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Quarterly Massassi gun thread
2007-10-22, 7:13 PM #1
Greetings Massassians,

We are due for a civil firearms discussion thread that will inevitably be turned bad. But I will chance it because I want to talk to some of my favorite internet people.

I'm thinking of buying a Bersa Thunder 380.

[http://world.guns.ru/handguns/bersa_380dlx.jpg]

Does anyone have any experience with these? All reports I'm getting are great. I've considered several similar sized pistols, but this one suits what I want for right now the very best. Or better yet, does anyone have any experience with 380 chambered pistols in general?

And for non gun savvy massassians, you like the look yes?

[http://www.gunblast.com/images/Bersa_Thunder380/Mvc-006f.jpg]
Epstein didn't kill himself.
2007-10-22, 7:26 PM #2
I hate small guns (guns that I can palm) with a passion. My mom recently got a Beretta (I think?) that's very similar to that, chambered in .22. I hate it because I can't hold it comfortably without being afraid of shooting a finger off, and it's got a horrendously long trigger pull.

But you have fun with that, if you like small guns.
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2007-10-22, 7:26 PM #3
I'm not familiar with Bersas - I'm this: || close to picking up a Kahr K9, though..

Zloc - small guns are easier to conceal. However, my dad had a small Beretta that sounds like what you describe - it's a bit small for my liking..
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2007-10-22, 7:28 PM #4
the reports i hear is quality control is a mixed bag... most work just fine but you'll find more guns that have problems than with something from one of the more well known manufacturers... of course this increased chance of reliability comes with a considerable price increase
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2007-10-22, 7:31 PM #5
What is the point in concealing a .22, JLee? My parents are always talking about how "Oh it's a great gun, good for defense since it's so small and easy to conceal." and the whole time I have "It's a .22. It's not going to be able to do more than a small hole, even if you put it in their stomach. And neither of you have a concealed carry license anyway..what the hell?" running through my head.

Bah, I prefer rifles anyway.
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2007-10-22, 7:32 PM #6
Originally posted by DrkJedi82:
the reports i hear is quality control is a mixed bag... most work just fine while you'll find more guns that have problems than with something from one of the more well known manufacturers... of course this increased chance of reliability comes with a considerable price increase


See my hearing (and watching at local ranges) has been that most of these problems come from white box ammo and limp wrists causing short strokes and FTF/FTEs.

IMO, Brand name does not equal quality, as I have fired a lot of piece of **** para ordnance pistols. I don't think I have ever fired a poor glock though. But glocks are like the macs of the pistol world.

JLee, if you buy it be sure to tell me how the K9 turns out.

Zloc, the idea is that this one will fit in my pocket inside a pocket holster. My ideal carry pistol is a .45 G17 or Kimber Pro Carry .45 but I am poor and leaving soon anyway. Also not old enough to carry in most places, so this 380 works out better for me.

As for concealing a .22, a little gun is better than none.
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2007-10-22, 7:38 PM #7
Spook - a Glock 17 is a 9mm. A Glock 21 is a .45. ;)

Originally posted by Zloc_Vergo:
What is the point in concealing a .22, JLee? My parents are always talking about how "Oh it's a great gun, good for defense since it's so small and easy to conceal." and the whole time I have "It's a .22. It's not going to be able to do more than a small hole, even if you put it in their stomach. And neither of you have a concealed carry license anyway..what the hell?" running through my head.

A small gun is better than no gun at all, as Spook said. I carry a Sig (.357Sig) off duty...quite possibly trading it in for the K9, though.
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Bah, I prefer rifles anyway.

Too difficult to hang on my belt. And they scare people. :P
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2007-10-22, 7:41 PM #8
Originally posted by JLee:
Spook - a Glock 17 is a 9mm. A Glock 21 is a .45. ;)


That'll teach me to not know the difference between ugly black guns that all look the same.

Regardless, I have SEEN those things have sand poured in them and still work. Not just heard that saying.

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A small gun is better than no gun at all, as Spook said. I carry a Sig (.357Sig) off duty...quite possibly trading it in for the K9, though.


