The saber also wouldn't have enough momentum to carry the trooper along with it.

How shallow are you guys? Force push + stab with lightsaber.

Not very hard to do. I did it all the time when I was younger.

That would have to be a pretty damn slow Force push then, plus the fact that he's not even holding his hand up after he throws the saber.

holy spud..

Brood Wasp?

You could assume that the lightsaber's hilt was caught in the stormtrooper, allowing the saber to push the trooper back.

As for my thoughts on the trailer so far, anyone else think it's odd that the game is supposed to be about Darth Vader's dark apprentice hence the empire should be his ally yet we see footage of him killing stormtroopers, destroying tie fighters, and bringing down a star destroyer to the ground? Could this be because:

1) The empire doesn't mind that Vader allows his student to kill anyone he wants as long as it makes for good training.

2) The dark apprentice goes rogue during the game, killing whoever he wants.

3) The dark apprentice switches sides, aiding the rebels instead of the empire.

4) This trailer is just a demonstration using the empire as his target dummies and has no real impact on what will be featured in the game.

I heard from an interview he's a secret apprentice reserved just for Vader and not even Palpatine is supposed to know about him. That's why when say he goes after a jedi in hiding or protorebels he also destroys other witnesses including stormtroopers. Can be found here:

I still read the title as "Force on a Leash"

Just because Vader is part of the empire doesn't mean he likes the empire, or is even loyal to it. I wouldn't at all be surprised if Vader acted on his own accord through his apprentice and ****ed with whoever he felt like ****ing with.

Yep, he supposedly had rivalries within the empire and its allies for standing with the emperor and from the movies we also know he wanted to dethrone the emperor to rule the galaxy.

From the short in game footage they showed, it looks a lot like a Jedi Knight game.

And the wood splintering thing was cool, but I wanted to see the effect on more surfaces like metal, dirt, and organic stuff. (There's hardly any wood in Star Wars)

i like the way he holds his saber. the behind the arm thing. thats neato

A new kind of lightsaber 'unleashed'



The more I see of this game, the more I like..(Besides the weird lightsaber)

That is so dumb...

yeah i can't see how that is even plausible, but the behind the arm thing is cool.

Lolz, Lightsticks.

But yeah that is a really stupid idea.

Hehehe. Light tonfas. Some people love the idea, some people hate it, some people think it's cool but ultimately come to the conclusion that it's stupid. It seems like a pretty impractical and inefficient idea to me, but they're supposed to be Force users after all, so they should be able to control where their sabers are at all times and not cut off their own elbows. I guess it's like those who choose double-bladed or dual lightsabers over the standard fare, except to a slightly further extreme. Man... All we need now are some light-nunchucks, light-sais, and some species in the Star Wars universe that looks like giant turtles.

If you look closely at that part of the trailer, you can see that only the blade is stuck in the trooper. Something I didn't notice before was that it also seems to be slowly working it's way out from his back. That still doesn't make a lot of sense. I thought lightsabers were supposed to cut through stormtrooper armour like nothing. The way they have it right now seems like they're treating the lightsaber as a regular sword for things like saber throws, and then as a blunt weapon for regular fighting. I know they have a good amount of "tweaking" to do between now and release time. I hope they improve the lightsaber-related mechanics.

I figured I wasn't the only one who thought this. I kind of hope it doesn't control exactly like a Jedi Knight game, though. FPS-style controls usually feel really "sticky" when comparing console to PC.

edit: Then again, most first/third person shooters have the same kind of control scheme, and a lot of them work fine on the console.

I'm spending way too much time thinking about this stuff.

Alright I guess I was being too picky with the star destroyer thing (I never really got into the extended universe). I just hope the game isn't all style and no substance.

Especially because it's a tonfa which.. you know.. has to touch your arm.. alot.

They have that. Search for "euphoria" videos on Google video. Euphoria is actually part of the AI system, but there are related videos where they show the physics do all kinds of things.

It also uses some sort of witchery to make boides react incredibly realistically to physics-driven situations.


(Indy grabbing the ropes to steady himself on a rocking rope bridge.

Watching more videos about the euphoria engine is making me more and more excided about seeing this in-game and even possible editing with it.

Just for clarification, the physics simulation stuff is DMM (Digital Molecular Matter) by Pixelux, whereas the AI/"dynamic animation" is NaturalMotion's euphoria.

