLE reasons why AAs vote for Democrats is because of policies like Affirmative Action. Democrats are a big pusher of this policy, conservatives really aren't. So AA's vote for the party that denies that America isn't racist, that denies race-based policies. However, they really do have to realize that their memories that they base their votes on are no longer accurate. They can't base their votes on something that hasn't happened for 50 years.

However, Bush needs to realize that he can change this. AAs want their opinions to be heard, and addressed, and Bush hasn't done that. So, the NAACP would be a good oppurtunity to address these issues, let the AAs be heard, and maybe he can steal some votes from the Democrats. However, he probably still feels reluctant to go after his conservatives were called "the Taliban".

Also, if AAs want their needs to be addressed, it would be smart to start voting for both parties, not just Democrat. If you keep doing what you're doing, you'll keep getting what you're getting. If they started voting for both parties, both parties would then have to compete for AAs vote, and they would have to make more policies that would be good for AAs.


So long story short, it probably would be wise for Bush to go the conference, for the AAs sake, and his parties.

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So? The group is rediculously liberal, and to my knowledge was just bad mouthing Bush a few days ago. Seriously, would you want to go? These people hate him.

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If Bush wants to appeal to black voters, there are better places than the NAACP to do it.

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Once again. It's called campaigning. You are supposed to change people that don't like you. The idea is, if you really do good things for a group, you should go speak to them and bring it to their attention. If you do this, in theory, they should vote for you. Hence: He is not racist, he is stupid.

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I resent that.

Exactly. It's better not to campaign somewhere where you can't spin the discussion in your favor.

The overuse of that word isn't helping you.

You don't "campaign" by setting yourself up for a humiliating "speech" to a bunch of people that already hate you. There's no way to change someone's mind. If Bush spoke there, would YOU change YOUR vote? You don't campaign by showing people you care about them and go to their meetings, you campaign by concincing people that your ideas represent THEIR ideas. Those people disagree with him on virtually every fundamental issue, whether he speaks there or not. They just want to set him up as a target.

It's already a set up - Kerry got invited to speak on the last day of the convention, so no matter what, he will get the "last word." What a joke.

I'm so tired of this crap the democrats keep going on about how "stupid" Bush is. I don't agree with Bush on MANY issues, and I don't agree with Kerry on MANY issues, but I don't go around acting like a 5 year old and calling people stupid...

Although right now I really feel like making an exception.

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Uh...yah. Ditto. I don't call Bush stupid...he just can't make speeches, and he's a corrupt president. But not stupid

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The ignorance on this board is astounding. I shouldn't be surprised anymore, after being here for so many years, but each one of these threads amazes me.

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Name a single politician that isn't corrupt.

Exactly...democrats are more racist then republicans. It's plainly seen in their policies. Take affirmitive action for example, a policy that basically says "Hey, your black, so we'll give you some extra help since you can't compete with whites on a level playing field".
Sure it helps blacks at first glance, but really it completely undermines everything the civil rights movement worked for.


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I'll agree with Raoul and Buck, even though I'm Democratic. Why? Because it's true. I stand on the firm belief that Affirmative Action is immoral. But it's just one of the MANY MANY issues.

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Haha

Bush speaking at NAACP = Jesse Jackson speaking to the KKK

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So you're trying to tell me that not even a small percentage of people at the NAACP would consider voting for Bush? None of them. Not one. I find that to be rather unlikely. But, now those people probably won't consider voting for him, due to the fact that he insulted them by not speaking. And it encourages people like me to vote for Kerry, because he isn't a coward.

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I resent that.

I love Kerry, but don't call Bush a coward. Don't call him a coward. He's not. If he were a coward, nothing would separate him and Gore.

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He is a coward. Like I said in another thread. He wants to protect our country from, and I quote "imminent attack." Well, supposedly, by going to war on Iraq, that's what he was doing. But then it turns out that Iraq doesn't have and WMDs. But we knew for months that North Korea had them. And North Korea told us not to push them otherwise they would push back. So, do we attack the country that threatened us? HELL NO! Let's attack the country that we can take over in 3 weeks.

And lets also not forget that nifty little sound bite of W telling us how he fears that Iraq is going to cause us to look out our back door and see a mushroom cloud. Yeah, so it was an imminent threat, only not. We attack Saddam cause he kicked the UN inspectors out in 98. Why did he do that? Cause he didn't have any weapons of mass destruction! He had destroyed them. This was 6 years ago. And we go to war now!! We go to war on a man that has no WMDs. We had no evidence to show that he does. And he admitted that. He said he didn't want to wait for proof by smoking gun in the form of a mushroom cloud. Well I suppose if you want to prevent a mushroom cloud the best way to do it is attack a country without nukes. And that's what we did.