Most police officers carry a different weapon off duty. I'm unfamiliar with how that works, do you check your duty weapon into an armory or do you just not like it as much as your personal weapon?

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Too difficult to hang on my belt. And they scare people. :P


Nonsense it is perfectly normal to walk down the street with the Mookie War Rifle dangling from a single point sling and my tac vest on. :colbert: :colbert: :colbert:
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2007-10-22, 7:44 PM #9
Originally posted by Spook:
That'll teach me to not know the difference between ugly black guns that all look the same.

Regardless, I have SEEN those things have sand poured in them and still work. Not just heard that saying.

I was issued a Glock 21. I've never really been a fan, but I can't really complain about them, now that I have one...it shoots like a dream. Very well-behaved for a .45.

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Most police officers carry a different weapon off duty. I'm unfamiliar with how that works, do you check your duty weapon into an armory or do you just not like it as much as your personal weapon?

Dude...I'm not big enough to hide a Glock 21. :P I take my duty weapon home, but I want something smaller (smaller than my Sig as well) for off-duty carry.

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Nonsense it is perfectly normal to walk down the street with the Mookie War Rifle dangling from a single point sling and my tac vest on. :colbert: :colbert: :colbert:

:D
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2007-10-22, 7:49 PM #10
Originally posted by JLee:
Dude...I'm not big enough to hide a Glock 21. :P I take my duty weapon home, but I want something smaller (smaller than my Sig as well) for off-duty carry.


:D


That's my big problem. Not only am I not big enough to hide a full frame auto (or revolver, for that matter) but my style of dress doesn't lend itself to that. Say what you will about coordinating your dress around carrying, but a radical change in dress will just point out the fact that I am packing. The bersa doesn't print in my pants with a pocket holster and looks like I have a wallet/pda in there.

And it has the sex factor of looking like a ppk.:ninja:

EDIT:And I wear tight pants sometimes. :D
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2007-10-22, 8:00 PM #11
another option is to look at the surplus market too... while most tend to be larger (you don't need a tiny pistol in war) there are some smaller models out there

i've been looking into the Polish P-64
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2007-10-22, 8:03 PM #12
Originally posted by Zloc_Vergo:
But you have fun with that, if you like small guns.


just not too much fun. D:
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2007-10-22, 8:08 PM #13
Now that I'm 21, I could own a firearm. I'll probably get around to it within a few years.
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2007-10-22, 8:08 PM #14
Originally posted by DrkJedi82:
another option is to look at the surplus market too... while most tend to be larger (you don't need a tiny pistol in war) there are some smaller models out there

i've been looking into the Polish P-64


But...

Utah isn't war.

When I get in theater next year I'm thinking I'm definitely going to get myself some sort of 9mm from a contractor or something. I'll probably get ****ed up but it's not like I have a job that is going to keep me out of the heat.
Epstein didn't kill himself.
2007-10-22, 8:10 PM #15
.357 magnum revolver
2007-10-22, 8:11 PM #16
Originally posted by Mystic0:
.357 magnum revolver


What about it? You have one? You think I should get one (read:pocket) you wank to them?
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2007-10-22, 8:16 PM #17
i'm sorry, i won't be able to give you very good advice about different guns. The revolver seems to me to be the most beautiful and reliable, though this is probobly just my taste. If you are to conceal the gun, maybe you want something like what you posted, though there are small frame revolvers
2007-10-22, 8:20 PM #18
Originally posted by Mystic0:
i'm sorry, i won't be able to give you very good advice about different guns. The revolver seems to me to be the most beautiful and reliable, though this is probobly just my taste. If you are to conceal the gun, though, maybe you want something like what you posted, though there are small frame revolvers


Yeah, S&W makes these really cool aluminum frame revolvers that even have shrouded hammers so they won't catch on clothing.

The thing with revolvers is that the workings are more exposed. With proper care they are nearly 100% reliable, but then again so are autos.

