The irony here is he thinks he's increasing freedom but he's really reducing it

That's precisely my point.

Let me be frank here, and I hope it doesn't get me banned, I feel the need to say it anyway and I'll delete it if necessary. You would never in a million years put anyone out of business because you understand about as much about business as I understand about quantum physics. Or less.

Under your system, different people own different roads. the hours of research would come in researching who owns what roads you would have to travel and what their different qualifications are.

Also, please don't talk about market segments like you're aware of how they work. As a Marketing Communications and Business major, I can promise you I understand a whole lot more about market segments and not fitting into one does not mean that you are a freak by any stretch. "Consumer groups" don't work that way. And by that I mean businesses don't ban people who don't belong in their target market ("consumer group") from using their product, they just don't market towards you if you don't belong to their consumer group. You're discussing all out banning.

Also: who is paying for this? how are these people making money?

Do people who have been in a car accident need to go to work too? How about the 16 year old girl who is trying to save up for college because her parents won't help her pay for it. Does she get to go to work? Your proposal has absolutely no practical application.

Your freedom of road ownership comes at a terrible price:



One I'm not willing to pay.

That's right.

If we have idiots like you buying up pieces of road and slapping inane restrictions on them pertaining to who can use them, it will NEVER happen.

Actually I think we should keep our current system and make sure YOU stay out of the business.

Two thoughts: confusing as **** and beauracracy-choked morass.

Then do it. You don't have to pay taxes if you have no income.

Stop using our currency! I bet you bought food recently with USD

I'm assuming you're going under the idea that consumers benefit through competition. If one company owns all of the roads in the country, there is no competition and it's the exact same thing as the government ownership only worse, because they can raise prices through the roof (consumers have no other alternatives) and people still can't get to where they need to go.

Any way you cut it, no practical application.

Basically, you want to move. From the sound of it, the only place that would suit you, and that wouldn't have the big bad government interfering with your life, is some lonely spot in the middle of the forest. Find your little scrap of forest and stop complaining.

Not everyone would sell out to the mega-corporation. I sure as hell wouldn't. Therefore, different sections of road have different restrictions and you have to spend way too much time researching your route.

We do have that. The single firm is called the government.

Mystic, pray tell what exactly the government is liable for?

How on earth would a single company owning the roads be any more competitive?

Why are you trying to discuss business? Honestly and truly, stop. You don't understand even the most basic concepts.

Though I could ask myself why am I wasting my time when I planned on going to bed over 30 minutes ago?

Sigh..

Actually I would say the maniac that kills people is liable for that.

What about personal responsibility? All you want to do is shift blame onto someone else. All you think about is liabilities. Well let me clue you in on something: liablity is an artificial concept exploited by an overly-litigious society. You are responsible for what you do, period.

Your crazy system doesn't make sense in the physical world. There is no way you can possibly hold the owner of a road accountable for a car crash. Any logic you may try to use will not cut it. It's not his fault a bunch of morons crashed into each other. Period.

.....wow, just wow.

There's a reason we don't use your system. That's because it sucks.

what exactly are you proposing smashed into your car on its own accord? Are you sure you didn't run into something? Because that's still your fault.

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Seriously, you suck. Your system sucks. I am pretty much completely speechless right now. You are a moron.

What I'm trying to figure out is how the wires in someone's brain could become so crossed?

Mystic0, do everyone a favor. Talk your theory over on someone who would be knowledgeable on the subject. I don't mean your friend or relative who knows a lot about it, I mean talk to a professor or something. Then come back. Please.

Being in this "debate" is, coincidentally, like watching a car accident. You can't seem to remove yourself from it, but it's so terrible it almost makes you hurt.

I believe you are the one complaining about it, not us.

I'M NOT

of the millions of car accidents that happen, you would have a hard time selling your idea to 10 people.

Yes, it's really a shame.

I would forgive him because unlike you I understand that ACCIDENTS HAPPEN. AND THAT ACCIDENTS ARE CAUSED BY HUMAN ERROR. Not some government conspiracy! It's just physics..

What do you call someone who has no concept of the logistics behind what they're proposing, insists upon things he has no understanding of, and is too unimaginative to think about how it would affect everyone around them?

.

*sigh*

Freelancer, why even bother? Truly. get some sleep if you're in a similar timezone. That's my plan anyway.

Because the current government system doesn't blindly hold landowners accountable for every bad thing that happens on their land? I'd rather live with a bit of coersion than be held wrongly accountable for something that is someone else's problem.

(yeah I know I said I was going, one quick point) The government does not steal money. You give it money in exchange for all of the protection and rights that come with being a citizen. If you feel that the exchange is not adequate, you move to another country.

Hey Mystic0 did you ever see the episode of Family Guy where Peter seceded his property from the United States? Maybe that's what we should all do. As long as we don't overstep our bounds and try to annex our neighbour's pool we should be fine.

What happens if, say, I point a gun at your head and say "give me all your money or I'll kill you"?

I mean assuming you do give me the money, then you won't be able to hire security to get me because you'll have no money. And if you don't give me money, then I kill you, then I'm still going to get away with it because you won't be alive to hire security.

EDIT: Okay you expanded on your original response.

Anyways, another question:

Is your main problem with taxes the fact that you're forced to pay for services that you don't use, or that you think they're fundamentally wrong? Would you be satisfied if you could opt-out from paying taxes for things you don't want? Like, say, you might think that the Iraq war is a bad idea and so you would choose not to pay into that.

Admittedly an opt-out system has a lot of glaring flaws but it's an interesting idea.

Mystico, if you really hate our Monopolistic government that makes roads in order to kill you, why don't you leave? Cuba or Iran or China have different governments, and they'd love to have you. Go there and complain, at least then you'd have a receptive audience to your noncoherent ramblings.

Funny, I could have sworn I told you Mystic to cut this crap out.

Um, what was the violation? I mean, we had ramblings on Massassi before. Like from SF_Gold_01.

I keep thinking he's just doing satire.

Obviously's because conversations that aren't totally related to the original topic are totally b&4life.

Seriously though..


It was an interesting read?

Because I told him to stop ranting about the most inane, psychotic things. And he ignored it, so there ya go. I don't really think he was being satirical, and even if he was doing a poor job of it.

No wire coat hangers. EVER.