Yeah they should have rushed the policeme

So you acctualy WANT people to get shot because they haven't done anything "good" for you?

I didn't say I wanted people to get shot, I wanted cops to get shot.

Apparently so. What a sad, twisted person.



So cops aren't people, eh? They don't have families, kids, friends?

Be glad I'm not an admin.

Wow. You have a ****ed up view of the world, wishing death on people and all.

You are a disgusting human being.

dude! i hope you get brutalized something fierce for a thought crime THEN maybe you'll be justified for the above statement.

Yeah, they do. But they're cop friends, cop family, cop kids. The cop knows the risks. The cop family knows that if the cop dad asks the wrong person, "Have you been drinking tonight?" he might get shot.



That's the problem with cops. They get so hopped up on being big lawman that they can't seperate their personal vendettas from their job.

Roving gangs have not murdered you and stolen everything you own. You'd better stop.

And then we have sick, twisted people like yourself, who look forward to such incidents.



I'm not the one throwing insults around and wishing death upon you, am I? When somebody says they want me dead, I just might take it personally. Get over it.

oh, wait. so you know them all, personally? well! my mistake then! i guess your views on law enforcement are absolutely correct!:downs:

No, thank God, they haven't. However, in the past year, I've known at least 5 houses that were robbed, with absolutely zero reaction from the fuzz. I assume the people who commit the crimes were roving from one place to another (unless they lived next door), and the possibly could have been in a gang. The police were neither preventing nor dealing with the problem. They need to drive back and forth on the main streets all night looking for drunks to lock up.

so wait. there were five houses that were burglarized, and afterwards all of the contacted the police/ 911/ or whatever authorities and the response was literally "sorry were too busy looking for drunks to pick up" ...

No, they said they would have to wait, because all cars were mobilized. So I looked up how many police cars and SUVs there are, and I went down to the street where all the main bars are, and I saw them driving down the street one after another, going down to the end, doing a U-turn, and coming back down the other way, in a giant black car convoy. They continue doing this the entire night, until the bars close, and drunken party kids stop roaming the streets.

Preventing drunks from driving in the middle of the night is always going to be a priority over home robberies because there is greater potential for loss of life with drunk drivers than there are in robbery cases where no one was hurt. And personally, I'd rather have the drunk folks off the street before they crash and kill someone.

And let's not forget the fact that these patrol cars and officers are given assignments by their supervisors. The individual cop doesn't get to choose what their jobs for the day are going to be. You probably have a legit beef, but your focusing your anger on the wrong folks.

What a douche muffin.

There's not really a big problem with drunk drivers, because for the most part everyone lives within walking distance from the bars, and people are pretty good about designated drivers. While I agree that there should be some police presence on the street, as fights etc sometimes break out, I don't think every police car in the town needs to be driving one after another with lights and sirens on. I mean, people are trying to sleep. There's also a lot of pizza places on the street, and if you're eating a gyro, and some lettuce falls on the ground, they'll book you for littering, if you pick it up, they book you for reckless endangerment of the environment, and if you spill it on yourself, they get you for conspiracy to commit reckless endangerment of the environment.

I remember one time, some guy was walking to his girlfriend's house with a bottle of wine, in a bag. They police arrested him for having an open bottle of alcohol, as it "opened" when it smashed against the ground after they tackled him, and then beat him so hard he pissed himself, and wrote him up for public urination.

Boy, you're a tweaked one you are.

If stat wasn't saying stuff like that, I would be worried if something had happened to him

The only thing they arguably might have done wrong was not to give him adequate warning or inform him that they weren't arresting him, they were just kicking him out. And then again, maybe they did and they were just drowned out by his yelling.

Without cops you wouldnt have been able to post that message because your computer would have been stolen out of your house cuz there were no cops to stop the robbers. Then you'd be shot and your house taken over cuz there's no cops to stop that either. Dont think it would happen? Hell I would've done it already if it weren't for all them damn cops out there

Is that because of a high police presence or because people are really that responsible on their own?

Forgive me if I don't believe you, stat. Basically everything you say sounds like a giant sack of ****. Driving up and down main street one after another with lights and sirens going? Tackling someone out of nowhere for no reason? And your little food story is clearly a lie.

And add to that that you're a horrible person, this all equals zero credibility, zero sympathy, and zero respect.

Internet.

STAT you are an idiot.

COPS spend EVERY risk their lives every day, willingly for your protection and that of others.
I don't even need to elaborate on that thought there.

Drunk drivers are a BIG problem. I have seen 2 people I knew been hit and killed by drunk drivers. I had a neighbor crash into a house right in front of mine because was drunk. I had a friend who hit a tree head on with a motorcycle and was in a coma for a week, and in a wheel chair for nearly 3 months. DRUNK DRIVING IS A PROBLEM, AND IT NEEDS TO STOP. IT AFFECTS US ALL. CAR ACCIDENTS AREN'T FUN OR COOL, THEY ARE SOME OF THE MOST DESTRUCTIVE EVENTS IN SOCIETY THAT TEAR FAMILIES APART, CREATE WIDOWS, ORPHANS, AND CAN BE IN THEIR MAJORITY AVOIDED.