Personal preference, and revolvers are pretty badass in the right usage.
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2007-10-22, 8:33 PM #19
i like old school revolvers... the colt single action and it's clones as well as various military revolvers... one.. well actually two revolvers i want are both the Colt and S&W M1917 revolvers but i don't have that kind of money
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2007-10-22, 8:34 PM #20
Can't say that I've heard of that particular model. I personally wouldn't go with that small a caliber pistol even for a concealed carry. Thats a matter of much debate though. I've just seen reports of people drunk or high on drugs that have taken over 2 dozen rounds from a 9mm and still been able to continue attacking. Its a much debated issue with people who carry, but I personally want at least a .40 cal for the gun I'm going to buy to carry. Smith & Wesson has a really nice .40 cal that I've been looking at and am likely to buy this summer.

Still, as has been said before on this thread, small caliber is better then none.
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2007-10-22, 8:34 PM #21
Glock 39's seem nice and compact.

Anyone own a Nitro Express?

[http://www.sskindustries.com/encore%20page/encore12.gif]

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2007-10-22, 9:15 PM #22
Originally posted by Rogue Leader:
Can't say that I've heard of that particular model. I personally wouldn't go with that small a caliber pistol even for a concealed carry. Thats a matter of much debate though. I've just seen reports of people drunk or high on drugs that have taken over 2 dozen rounds from a 9mm and still been able to continue attacking. Its a much debated issue with people who carry, but I personally want at least a .40 cal for the gun I'm going to buy to carry. Smith & Wesson has a really nice .40 cal that I've been looking at and am likely to buy this summer.

Still, as has been said before on this thread, small caliber is better then none.


Yeah, then again I have seen video of men taking numerious 7.62 russian rounds COM and still coming. And those rounds, while "smaller" than handgun rounds, have much more stopping power.

IMO, shot placement is as important as caliber. Two to center mass, two to the "hydraulics" in the pelvis, and one to the face should at least slow down even a doped attacker. Obviously, making crack shots like these under stress at ranges any bigger than 5m is going to be a huge challenge that is only multiplied by larger less manageable calibers.

I still agree though, since I can personally handle a bigger caliber of gun well.
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2007-10-22, 9:46 PM #23
Originally posted by Spook:
Yeah, then again I have seen video of men taking numerious 7.62 russian rounds COM and still coming. And those rounds, while "smaller" than handgun rounds, have much more stopping power.

IMO, shot placement is as important as caliber. Two to center mass, two to the "hydraulics" in the pelvis, and one to the face should at least slow down even a doped attacker. Obviously, making crack shots like these under stress at ranges any bigger than 5m is going to be a huge challenge that is only multiplied by larger less manageable calibers.

I still agree though, since I can personally handle a bigger caliber of gun well.


Shot placement is more important. Even a .50 BMG won't do much good if you miss. :P

I'll probably go with at least a 9mm - possibly .40, but 9mm would probably be fine.
woot!
2007-10-22, 9:47 PM #24
This thread is disturbing to a pacifist. Not that I have a problem with gun laws. I think they're useless, but I also don't think they're unconstitutional, and thus my law of freedom applies.

That said, I'm in contact with a DNR official to get a gun properly fitted, adjusted, and built for me being unable to bend my neck, use a normal sight, or hold a long barreled rifle. It seems I'm going to have a specially made gun, for free (Because their manufacturer wants to brag and put it in a magazine), with illegal lengths and other features that will make it easier for me to hunt. I am very excited.

Also, I started firing at the range again recently on a friend's free pass. I get nearly unlimited tries at any of the guns I want, and I get clip for pistols, and half a box for rifles. I've only gone once, but I got to fire an MP5 for the first time. Screw you, I only know guns from CSS.
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2007-10-22, 9:51 PM #25
Originally posted by JediKirby:
This thread is disturbing to a pacifist. Not that I have a problem with gun laws. I think they're useless, but I also don't think they're unconstitutional, and thus my law of freedom applies.

That said, I'm in contact with a DNR official to get a gun properly fitted, adjusted, and built for me being unable to bend my neck, use a normal sight, or hold a long barreled rifle. It seems I'm going to have a specially made gun, for free (Because their manufacturer wants to brag and put it in a magazine), with illegal lengths and other features that will make it easier for me to hunt. I am very excited.

