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No words for this..
2008-02-29, 2:37 PM #1
http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/02/29/girl.in.box.ap/index.html

Seriously, I can't even comment on how disturbing this is. Poor girl. :(
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2008-02-29, 2:44 PM #2
Like i said, The other other white meat
2008-02-29, 2:45 PM #3
That is well screwed up. Anyone else find it creepier that he said he felt instantly sick when he hit her and she said "sorry", but continued to do what he did? It's more disturbing to me even than if he had been remorseless.

Purcell, OK. Egh...
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2008-02-29, 2:50 PM #4
Great, now I'm going to have more Albert Fish nightmares. :tinfoil:
My blawgh.
2008-02-29, 2:52 PM #5
Originally posted by Tiberium_Empire:
Like i said, The other other white meat

Ah, it's good to see you growing into such a mature and stable human being. Not really the kind of situation for shock humor, kiddo.

I don't believe he felt sick, or he would still feel sick.
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2008-02-29, 2:54 PM #6
Wow, how ****ed up do you have to be... :smith:
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2008-02-29, 4:38 PM #7
I now support the death penalty.
2008-02-29, 5:31 PM #8
Originally posted by JM:
I now support the death penalty.


this
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2008-02-29, 5:52 PM #9
Originally posted by Tiberium_Empire:
Like i said, The other other white meat


Did you have to, have to, say that?

I wonder what that man is thinking, why he did it. Can anyone who does such evil actions truly be sane in their thoughts?
2008-02-29, 9:12 PM #10
Originally posted by Tiberium_Empire:
Like i said, The other other white meat


Someone died a horrible death! Look at me! So funny! What an excellent time to show everyone how awesome and witty I am. :rolleyes:

Anyway, I do think this is a a good application of the death penalty. I think it's a good idea to keep the death penalty on the books for situations like this where the evidence is overwhelming and the crime is especially awful.

Originally posted by Reid:

I wonder what that man is thinking, why he did it. Can anyone who does such evil actions truly be sane in their thoughts?



I think that sort of insanity is something you drive yourself into. Indulging screwed up selfish desires becomes a vicious cycle into madness. It's something that is totally distinct from brain damage or retardation.
2008-02-29, 10:17 PM #11
At least the gruesome stuff happened after she was dead. The man's sick, but the girl merely suffocated. I'm CERTAINLY not saying anything was okay, or not as bad as it seems, I'm just saying that she didn't have to live through being raped or having her head sawed off.
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2008-02-29, 10:22 PM #12
Lexapro? It seems so common for medication to be involved in these high-profile crimes.

But has there been any crimes where prescribed medication was a direct catalyst for a murderer's drive to murder? It appears more like an excuse for something to fall back on.
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2008-02-29, 10:26 PM #13
And I don't see why people are so happy toward the death penalty. The guy is 28, he has a lot of time to rot in prison. He's going to die anyway one day, no?
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2008-03-01, 12:20 AM #14
Nah, don't waste tax payer's money on keeping his sorry but alive in a cell. Better to just off the ******* and rid the world of sickos like him.


...and thus beings the death penalty debate...


/me was here
/runs
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2008-03-01, 12:22 AM #15
Originally posted by SavageX378:
Nah, don't waste tax payer's money on keeping his sorry but alive in a cell. Better to just off the ******* and rid the world of sickos like him.


Why? It costs millions of dollars to execute a prisoner. It's much more efficient to simply tell the other inmates what he did. People who do this sort of thing don't stay in jail for very long, if you get me.
2008-03-01, 12:33 AM #16
They put them in special confinement in America, which as I recall costs more money.
2008-03-01, 1:04 AM #17
Well, she deserved it.
2008-03-01, 1:17 AM #18
Originally posted by Weavile:
Well, she deserved it.


Like you deserve the super forever ban you're sure to have now earned.
2008-03-01, 1:18 AM #19
Originally posted by Rob:
Like you deserve the super forever ban you're sure to have now earned.

There were so many things she could have done instead of living in fear. As the jedi teach, you shouldn't be afraid of the opressers, you should stand up and fight.
2008-03-01, 1:19 AM #20
I am opposed to the death penalty, but I don't want to get into that debate here.