I was trying to find the longer DMM demonstration video from GDC 2006, but I could only find it on GameVideos, so that'll have to do. HERE YOU GO.

http://www.gamevideos.com/video/id/9303

That was really really slow, but cool. I hope they make glass shatter a little more realistically.

Same as posted above, I had a long load time on gamevideos, so in case you do to.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bKphYfUk-M

In Episode 3 you see Yoda throwing a lightsaber at a Clonetrooper, more or less like in this trailer. Then Yoda jumps on the trooper to pull it out.

It was never really said that a lightsaber can cut everything without any resistance. When Luke fights Vader in ESB he hits Vaders shoulder but doesn't seem to have enough force behind it to cut the arm off.

Qui-Gon looked to have some trouble when cutting open a door near the beginning of TPM

The trouble is, if they are beams of light, they should. This way just makes no sense.

LIGHTSABERS R MAGIC!

Yeah, it seems that in that picture if you swung that saber around the grip that it would at least nick your arm or the point would swipe you across the face.

If they are beams of light they should go on forever and be blocked by all opaque objects.

Actualy gui gonn gets hit by darth maul in the back with mauls blade in TPM I think just after he boots obi wan.

Yep... I suppose if it's going to be impossible, you might as well go all the way.

I thought they were beams of pure energy despite George calling them "laser swords?"

I thought they were

SCIENCE FICTION


Geez....

I think that was crystal, not glass.

They had both. A glass panel and a crystal... pedastal thing for that stone statue.

I haven't seen the movies in a while, so please excuse my ignorance.

Incoming rant/WORDS!

The problem is that there seem to be at least some inconsistencies with regards to the lightsaber. Obi-Wan cut right through Ponda Baba's arm, and Vader cut off Luke's hand without any noticeable resistance. It slices through most weapons easily. They've also had several instances (in the EU at least) where lightsabers pass clean through most normal materials, including stormtrooper armour. It cuts through most droids without any trouble at all. Then there are other cases where it seems to react like a different beast altogether. With the example you gave, Yoda's lightsaber apparently just sticks out of a trooper like a regular, metal sword stabbed through someone, and I think I remember there being other examples like that. As for the Qui-Gon/Maul thing, you could argue that either way. Did Maul shut the blade off before Qui-Gon fell, so that it wouldn't slice through him as he fell? Or did Qui-Gon only start to fall after Maul shut the blade off?

Looking back at the history of Jedi games, this isn't the first game where the lightsaber basically just acts like a giant baseball bat or a standard sword. In the Episode III game, the saber acts pretty much the same way as in this new trailer. In the KotOR games, it usually just acts like a regular sword, which some people explain away by saying that lightsabers were really underpowered in that era. But, that doesn't line up with the KotOR comic material that I remember. In the games, you have to deal with the issue of balance. If everything was a 1-hit kill with the saber, or even "realistic" (hit a body part and it gets cut off), then it would probably make the game exceedingly easy. In pretty much every game that uses the lightsaber in some form, at least some of the enemies are able to stand up to multiple body hits with the lightsaber. I realize that they have to figure out some way to tone down the overpowering strength of the lightsaber, but I just wish that they didn't treat it like a freaking club against cannon fodder enemies like the stormtroopers. Then again, I guess they probably have to deal with the whole "T for Teen" rating aspect, and I have no idea if severed human limbs fit with that. Obviously severed droid limbs are fine, though, considering that's in the RotS game.

Translation: Hurrr de duurrrrr huuurrrr.

Lightsaber blades are made of a fictional energy. From the movies we can tell that they are not infinitely powerful and do encounter plenty of resistance while cutting, especially hard materials.

However, a lightsaber should cut right through an unarmored person, especially in a stabbing manner. The only way that shot from the game would make sense is if the hilt got stuck on the person.

But it's only a game, so I don't really care.

meh.

Sorry, I'm still not impressed at all. I wanted to see that Darth Vader pwn-all game. I've also dreamed of a bounty hunter FPS where you play the stories of Boba Fett, Bossk, IG88, etc. I just don't care for force push/pull++

I didn't mean to imply that I thought otherwise. Like Impi, Glyde and others brought up, Luke's saber didn't really cut through Vader's suit, Qui-Gon couldn't just slash through the doors, there's the whole deal with cortosis and cortosis weaves and coatings, etc. There have just been inconsistencies in how they work from one situation to another, similar situation. Yeah, pretty much.