my friend was vegetarian, so I followed

then he stopped but now i'm stuck and cant even think about eating meat without losing my appetite. |:

last summer i damn near ate some pepperoni pizza but my ex stole it

Also, I have been told that if I start eating meat I will **** the rainbow.

It is normal in some cultures for men to be vegetarian. See: Most of India. In fact, even orthodoxed abrahamic religious have laws in sacred text for making certain sacrafices and types of meat kosher.

Hell, most people in Europe couldn't afford meat for centuries.

However, people that eat meat have more testosterone than those who don't, so I could see a connotation.

I still find it normal for anyone to not eat meat.

Love reading things out of context.

Your body is naturally designed for a varied diet consisting of both plants and meat.

Your body is naturally designed to be able to thrive on a wide range of diets, ranging from completely plant-based to (almost?) completely meat-based.

Assuming you live in a futuristic technological utopia where you can import exotic and nutrient-rich plant matter.


My ancestors were from northern Europe. Hmm yes I'm positive there were many soy beans to eat.



Edit: I've never seen any evidence that meat eaters have more testosterone, but a lot of the meat substitutes that vegetarians have to stuff in their craw contain proteins that emulate estrogen. I don't think that's why most of them look girly though. v:)v

I remember we used to put sugar on our tomatoes occasionally when I was a young'n.

I've never even heard of salt on watermelons...

but now that I have, I am intrigued. I will have to try it this summer.

Fake meats are also gross. I eat black beans and also a lot of hummus.

Beans are awesome.

lol salt on watermellon who does that? I only put watermellon on my salt, anything else is barbaric.

By meat substitute I refer to plants that contain the nutrients to prevent vegetarians from keeling over and dying like the natural world says they should.


So black beans from Brazil and chickpeas from the Middle East. Gotcha. Anything from northern Europe keeping you alive?

Melon (usually not watermelon, though) wrapped in prosciutto is a pretty common antipasto.

SOME of India. Maybe 20% of the population (IIRC) are vegetarian out of principle, the rest eat meat when they get the chance. Most people would eat meat regularly if they could afford it and the ones that don't usually suffer from malnutrition from a lack of high-quality proteins.

maybe they'd have more meat if they didn't worship cows, am i right?

To be fair, we do the same thing in this country, too.

See: Oprah.

This is one of the most bull**** claims pushed by vegetarians that has no basis in fact and only gets any credence because people don't bother thinking it through.

Records from across Europe (from France to the Byzantine Empire) in the Middle Ages state that people ate more meat than they do today. In certain times and places the majority of a person's calories would come from meat. This makes sense, meat can raised all year round, can feed a lot of people and can be stored. Preparation like ham, bacon, corned beef, stew, cassoulet and countless others all come from ways to store extend the shelf-life of meat.

You can eat whatever you want to, but that doesn't mean you should listen to the propaganda.

Out of respect, this is new to me. And I being the ever loving historian, would like to see where you found this.

Lots of vegans only eat vegetables and fruits, and usually none eat anything else. A lot of Daoist do this as well, and Buddhist.

Also, about your previous comment about the testosterone, if you took a blood test and compared it to mine, you would see a higher level of it in yours. My doctor told me that when I became a vegetarian, and actually said that I went from borderline diabetic to one healthy SOB, and proceded to ask me what I did to change that.

Also, I would like to see how you know that as well (refering to the estrogen), just out of curiousity.

eat my food you grazing chumps

D:

Which brings up another question. Why all the hostility to vegetarians? Why the hell do you, or any of you really care?

because you aren't a real manly man unless you have a primerib dangling from your mouth, a turkey leg in one hand, a rack of lamp in the other and you're dancing on brocolli with metal cleets.

because your a ******? i dunno heres a debate about the pros and cons of eating a certain type of food:

One source is Food in Medieval England: Diet and Nutrition from the University of Southampton and University College. The rest I don't have on hand, but the information was from a top guy in medieval history. The research is all new, only published in the last two years or so.

As for the religious reasons, that's straight bunk. The only mainstream Abrahamic religion that endorses vegetarianism is Catholicism on Lenten Fridays. Judaism and Islam both vegetarianism as a poor decision and denying of God's gift.