Also, I started firing at the range again recently on a friend's free pass. I get nearly unlimited tries at any of the guns I want, and I get clip for pistols, and half a box for rifles. I've only gone once, but I got to fire an MP5 for the first time. Screw you, I only know guns from CSS.


An armed society is a polite society. NH and VT have some of the least restrictive gun laws in the country. Permitless open carry is legal...I fail to see how this thread would be disturbing to a pacifist.

Now, if by pacifist, you mean someone who believes that one shouldn't defend oneself or one's family from violent assault/etc., or that law enforcement should be unarmed, well, then sure. :colbert:
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2007-10-22, 9:54 PM #26
Pacifist in the sense that we shouldn't need these things. I recognize the need to use force when necessary, I just don't like it. Again, I have nothing to argue, because it's really a non-issue. Besides, I really don't want to get into the topic of police with you again. I've had you ignored for that very reason for quite a while.
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2007-10-22, 9:56 PM #27
This talk reminds me of 41 shots. :(
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2007-10-22, 9:56 PM #28
Originally posted by JediKirby:
Pacifist in the sense that we shouldn't need these things. I recognize the need to use force when necessary, I just don't like it. Again, I have nothing to argue, because it's really a non-issue. Besides, I really don't want to get into the topic of police with you again. I've had you ignored for that very reason for quite a while.


lol. Well, put me back on ignore, then. I hadn't noticed. :awesome:
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2007-10-22, 9:57 PM #29
I just don't want to start anything, and I was still hot from our last topic. This is probably PM material, but as long as I try to stay out of your way, I'd appreciate the same.
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2007-10-22, 9:59 PM #30
Originally posted by JediKirby:
I just don't want to start anything, and I was still hot from our last topic. This is probably PM material, but as long as I try to stay out of your way, I'd appreciate the same.


10-5.
woot!
2007-10-22, 10:31 PM #31
Back on topic... how is that gun in the OP even halfway accurate with such a short barrel?
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2007-10-22, 11:22 PM #32
Originally posted by JediKirby:
Pacifist in the sense that we shouldn't need these things. I recognize the need to use force when necessary, I just don't like it. Again, I have nothing to argue, because it's really a non-issue. Besides, I really don't want to get into the topic of police with you again. I've had you ignored for that very reason for quite a while.


Uh oh, someone is important on internet.
2007-10-22, 11:26 PM #33
that pistol has a 3.5" barrel... common barrel length for a full size pistol is 4-5"

i've seen some impressive accuracy achieved with 2" "snub nose" revolvers at 25 yards
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2007-10-22, 11:28 PM #34
uh oh, serious police are here!
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2007-10-22, 11:48 PM #35
Don't you think it's a little ridiculous to announce that you are ignoring or are going to ignore someone?

Doesn't that seem like something a 4 year old might do?

I'm ignoring you! You're a poophead! *fingers in ears* BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH
2007-10-23, 1:39 AM #36
I would buy a gun because it would be cool but I am 90% sure I would shoot myself with it by accident
2007-10-23, 1:57 AM #37
glocks? psh, the civic of handguns. (edit: also, the only glock that doesn't look retarded is probably the glock 19)

1911's all the way. probably going to buy a kimber or a springfield armory custom when my place of residence gets decided. hmm. maybe a USP. thats the only non-1911/2011 i like.

oh, spook, as someone in the military, have you had the pleasure of handling the HK416? i hope they come out with a civilian version in the future...
2007-10-23, 4:00 AM #38
Haven't figured out what I want to start with, but I'm not in that big of a rush due to moving every few months for school. The only thing I do know is that it won't be a revolver. Not balanced well, don't like it.

And I'm from Florida, so we've got pretty lax gun laws there, too.
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2007-10-23, 7:11 AM #39
Due to the society we currently live in, your best bet would be to invest in a PDW.
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2007-10-23, 8:23 AM #40
Should be at least this long
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