What more can I say? It does.

Now, to make this thread legitimate, post what you think is the worst thing about JO.

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If you can read this you're
TOO DAMN CLOSE!!

I didn't think JKO had any real problems... good story... long levels with hard traps to beat... lots of diffrent things you can do.

WTF is the problem?
Is it because you can't beat it yet?

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<Outlaw_Torn> you mean your related to that damned sasquatch, Mech?
<MechWarrior> Lets just say the part of the family tree that does fork has bossy the goat in it.

<ubuu> does hitler have a last name?

[This message has been edited by MechWarrior (edited July 13, 2004).]

WHAT IS JKO?! jedi knight outcast?! it's jedi knight ii: jedi outcast

either JO, JKII, JK2, JK:JO...?!

never mind me.

ack. [/nitpick]

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Saberopus: omfq musical genuis j00 >mozart
Thrawn42689: Mozart = n00b

Sometimes the player model looked a bit crappy and half finished when he was getting particuarly intense with the saber....

A model and skin that looks practically identical to the kyle model from JK would be cool, just for the comical value... i'd probablys use it over the default skin too.

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Drugs & Stupidity, Tons of it.

JO had some crappy levels, yes. But overall, I liked it better than JK.

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I bet you think that's funny, don't you.

The worst thing I find about JO is that I like JK better

to saberopus:
Add this to your list...
JKA = Jedi Knight Arena
JA = Jedi Academy
a number of times in the past I've seen ppl refer to Jedi Academy as JKA -- this mixup is more confusing than JKO

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nytfyre m0d || f33l t3h p0w3r || t3h l0st c0gz || OMF > *

JO has so many awful things.. it's hard just to pick one!

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WAITER: Here’s your green salad, sir.
ANAKIN: What? You fool, I told you NO CROUTONS! Aaaaaaargh!

Worst thing about JO? The name. This is what it should have been:

Dark Forces
Dark Forces II: Jedi Knight / MotS
Dark Forces III: Jedi Outcast
Dark Forces IV: Jedi Acadamy

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<landfish> FastGamerr > Satan

It's funny how most game magazines and websites game JO a really really good rating, but you guy are so hooked on JK, you are ripping apart JO. JO was awesome, you guys need your heads checked.

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I made a thread, that turned into the debate, so I made a second thread, that turned into a debate, then I made a third thread, that caught on fire, burned down, got flamed, crapped on, bashed, then turned into a debate...but the fourth one, the fourth one stayed on topic!

I'm sorry to say this guys. But I think JO is great, and amazing. I can't really find any real flaws in it. Now JA on the otherhand. SUCKS. Well the single player does. If it wasn't for the mapping aspect, and user made mods. I would give it 2 out of 10.

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"Whats your name"
Cody
"No, whats your real name"
Arkon............
Proud member of the Co-op

So badly restricted SP editing. That legacy unfortunately lives on in JA...

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Frozen by ICARUS

JO has it's problems, but it's biggest one is the splosers that just randomly ***** about it because they still get wet dreams over JK.

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Kieran: The reason I put a link to it is because she is in underwear and I know the admins are touchy on that.
Yecti: Jaiph will touch himself for hours if he so much as smells a woman's underwear

Amen.

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Wise men say that fools rush in where angels fear to tread, so look before you leap, so to speak, because the grass is not always greener on the other side of the hill.

oh puhleeze. JO was the most awful game I've ever played by far, and that's without considering how much it failed as a sequel to JK.

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WAITER: Here’s your green salad, sir.
ANAKIN: What? You fool, I told you NO CROUTONS! Aaaaaaargh!

So you don't accept other tastes?

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<landfish> FastGamerr > Satan

No but you guys are way to hung on JK you can't accept that JO was a good game.

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I made a thread, that turned into the debate, so I made a second thread, that turned into a debate, then I made a third thread, that caught on fire, burned down, got flamed, crapped on, bashed, then turned into a debate...but the fourth one, the fourth one stayed on topic!

I was going to go into a huge rant about the difference between a bad game and a game that isn't your cup of tea but that isn't your guys problem. Your problem is if anything comes even remotely close to being better than JK you attack it in a nostalgia induced hissy fit disguised as inconsequential nit picking. It IS possible to enjoy both JK and JO. Most people do.

And a bit more on topic, I liked JO level design better than JK level design.

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Kieran: The reason I put a link to it is because she is in underwear and I know the admins are touchy on that.
Yecti: Jaiph will touch himself for hours if he so much as smells a woman's underwear

[This message has been edited by Kieran Horn (edited July 13, 2004).]

JO was good, even though many people say it's levels suck, I liked playing them. The plot was retarded, but I enjoyed playing JO. Not as much as playing MotS, but still. JA on the other hand, sucked. No matter what anyone says.