Any one who does drunk driving is a douche bad who doesn't care about himself/herself, the people they can hurt and kill, their family, and their own family who, if they are any decent family, would not allow such situations to occur and would help him/her to leave said addiction and get a life.

Granted, but it still makes me sick.

SF_Gold makes up more anecdotes on internet to give himself credibility.

I'm contemplating banning stat for a day for causing a massive derail, but some other members had their fair share in derailing this into "COPS R GUD!/COPS R BAD!" So, it wouldn't exactly be fair, as all anyone had to do was not get worked up by stat saying "cops never do anything good, and deserve to be shot." How many times have we heard that about people in the military during some of our threads on the Iraq invasion? I don't remember any of our uniformed members caring. So, stat, leave this thread, if you come back, you'll be banned. Everyone else, continue talking about the silly attention whore who was tasered.

Personally just from the video, I think the police handled it with a little too much force, however, if that article/blog post is true, that whiney butthole deserved a lot more and is lucky Kerry had enough faith that the kid was just trying to ask questions and make a point and not trying to cause Kerry physical harm.

[Edit - let me rephrase that, threads like this evolving into "cops are good/cops abuse their power" isn't bad, derailing a thread by saying "cops need to be shot because they only do bad things to me" is bad.]

The thing that is telling about the way the video starts is that the cops are already in the video. Obviously there is relevant material leading up to that point or they wouldn't have been standing behind him. At the point they begin to lead him away he begins shouting and jumping around. He effectively forces the police to use physical force to restrain him. At that time he has doomed himself because the only way to get the police to lower the amount of force they are using is to submit but, as we see in the video, he appears to continue to struggle throughout the ordeal. To me it seems obvious he wanted as much attention as possible. Also, as he wriggles and screams not to be tazed he might as well be saying, "please taze me!"

On that note, and back sort of on topic, has anyone found a video of the whole thing yet?

It doesn't make sense to have a police presence close to the microphones that are the closest to the senator? I'm not saying that the student was entirely in the right, but that should have been handled by somebody out of uniform. A professor or administrator of the school that the student recognized and knew. If 3+ officers began to descend upon me with what seems like no warning or prompting I would get freaked out too.

As far as the huge scene he caused? There were SIX police officers. SIX! One guy, being grabbed at from all sides by 6 officers. Excessive force is there WITHOUT using the taser. The initial 2 or 3 officers that were around him was more than enough. And if the situation had been handled properly as I described earlier it would never have escalated.

Right, the thing JLee quoted explains the cops being there because the kid rushed the mic. The thing I don't like is that quote also says he only asked 3 questions, while the news article with the university spokesperson says he asked several questions and had used up his alloted mic time...which he wouldn't have if he actually rushed the microphone.

You are wrong. Sheer force of numbers does not necessarily equate to excessive force.

Nice to know that you're psychic and all...but this guy wasn't behaving rationally. What makes you think that you know what he would do?

My opinion is that the use of force was justified. I've been trained in this, Yecti. Sure, they could've avoided deploying the Taser, but at the risk of causing injury to the subject. Forcefully cuffing someone who is actively resisting can easily result in injury. As strange as it may sound, Tasers can reduce the number of injuries - to both officers and those being tased. I've taken 'the ride' - he'll live.

Everytime I have ever seen somebody resist officers in a video, virtually every officer moves to restrain the guy. If we're really lucky we get to see a baton used. In this case we had to settle with a tazer.

Batons can do a lot more damage than a Taser does - yet the general population seems to be deathly afraid of Tasers. Not that it's a bad thing.. (:P), but it's safer than a baton, and it doesn't have a lasting effect like OC does.

Cops in general can be good, or bad. The majority of the cops in my town are crooked and horrible human beings (yes, I'm talking about them as HUMAN BEINGS) and deserve to be fired/imprisoned. I've heard numerous stories of them doing illegal searches, and the victims are unable to prove that it was illegal. Also heard of them confiscating drugs and using them, and know at least one cop who does/has done coke, and a couple that smoke (weed). While the latter's fairly harmless in and of itself, it's still illegal, and as an authority figure you should be setting a ****ing example. Wanna get high? Don't enforce the ****ing law.

http://video.nbc6.net/player/?id=157250

Longer video. 'tis quite amusing as the crowd cheers when the officers show up..



What does this have to do with the topic..?


Edit: Just listened to the video again - doesn't even sound like he got the full five second ride on the Taser..sounds like they cut it early.

Not much, just backing stat up to a degree. He may hate cops because of the piss-poor cops in jersey (I've heard nightmare stories from some of the people I knew in NH about the cops in jersey), in which case who are you to fault him? If the cops in his town really are horrible people, that doesn't necessarily apply to all cops, but I think it's fairly much inferred he was speaking about the cops he had encountered/knew of.