The vast, vast majority of Buddhist laypeople eat meat and are only vegetarian on feast days. Even monks will usually eat fish or fish based products. Theravada and Tibetan monks eat meat.

Jain and Buddhist vegetarians will not eat root vegetables.

I don't know why forced vegetarianism is even brought into the argument. These people are not healthy, and do not eat a varied diet. Most of them survive on a grain source (rice, cassava or maize) alone. Even the ones who are more capable of eating a varied diet usually get their protein from bugs and snails rather than livestock animals. People who don't have a constant source of meat will usually make do with preserved meat and stocks.

And the environmental argument for vegetarian is even stupider, while it does help, buying purely local and sustainable is a much better idea. It's hilarious the number of vegetarians who say they're doing the planet a favor and then buy products like arrowroot and agave nectar which need to be shipped in from another continent.

I also don't see why people care. I don't give a **** about people eating meat, yet I receive crap all the time for not eating it. And I'm not so sure its less healthy. I've had bloodtests and checkups with doctors and they said I was completely normal and my diet was fine. Also, don't even start about the shipping thing.. meat eaters eat stuff shipped from all over too, so how is it any worse?

Um, meat tends to come from local slaughterhouses, or at least slaughterhouses in your own state. It requires a truck and a few hours of driving to transport it to your local market. Things like soy beans, oranges, strawberries, etc etc are often grown in very specific states that have the ideal growing conditions for those plants and often require multiple trucks and sometimes driving half-way across the country to deliver to your local market.

I'm just trying to counter untrue rhetoric being thrown around.



Well, then you can thank Jesus that you live in a country where you can make frivolous choices about what you eat and not worry about dying or malnutrition.



It's not any worse, but it's not any better.

Thanks, I'll look into that book, it does sound interesting.

I personally think meat is kind of gross. Just thinking that what I'm eating used to be a living, moving part of some creature is slightly disturbing for me. I still eat it though, although I do prefer chicken a lot more than beef.

Also, if the world cut it's meat consumption in half, global warming would no longer be an issue.

Eh, I'd rather eat steak and have a ****ty planet to live on.

****...mmm...steak...

Or there could be a restructing of the subsidy system in order to give money to locally owned sustainable agriculture instead of giants like Cargill and Conagra, and tax breaks for companies who buy these products.

Of course, that's not going to happen. Instead, we'll mass farm until there's some environmental crisis and then be forced to eat Nutritive-Enhanced Biomush® (majority stock ownership by Conagra) until we can create an artificial farming system or terraform Mars.

There's a lot of things we should do.

Ironically, the one thing we're doing to correct global warming is actually causing far more harm than good. Converting grain to biofuels is jacking up the price of food around the world, leaving people hungry and other with empty pockets. The real kicker is that currently it's so inefficient that the deforestation required to grow more corn is doing more damage to the global climate than just using fossil fuels in the first place.

The amount of corn required to fill an SUV's gas tank is enough for one person to live on for an entire year.

Global Cooling is worse than Global Warming.

Yeah, uh-huh. Cooling, warming, whatever. Either way we're doing harm to the planet and we need to start being the stewards of the earth.

Don't you live near the desert? You do know how it was formed, don't you?


This planet has been here some six billion years. Do you REALLY think that extending it's life time for a few hundred, or thousand years is really that big of a deal.

This planet is perfectly capable of doing much worse harm to itself in a much shorter amount of time.

Yes, I know that. The magnetic poles are due for a reversal. Yellowstone has been overdue for quite a while. There's tons of things that could happen. But who knows? Maybe if we can correct global climate change we can delay catastrophe long enough for people to colonize other planets. "The world is going to end anyway" is a pretty pathetic excuse for not taking action.

This.

I'm probably going to have to start eating the damned stuff again next year.. I don't imagine I'll have the luck of landing a job on a boat with vegetarian food.

There's an entire chapter about phytoestrogens in Endocrine Disruptors: Effects on Male and Female Reproductive Systems and I believe the book is available for free on Google Books. Vegetarians are left dealing with the fact that they aren't eating enough cholesterol, and all of their limited cholestrol sources are full of endocrine disruptors.

Nom nom nom that's a good bean paste