The Holy Bible describes Heaven as a beautiful place where people live forever with no death, sorrow, sickness and pain. {Revelation 21:4}

Hell is described as a place of suffering forever for all those who are not saved. {Matthew 13:50}

The good news is that about 2000 years ago Jesus Christ(God the Son) paid for everyone's sins or wrong doing by dying on the cross and rising from the dead after three days. {Mark 10:34}

God the Son came as a sinless man. {Philippians 2:5-8}

Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto God(The Father), but by me." {John 14:6} He is our ONLY way to God(The Father) in Heaven.

The Holy Bible says, "That if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God(The Father) raised Jesus Christ from the dead, you will be saved." {Romans 10:9}

You should not wait until later to get saved because you may die before you get another chance and you will miss Heaven.

If you want to be sure you will go to Heaven after this life is over just pray a meaningful prayer like the one below with your mouth and from your heart right now to God and you will be saved.

Dear God I want to be saved. Dear Jesus Christ Son of God I want to make you my personal Lord and Savior. Please forgive me of my sins or things I have done wrong in my life. Thanks Jesus Christ for taking my punishment for my sins by shedding your sinless blood on the cross and dying for my sins. Jesus Christ I now confess you as my Lord and believe in my heart that God(The Father) raised you from the dead. Amen.

If you just allowed God to save you then welcome to the family of God because you are now a Christian on your way to Heaven.

Please copy and send or email this message to your friends and family so they can have a chance to be saved.


http://GotQuestions.org/now-what.html - Go to this website if you were saved today.

RonaldLGrossi@yahoo.com - My home email is for comments and questions.

How can a spam bot be...religious?

hahahahhaa.

Better to reign in hell than serve in heaven.

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Ruth, I doubt you been to New Jersey....

Religion is gay

This is a joke, right?


Someone is trying to make a satirical point about the abundance of religious discussions around here?

I hope so. I really hope that religion spam bots are not real.

I can imagine my inbox

"ENLARGE YOUR FAITH"
"BUY GOD, THE ALL NEW WONDER CURE!"

Creating spambots is such Jesus-like behavior.

I especially like this statement:



So what about all the millions of people who lived before Jesus? They're just ****ed?

Hey! A born again Christian spambot

Dogma FTW.

I live in a place worse than hell.

....Wisconsin

You remind me of one of my favourite quotes from Father Ted.

Father Dougal: And what about eating meat on Friday? It used to be a sin, but now it’s not? What about people who ate meat in the past? Where are they now? Did they go to hell or what? It’s mad!

And people wonder why I hate religion.

Jesus this, Moses that, Abraham beat me with a whiffle ball bat.

<_<
>_>

Religion is serious business.

Actually no. Those who put their faith in the *coming* Messiah would have been saved. (Though I imagine you weren't really looking for an answer to that question.)

Anyway, it's nice that someone's trying to evangelize, but honestly this bothers me. There have been more confusions and misconceptions about Christianity as a result of missionaries not bothering to understand the culture in which they're preaching before they preach then probably anything else.

Okay... so how about the people who lived before any such prophecy or who'd never heard of it? You're being completely illogical, Sarn.

Don't bring logic into a religious discussion.

Not like that's necessarily a dis to religion, because it's based on faith. Not logic at all. The end result to any religious discussion will be that, faith versus logic. Because in the end to believe in a big man behind the clouds you don't rely on anything but a gut feeling, not matter how anyone tries to paint it.

So yeah, it's sorta pointless to discuss religion at all, because you will *always* get to that endpoint.

If you subscribe to Christianity (or Judaism for that matter) then you believe that those prophecies have been around for as long as mankind, and therefore, everyone has had a chance to hear them.

(And before you ask, I'm not going to argue with you about whether or not Native Americans all went to hell since there was no Christianity in that area, so don't bother. Most people believe that if a person goes through their entire life without hearing the word of God then they'll be given an oppurtunity to decide upon their death. I don't like that idea for a couple of reasons. 1. It takes the urgency out of our duty as Christians. Why should I bother to evangelize if God's gonna take care of it without me? 2. The Bible talkes about there being an Elect, a limited number of people that will reach Heaven. These people have supposedly been pre-ordained, and the rest are out of luck. Sounds harsh (which is why most Christians tend to ignore it), but if you put it into proper context it makes sense. Imagine those people as being terrorist victims. Basically, God created us all to live on the Earth in communion with him. Hell was never something we'd have to face. Then Satan came in and messed up that plan, causing people to die (meaning by default they then belong to him). God struck back by sending his Son, Jesus to save them. Some people will accept Jesus' help and be saved. Others will not.

In essence, Jesus is like the Patriot Act. THey're both measure put in place by a higher power to prevent terrorism, and they're both hated by a lot of people and accepted by others.

*shrug* I know it's a stupid analogy, but I think it's kinda funny. Anyway, like I said earlier I'm not gonna be drawn into a debate about this, so if you decide to pick apart my vaguely-understood position, don't expect me to try and defend it. I've already decided that there are a lot of things that I don't understand about Christianity and that it's better to accept them then bang my head against a wall. This means I live a much less stressful life, but also means I don't have answers to questions looking for logic in how God works.


