I said many, not majority.

Didn't I? D:

Wow. Hey, I have an idea. Check this out.

In future every time i'm wrong I'm going to just say I was using an idiom that you weren't aware of.

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It's just an idiom.

Huckabee is insane, and McCain is retarded

Haha, that's funny. To be fair it's obviously a slip of the tongue. =

The McCain comment reminds me of the hooplah about Obama saying, "President of Canada".

Whoop dee doo.

Any given value held by a member of a predominantly Christian society will probably in some way be influenced by Christianity. It's pretty unthinkable that a person's culture would have no effect on his values.

Many of your values are somewhat influenced by Christianity. Again, this is splitting straws.

We were endowed by our Creator with certain unalienable rights.

Note that doesn't say God, Jesus, Yahweh, Allah, Buddah, Xenu. Nowhere in the Declaration of Independence or the U.S. Constitution is "God" ever mentioned. **** the pledge of allegiance didn't have God in it until the 1950s so that we may distance ourselves from those eeeeeevil Reds. The United States was not founded on Christian principles. It is not a "Christian nation"

Never did I say that the US was founded based on Christian principles. But I do believe religious principles had their influence.



No. It says Creator. I suppose you are going to indicate this has something other than a religious implication?


And JG, this is not about Christianity. This is not about whether or not the US is solely based off religious principles. This is about whether or not any religion had any kind of influence.


Edit: Actually, (on a personal level :P) this about me trying to slaughter the factually incorrect statement "Most of the founding fathers hated religion. They were deists at best." that many tend to argue.

The only Amendment that I can think of that had some Christianty ties would be the 18th Amendment (Prohibition) and we know just how WELL that turned out.

Lesse:
1: Five basic freedoms for all of humankind that cannot be repealed which includes Religion. You can practice whatever you please so long as I'm not forced to practice your religion...Europe anyone?

2: Bear arms: To keep a well armed citizenry so that they may defend against any usurper of the goverment and establish tyranny.

(I'm not seeing the Christian connection yet)

3: Quartering of soldiers in your home w/o permission: If you hung out around some roudy USMC soldiers, this is a GOOD THING.

4: Searches & Seizures must have a writ from the court otherwise, law can't do ****. Yeah you MIGHT draw a parallel to "thou shalt not steal" but it's uber flimzy. A society wouldn't function if people kept stealing crap.

5: Double Jeopardy False confessions were tortured out of you by either the state or the Church so that they can proudly proclaim "We got the evil sinner!"

6: Speedy trial/Trial by Jury The magistrate or the bishop condemed you on the spot

I'm still not seeing the Christian influence and these are the core values in which we all hold dear.

Ah but they'd try to find those bits and pieces that justify the use of such measures.

Excuse me if I question a candidate that will be in charge of our army, which should know who the leader of Russia is.

It's Dmitri Shostakovich! :ussr:

I'm still not seeing where you're actually reading posts.

And you also apparently believe that something's influence means it is written in huge, bold letters directly into law?

Again, this is not about Christianity. In fact, take Christianity out of the picture and let's follow a deist's POV. The concept that our rights were derived from Creator is stated quite clearly by good ol' TJ. Your thoughts? Let's discuss this one step at a time.

Furthermore, I stick by my belief that government shouldn't be run by religion or religious beliefs.

Would you state, then, that Obama is retarded?

No. Who cares about Canada?

(Edit: you do realize I'm joking about the whole thing?)

I especially enjoy how you fail to acknowledge that you are wrong and ill-informed. Also, it is hilarious to be attacked about "open mindedness" by you of all people.

Of course I realize that.

Now.

Internets!
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My opinion was explained clearly and has been agreed with by some. If you disagree, fine. No big deal to me. I have always demonstrated my open mindedness here. Not sure why you don't think so or why you take my statement as an "attack". No big deal to me, either.

...I don't think you were in the same ball park when you replied to his post.

Open Mindedness isn't just in the realm of letting people have their opinion. Being open minded is opening your mind to the possibility of other truths than your own.

Which the vast majority of people claiming to be open minded don't.

"Open minded" has become a useless term which is exchanged at the end of a debate to try to gain the moral high ground.

Sorry, that's great and all, but it's not a matter of opinion, it's a fact that a) you are using the term "legal system" incorrectly and b) our legal system is not religiously based.

Yeah... ignore everybody seems to be a reasonable solution.

Er...no. The "Creator" is mentioned in the Declaration of Independence, which is not a legal document of the U.S. but a rallying for support of cutting off ties to the Crown. The Constitution on the other hand states that the people and natural law are where rights come from.

Of course, what natural law is, and where it comes from is up to the people to decide as far as our laws go.

It's always been that way.

The issue is that many people seem to equate differing values with not being open minded. Typically, here, it is a religious or conservative person who is considered to not be open minded. I consider myself open minded because I am willing to learn from the knowledge of others as well as consider the opinions of others. I also don't attack people for their differing values or beliefs and I often state my opinions on why I can understand why certain people or groups would hold a certain belief and consider the opinion as valid whether I agree with it or not.