This is truly awful. Drugs or not, he belongs in prison for life.
Why do the heathens rage behind the firehouse?
2008-03-01, 1:46 AM #21
Why does it cost millions to execute someone?
2008-03-01, 2:06 AM #22
Originally posted by Vincent Valentine:
Why does it cost millions to execute someone?


Appeals.
2008-03-01, 2:21 AM #23
Originally posted by Vincent Valentine:
Why does it cost millions to execute someone?


http://deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?scid=7&did=918

Originally posted by Weavile:
As the jedi teach,
As the crappy, flat characters created by the fat bearded dude in the plaid shirt for his campy, derivative story teach,

Originally posted by TheCarpKing:
I am opposed to the death penalty, but I don't want to get into that debate here.
How can you be against the death penalty in all situations? I hate it when people take a complicated issue and try to make it into an all-or-nothing situation. Despite what FOX NEWS tells you, the real world doesn't work that way.

People who commit capital offenses are broken. They are damaged, and can't be repaired. Like this man: no matter what he says, he doesn't feel any remorse about his crime. He didn't want to kill the little girl, after all: his medicine did. He also felt really bad about hitting her, but at that point he had already gone too far so he just had to suffocate her and then rape and then mutilate the corpse. It was the medicine's fault! And when life gives you little girl corpses, you make little girl corpseade!

:downs:

This is a man who is the very living definition of a high-risk repeat offender. We can't fix his brain. We can't release him the way he is. We can't put him in the "normal" prison because the other inmates would take justice on him. So that gives us two choices: Put him in solitary confinement forever or kill him, either option having the exact same end result and (unfortunately) the exact same cost.


Also, if you don't think High Treason should be a crime punishable by death, you should probably think about going back and retaking high school history because I think you missed a couple of chapters.
2008-03-01, 3:12 AM #24
Oh, say does that star-spangled banner yet wave
O'er the land of the Dahmer free and the home of the Wayne Gacy brave?
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2008-03-01, 5:26 AM #25
Originally posted by Rob:
Like you deserve the super forever ban you're sure to have now earned.


Weavile = Definotely Not Spe

I dare to guess.
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2008-03-01, 5:26 AM #26
Quote:
There were so many things she could have done instead of living in fear.
There is something wrong with you. I don't know if it's because you didn't bother to read it, or just because you're demented. But it's a problem.
2008-03-01, 5:33 AM #27
Originally posted by Jon`C:
People who commit capital offenses are broken. They are damaged, and can't be repaired.

Theoretically, the brain is probably plastic enough that this isn't true...but that's another discussion and none of us (I mean no one) actually knows enough about neuropsychology to say for sure.

Anyways, like you said, just put him in prison and the rest will kind of work itself out...
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2008-03-01, 6:10 AM #28
Originally posted by Emon:
Theoretically, the brain is probably plastic enough that this isn't true...
Theoretically, fixing the brain of a person who says "It's not my fault I murdered the little girl, it was my medication's fault! Also there happened to be a corpse there so I guess I raped it and mutilated it when I was done, no big" would probably require such a significant change that the original person technically wouldn't exist anymore, so I figure it's a safer bet to cut out the middle man.
2008-03-01, 8:31 AM #29
Originally posted by Jon`C:
Why? It costs millions of dollars to execute a prisoner. It's much more efficient to simply tell the other inmates what he did. People who do this sort of thing don't stay in jail for very long, if you get me.


Not this time, I bet. The jury took ten minuets to decide on the death penalty. But yeah, if they just put him in prison he's probably get snuffed out with in a week.
2008-03-01, 9:18 AM #30
They should feed him to something... maybe a horny baboon.
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2008-03-01, 9:31 AM #31
Holy hell.

I'd be okay with life in prison..with the general population..
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2008-03-01, 9:43 AM #32
Originally posted by Jon`C:
How can you be against the death penalty in all situations?