If he wants to impress me, get rid of some of the real threats... like that Bin Laden guy. Whoops we forgot about him though... or maybe he just changed his name to Saddam Hussein. Cause we all know Saddam flew some plains into some buildings a few years back didn't he? And you wonder why I use the word stupid....

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I resent that.

You make NO sense. He hasn't addressed Korea, but how does that make him a coward? They're hardly in any position to push anywhere, and they never stated they would. At our every advance they backed down. They've complied, for now.

Iraq DID have WMDs in 98. They either got rid of them or hid them well. Nobody knows which, though of course it doesn't matter if we can't find them.

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He's addressed Korea. Bill is uninformed.

I don't see what's wrong with Bush not appearing in front of a liberal group. They're not likely to be objective to what he would say anyway. However, he did speak to them during the last campaign.

It's not like not speaking in front of that group says anything about Bush's views on race, either. The NAACP far from being the only "Black" organization.

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Have you forgotten ...

I like how the starter of this thread associates a choice not to appear in front of the NAACP with a lack of desire to win the black vote, and then implies that Bush is a racist.

Also, if you need a reason to distrust the NAACP and similarly-minded people, take what happened in California the other day: http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/07/08/girls.name.ap/index.html



[This message has been edited by Sine Nomen (edited July 09, 2004).]

Now I know why everyone loves Sine.

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Wow... You are the first liberal I have ever heard say that you love Kerry. The man is a complete ignorant fool. Even my liberal (some socialist) friends think Kerry is an imbecile. How can you back that man on anything? Oh wait... its impossible to tell where he stands on anything so you cant. Seriously... some of my liberal friends are even voting Bush because they think that John Kerry would be such a disgrace to this country.

And back on subject, the NAALCP (L=LIBERAL) has called Bush a racist, and compared his administration to the Taliban. The NAACP is a racist, extreme leftist organization, that uses hate speech to "further" the advancement of african americans. I just heard a story a bit ago, aparently some school offical in California was caught on camera calling a little girl an unapropriate name. Well he apologized and the mother let it go because he apologized and forgave him. Anyway, when the NAACP got word of this, they went up in arms (they were assuming this was a black girl, she was white). They were ready to take this guy to court over this, and paint him as a racist.

When they found out it was a white girl, they packed up their bags and left. They didn't give a ****. So its ok to call a white girl a name, but not a black one... yes, racist.


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[This message has been edited by finity5 (edited July 09, 2004).]

Actually, there are some republicans in the NAACP if you didn't know

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Actually I did. It doesn't change what the group presents itself as.



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Even though as a majority, the NAACP may not support conservatve policies, they have still reached out, and invited, them to come to there banquets to talk to them. So what if they bash you, its politics. Kerry bashes Bush, but i don't think I'll see Bush back down from a live television debate with Kerry this fall, vice versa.

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No, it has gotten to the point where it is pure, unadulterated hatred.

Speaking of bashing, anyone else here about Whoopi Goldbergs little stand up bit the other night? In which she walked around the stage with a bottle of of whine making sexual jokes about her genitalia and the president, along with other obscenities. And the other performers did the same, not as bad though. But the thing is, it all came back to pure hatred for the president.


After all of this, this is what Kerry had to say...


So what? Is this politics? The media cannot even get a transcript of what was said at this event. That's how bad it was. This shows who these people really are. Kerry too, in his support of this. This is not politics, this is just sick.

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[This message has been edited by finity5 (edited July 09, 2004).]

I admit that's an error on Kerry's part. He has a real weakness for expression in the media--but that's something I think that the liberals can harbor if they do it right. What have the true liberals (not just the "OH HEY WE THINK CONSERVATIVES ARE RACIST AND OR COMMUNIST" liberals) wanted for years. TRUE Freedom of Expression.

But I love Kerry because he's gonna save us from Bush Jr.

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Save, heh. Those are strong words. You sound as if the man is holding a gun to Americas head.


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ZGPC

He's ruining our economy and promoting the wealthy while doing nothing for the poor/middle class. Seeing as how I'm middle class I don't see the justice in that. By wealthy I mean top 10%

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Bill Gates doesn't need any tax cut.

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I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is to try to please everyone.- Bill Cosby

[This message has been edited by YesSir (edited July 09, 2004).]

Would you care to say how he is doing that? That is a stupid old stereotype that wont go away. You want to talk about the wealthy, lets talk about John Kerry, and Edwards. Kerry is a freaking billionaire, and Edwards has upwards of 70 million in his name. Tax cuts went to everyone, not just the rich. It all comes back to who is making the jobs anyway.
Consumer confidence is up in the economy, and the job outlook is good. John Kerry is only hurting himself by stating constantly that the economy is crap, because (some) people can think for themselves, and they know the economy is getting better, and that Kerry is only saying the things he is to appeal the the middle/poor people. Hmm... doesn't Kerry plan to repeal all of Bush's tax cuts if he's elected? Yeah, that'll work wonders for the economy. Not.

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