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<landfish> FastGamerr > Satan

JA to me was a mod for JO with a 50 dollar pricetag. :/

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I made a thread, that turned into the debate, so I made a second thread, that turned into a debate, then I made a third thread, that caught on fire, burned down, got flamed, crapped on, bashed, then turned into a debate...but the fourth one, the fourth one stayed on topic!

Yeah. I think JA is to JO like MotS was to JK, except MotS was better than JK.

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<landfish> FastGamerr > Satan

JA tried to do non-linearality.......in a linear way. The non flow of the missions was a problem for me.

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Kieran: The reason I put a link to it is because she is in underwear and I know the admins are touchy on that.
Yecti: Jaiph will touch himself for hours if he so much as smells a woman's underwear

Take. That. Back.



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ZGPC

Jedi Outcast was boring imo.

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What once was...

So was JK.

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<Outlaw_Torn> you mean your related to that damned sasquatch, Mech?
<MechWarrior> Lets just say the part of the family tree that does fork has bossy the goat in it.

<ubuu> does hitler have a last name?

Yay. Another thread about JO flaws. I thought we already went over this. :\

The MP is not too good (without mods) and most missions were a bit linear and and did not go into much depth. The engine and type of gameplay actually cound offer a great deal more, but the game does really reach out.

But this thread probably will not cover any new ideas or opinions that were not mentioned before.

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The Massassi JO/JA Single Player contest info

[This message has been edited by Echoman (edited July 13, 2004).]

Thats the thing I love about JO the most. Multiplayer.

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I made a thread, that turned into the debate, so I made a second thread, that turned into a debate, then I made a third thread, that caught on fire, burned down, got flamed, crapped on, bashed, then turned into a debate...but the fourth one, the fourth one stayed on topic!

What I find really tragic is when people disagree about a freakin' game and resort to bashing people who feel differently. Deal, move on.

Worst part of JO? Hmm, I had a real love/hate relationship with that game and could go on about many things I hated and loved...but to be honest the biggest disappointment was the difficulty in making SP levels.

The JO editing community really makes me sad because you've got lots of wildly talented people who just churn out gorgeous duel levels that next to no-one is going to play. The focus on SP editing in this series has gotten less with each game release and it's frankly killing my interest in it.

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Corrupting the kiddies since '97

So why isn't anybody making SP levels for JA or JO? In my opinion, JA has a lot of potential for a good SP level because of the vehicles and creatures.

Because it's hard.

Making good SP levels for any game is hard.

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I bet you think that's funny, don't you.

I think you just perfectly summed up what I've been trying to figure out for ages.

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Put me in the hospital for nerves and then they had to commit me,
You told them all I was crazy,
They cut off my legs now I'm an amputee, God damn you.
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Frogblast the Vent-Core!

I liked JO, but two things that bothered me were a) the story, and a minor one with b) the way the teeth show in cutscenes, it just looked pretty bad. Maybe it was the teeth's color, or the apeish look of how often they flared.

The story, my main problem was with believing that Kyle's force had atrophied to the point of nonexistence, making it difficult for him -who killed six Dark Jedi, one of whom could almost be a Sith considering his training, and redeemed one other- to defeat a psuedo-Sith, angsty Jedi Academy drop-out, Desaan, and a force-sensitive girl he just happened across, and trained- he, never having completed his training himself.

Also, JK resolved the Valley of the Jedi dilemna, I fail to see how Ruusan remained a force conduit in JO, capable of being exploited when the JK storyline denies that at the end.

JA was slightly better, involving a true Sith, and really exposing how weak Tavion, as a dark force user, was compared to a Dark Lord of the Sith, being completely controlled when she attempted to "use" Ragnos. It too had it's plot holes, though, but far less numerous. I didn't like the whole idea of everything becoming a force nexus whenever anything happened there. JK's story, and thestories that were built off it (Star Wars: Jedi vs. Sith, and the back-story of Jerec) were truly great.

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Steal my dreams and sell them back to me.....

[This message has been edited by Bounty Hunter 4 hire (edited July 13, 2004).]

i thought JO was a fairly good game... but had nothing to make me want to replay the single player except maybe when i get a new computer and can play it without the painful framerate drops and with everything turned up/on

i mean there wasn't any ability to go dark side was there? the entire reason i keep meaning to replay JK is so i can go dark this time

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LONG LIVE DREAMCAST!!!

I liked being able to use all dark/lightside powers as opposed to having to choose them.

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I bet you think that's funny, don't you.

So why don't we make levels in JED and convert them to JO and JA? After all, it would bring back some classic MP levels, thus giving one last breath of life to JO.

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If you can read this you're
TOO DAMN CLOSE!!

Fix0r3d. :\

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Blown away by the force of the word, woken up by the sound of the siren. It's genocide.

JK > all. but ur all PMSey cause u cant edit in JO. HAHAHA! Biotch!

I still think JO is a pretty good game and better than JA.
*runs*

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Agreed...

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It's not JK.