Aight, so the UAC is probably not needed in your case. However, you were recommending to other to do the same thing and probably are not as computer savvy as you.

Moral of the Post: Shouldn't tell people to do things that might cripple their PCs.

According to my friend vista is much slower.
"i had slowdown when i had wow and a movie and firefox. where as in xp i can run two copies of wow and a movie and browser and its still flying"

Thoughts?

Your friend is retarded, has sucky hardware, or is retarded.


Seriously, why the **** would you run two copies of WoW? Unless he's of course the variety of turbonerd that needs to run two screens of it at once for twice the lame.

Mostly I think he's just retarded.

The question isn't why he would run two WoW's.

The main concern is would I be able to ruin WoW, a movie, and firefox without slowdown?

He reckons 2 gig isn't enough ram, oh, and yes he's a turbonerd.

I've run WoW, VS.NET, and PS all in Vista before.

No slowdown. Vista optimizes itself for games when they are running.

Why would you run a movie AND WoW at the same time?

Thats more than a little dumb.


(PS, I just tried it using dual monitors.. works fine for me.)

Because the best way to mindlessly grind in WoW is to have WoW windowed (but max screened) and winamp running a corner
That's how I've always played WoW. Theres only a few exceptions (healing in raids) where I wouldn't have some kind of tv going.
You may think it's dumb, but again, that's beside the point.

You should probably re-evaluate why you play a game that is SO BORING that you have to find other things to do while playing it.

I do that with most games.
I just used WoW as an example because thats what he used as an example.
I don't even play WoW anymore.
But with 90% of games I have winamp, mirc and firefox going.

Deadman, video drivers for Vista are still relatively poor, that is the most likely explanation.

Though they are getting better with each release, this is most likely a reason for the slowdowns your friend mentioned because I can run Halo or Oblivion (both games have settings all maxed out) on my main monitor while watching a DVD or live tv on my second monitor through WMC... no slowdowns or lagging at all.

Awesome, thanks =]

The latest Nvidia drivers are pretty good.

Are you suggesting he isn't smart with PCs? WORD YOUR REPLY CAREFULLY!

3.5 years of helpdesk experience has taught me to ALWAYS expect the user to be a complete and total dumbass when it comes to a computer.

Oh Oh! Tell us some stories! Techie stories are always entertaining.

There was this one time, I plugged a PS2 mouse into a PS2 keyboard port, and moving the mouse made letters type!

Im so trying that...

http://forums.massassi.net/vb3/showthread.php?t=46226
http://forums.massassi.net/vb3/showthread.php?t=46449
http://forums.massassi.net/vb3/showthread.php?t=46469
http://forums.massassi.net/vb3/showthread.php?t=46631
http://forums.massassi.net/vb3/showthread.php?t=47129
http://forums.massassi.net/vb3/showthread.php?t=47301
http://forums.massassi.net/vb3/showthread.php?t=47413

Hahahahaha!!!

Prime example.

Emon just won at the internetz.

ATi's linux drivers are worse than Nvidia's.

It's the VIsta drivers that concern me

Apparently the newer nVidia drivers are quite good. nVidia's OpenGL driver is a lot better than ATI's.

I didn't read the whole thread, but the whole point of UAC is that the security prompt is placed on a separate desktop (so other programs can't hook the cursor or prompt window). If you use Vista and you disable either UAC or the Secure Desktop you're pretty stupid. I'm sorry, it's true. I don't care how much of an uber OCD pointless tweak addict you are, it's stupid.

Having a firewall doesn't eliminate the point of UAC. UAC is designed to restrict applications to certain permissions (including scripts running in a word processor, for instance). It's an extra securty layer in case you are retarded and running a bad program. Tell me, CM... do you check the MD5 hash of all of the programs you download? Really?

I'm sorry, did I say the firewall was the only thing I did? I'm pretty sure I made a list.

No, of course I don't check MD5s, and there's no point for me unless it's something critical. I don't see your point on MD5s in the first place. I don't visit websites that may harbor such software, and I don't readily download programs either. It's the same way I've ran my PC for the past 6 years without a single spitting of spyware, trojan or virus.

I love how you guys get into completely useless fights about how to run a computer.

All for the glory of the ePenis.

oh okay, so all mirrors are trusted and it's impossible for someone to sneak a backdoor into an opensource project? (like what happened with the debian development repositories?)

I still maintain: if you see the UAC prompt more than once a week then you are doing something wrong.

And it's not possible for them to edit the MD5 sum to match their viral version also? This is my point.



Uh huh.

CM doesnt know anywhere to get porn without killing his PC.

Uh, the point is that you check the MD5 sum calculated from disk with a known good one from a trusted source.

I think you're being a bit liberal there. A lot of programs don't let you choose where to put its start menu shortcuts, for example, and if I didn't have UAC set to auto elevate I would get a prompt every time I tried to move things in the all users start menu directory.

I also do things in my program files directories somewhat often, and it can get annoying. If I got a UAC prompt once per "session," it would be okay. But every time I try to add, remove, move, etc a file, I get one. Granted, I could run a new explorer window as administrator, but that's annoying. I think a better UAC implementation, or at least an option, would be to have UAC elevate privileges and retain them for a period of time, say two minutes. Maybe it could even be restricted to similar actions in a certain place, like the current directory.

If privileges could be elevated only for certain actions for a few minutes, it wouldn't be bad at all. It's only really annoying when you have multiple UAC dialogs in succession. And, yeah, like I said you could run stuff as administrator, but most people won't think of that, and the OS should be smart enough anyway.

Hey, maybe privilege elevation could be tied to processes, too, so you get privileges to modify files for two minutes or while the explorer window is open. You'd have a lot more usability at a slight cost of security.

Uh, my point was I get my software from trusted sources in the first place. He's implying that the trusted source is somehow not trustworthy, and I replied by saying "then how can you even trust the provided MD5 sum to be valid"?

If you are downloading software Abc directly from abc.org it's probably safe. Jon is talking about mirrors, like when you go download Abc from whatever.com/pub/joop/mirrors/abc.

The only mirrors I ever use are .edu or the site itself. :/ (And that's both because of security and because they're usually the fastest haha)