Cheers.

:downs:

Okay, that doesn't make any sense at all. I don't even care if you try to claim that you're exempt from logic because you have faith, it still doesn't work. Just because a prophecy has been around since the beginning of time DOES NOT mean that everyone's heard it. No way, no how, never.

Second, you're barbaric for what you said in the rest of that morass of morally-devoid rambling.

Pft, god doesn't love bots...

I'm not going to pick your post apart.. but you say it's simpler just to ignore the stuff that doesn't make sense...wouldn't it be simpler yet just to ignore it all?

Perhaps. If you're hanging from the side of a cliff and someone offers you a hand would it be "simpler" to ignore it?

All I'm saying is I'm going to take that hand, and not stop to wonder why the guy didn't drop a rope instead.

"Hey! We don't serve their kind 'round here!"

Or, you know, you might not be on a cliff at all, and would rather ignore the man insisting you are.

That's right, Wolfy. We stick with our own kind 'round here.

Maybe, maybe not. Guess we'll just have to wait and see.

(though if someone points out to you that you are, I'm sure you'll at least agree that it would be prudent to judge the situation for yourself rather than dismissing it out of hand.)

Replace the "cliff" with a more complex analogy. A doctor tells you that you have cancer. You can't see it how do you know it's there? Because the doctor shows you evidence (and depending on the stage you can feel the effects of it). Now imagine the doctor offers you a cure. But the cure's gonna mean that your life's a bit more... complicated than it was. Would you take it?

Or would you tell yourself that the doctor's wrong and there's no cancer there?

Ah, well, if he's showing me evidence then I'll probably believe him.

A lot of con artists lend a "helping hand."

Sure, but evidence is subjective (perhaps not in this analogy as this is pretty clear-cut, but spiritual things are rarely clear-cut). The same pieces of evidence will often bring about entirely different conclusions by each person viewing them.

Precisely.

Yeah, but the difference between a con artist and someone that's genuinely interested in helping is that with a con artist you don't usually need a "helping hand" and thus the question comes down to whether or not you do.

And thus, it comes down to each individual making a decision as to whether or not he/she needs that help. I believe that everyone does. Maybe I'm right, maybe I'm wrong, but regardless it's what I believe. Even so, I decided a while ago, that I'm not capable of making people recognize that need. That's God's role. I simply have to watch for it and be there to help people find the solution when they're ready.

(btw, I'd also like to mention that so far this has been a pleasant conversation, and I appreciate you guys discussing it with me without trying to bait or offend me. This sort of thing doesn't happen too often around here.)

It's been my experience that people who aren't Christians just don't get it. And I don't mean that in a bad way. If someone says Christianity is an exclusive club, they are essentially right, and that's why those that aren't Christians have such a difficult time understanding the mindset of Christianity. It really does take one to know one.

I know exactly what both sides are saying because I've been on both. There was a time when I didn't understand and was on the "outside" so to say, but when I did understand, it suddenly became so obvious that I felt like a fool for not realizing it before. It really is like walking in a darkened room and turning a light on and going, "oh, that's what I've been bumping my shins on all this time".

As far as the spambot goes, um, that's kinda lame/lazy/almost-disturbing, imho.

[edit]Changing the subject yet again, concerning all the folks before that wouldn't have heard the Gospel, I was taught (and I can't remember where it is) that when Christ died, he went to Hades, which is not hell, but more of a hangout place while everyone awaits judgement. Christ told everyone in Hades about himself (I guess they had a good sound system ), and those who believed him were either resurrected when he was (I do remember that part is in Matthew) and/or went to Heaven to await judgement.[/edit]

The "non-christians will never understand" argument is bunk. Most of us were raised in Christianity and found our way out..

why are you people trying to turn this or any other thread into a serious discussion

Exactly. The first half of my life I was christian. It wasn't until after I was confirmed that I began questioning things. I can use the same cheap cop-out of "it was like turning on a light" too.

In response to the bot, I'd like to point out that he failed to show the law, and mans guilt to it. The reason we need Jesus is because we have violated the law of God that is written on every man's heart.

A doctor can tell us we need to take some foul tasting medicine, but we must first understand just how sick we are. We need to realize that we are in dire need of a cure, or else the medicine will be very unappealing.

Oh, and yeah. Spam bot evangelism is definitely not the way to go, although I do find it interesting that it started a religious discussion instead of an instant lock.

Wow.



Wow.




Wow..

I just think its funny that a spam bot is trying to save us all.

Sarn--you do know the Patriot Act is a wholly un-Constitutional bill that violates our rights and freedoms, and that comparing "sin" to "terrorism" (with your HORRENDOUS analogy) is perhaps the stupidest thing on the internet right?

Right?

Please tell me that whole analogy was one big horrible joke, or I shall pray for humanity, and I sure as hell am NOT religious.

Bring back the one true religion! That's right: the gods of the ancient Greeks! Aegis-bearing Zeus shall never lead us astray!

I bet zeus smites pedos.