It's actually rather easy. I'm not saying some people don't deserve to die; I'm just saying the state shouldn't get involved in killing them. While I'd feel no guilt at all if the person in this case were to die a brutal death, in practice the death penalty just doesn't work. It does not serve as an effective deterrent to crime, and whether or not a person gets the death penalty is not really determined by the severity of the crime. For every abhorrent case along the lines of this where the perpetrator got life in prison, there's someone else who got death for a much less shocking crime (not to mention the many innocents who have been executed or come close). The best predictors of whether or not someone gets the death penalty are their income and the victim's race. It's all about how good a lawyer you have. So while some people do deserve to die, it's better to just throw them in prison forever rather than maintaining a special and deeply flawed system for them.
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2008-03-01, 9:48 AM #33
Originally posted by TheCarpKing:
It's actually rather easy. I'm not saying some people don't deserve to die; I'm just saying the state shouldn't get involved in killing them. While I'd feel no guilt at all if the person in this case were to die a brutal death, in practice the death penalty just doesn't work. It does not serve as an effective deterrent to crime, and whether or not a person gets the death penalty is not really determined by the severity of the crime. For every abhorrent case along the lines of this where the perpetrator got life in prison, there's someone else who got death for a much less shocking crime (not to mention the many innocents who have been executed or come close). The best predictors of whether or not someone gets the death penalty are their income and the victim's race. It's all about how good a lawyer you have. So while some people do deserve to die, it's better to just throw them in prison forever rather than maintaining a special and deeply flawed system for them.


Thats the key part...

I don't think they should allow life in prison. I think we spend too much money in our tax dollars supporting those people. They should be tortured and murdered inhumanely just as they did to the people they attacked. This way it instills fear in other would be offenders, as well as keeps prison costs down. Keep prison for those who CAN get out someday.
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2008-03-01, 10:09 AM #34
This all depends on what you hold as moral axioms. I believe it better to withhold punishment on a criminal than punish an innocent. Therefore since we can never be absolutely sure of guilt I find it hard to justify taking an absolute measure like the death penalty.

Keep the criminals alive, not for them but for those who don't deserve to be there in the first place. Especially if the cost of keeping them is about the same as executing them. Both will end in death (assuming it's a true life sentence) but one offers hope for the wrongly convicted.
2008-03-01, 11:25 AM #35
Originally posted by Echoman:
Weavile = Definotely Not Spe

I dare to guess.


...Are you serious?
nope.
2008-03-01, 11:45 AM #36
Originally posted by Jon`C:
I hate it when people take a complicated issue and try to make it into an all-or-nothing situation.


Originally posted by Jon`C:
People who commit capital offenses are broken. They are damaged, and can't be repaired.


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2008-03-01, 12:52 PM #37
Yeah, it's not that complected. This guy is screwed up beyond repair. (Even if you could, he still needs to be punished.)

Originally posted by Recusant:
This all depends on what you hold as moral axioms. I believe it better to withhold punishment on a criminal than punish an innocent. Therefore since we can never be absolutely sure of guilt I find it hard to justify taking an absolute measure like the death penalty.

Keep the criminals alive, not for them but for those who don't deserve to be there in the first place. Especially if the cost of keeping them is about the same as executing them. Both will end in death (assuming it's a true life sentence) but one offers hope for the wrongly convicted.


Doesn't that assume that people who are innocent will be exonerated? I agree if it's not provable beyond the shadow of a doubt, but you get to a point where the chances that the verdict will fall weather for right or wrong are pretty much nil for all intents and purposes. I outside of a couple of philosophical presuppositions you can't really know anything for sure, ever. That doesn't stop you from living your life.

To be honest, I'd rather see fewer punishments involving jail time. If your going to separate someone from society, just execute them and be done with it. Confining them to a small area for the rest of their lives is just inhumane.
2008-03-01, 1:02 PM #38
Originally posted by Obi_Kwiet:
If your going to separate someone from society, just execute them and be done with it. Confining them to a small area for the rest of their lives is just inhumane.


Definitely not all people think that, but personally I'd rather get the death penalty than life in prison, anyday.
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2008-03-01, 1:39 PM #39
1 out of every 100 Americans is currently in prison.

This country spends 4 times as much on its jail system than it does education.
2008-03-01, 1:53 PM #40
So what do we do? Not enforce our laws? Fine them for money they won't pay?
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