no, I was saying that if you forced companies to reduce trade with china, wal-mart, one of your nations largest companies (which has lots of people who rely on their job there) would face troubles, which given wal-marts level of care for their own employees, there would probably be numerous layoffs, which is something that I realy dont think that you would want to happen.

and to kirby, just how is a nation that doesnt give its people an inherant right (or for that matter, I dont even think the general population even has the ability to own legaly at all) to own a firearm can undergo a successful revolution? Not to mention, this started out as a discussion about Tibet, in which there are people who have a genuine reason to protest, how do you think the government would react if there were to be a large scale attempt to overthrow them. They would most likely do something that might even make tianamen (sp?) square look minor in comparison.

And if by some miracle (as that is what it would take to overthrow a government with such a large AND LOYAL military) they managed to succeed, what makes you think that the situation would get any better? becuase seriously, the USA is pretty much the only recent example of a revolution that ended with things getting better (or at least, not getting worse, as there is little unbiased history of how the US was pre independance that can show that it was any worse before the unrest started). In fact, most groups that would have the ability to overthrow a government are not the types that do it for the good of the people, they are the types who do it because they want power.

Also, I ask you why you think that the Chinese people would blame their government for the bad things that would happen as a result of reducing trade? Because I seriously think that they would most likely blame the country that enacted those restrictions, especialy since that blame would be getting handed out non-stop by the government controlled media (seriously, if you want to know what it would be like, think about a news program that would make fox news seem fair in comparison).

so what you're saying is that you don't have smarts

Diego Maradona refuses to carry Olympic torch - Times Online

Wow. Did we just attract the attention of China through all our *****ing?

Please read this and stop making random judgement calls. China couldn't afford to do what they do to their people if we didn't give them the money to do it. You basically prove, time and time again, that you don't understand China's inner workings, communism, or revolutions.

what i want to know is why you think that a government needs money to oppress it's people. I mean, north korea is pretty much as cut off as you can get, yet it has amoung the worst human rights record on earth. Don't bother saying stuff about how Kim Jong Il is rich, because he spends his money on himself instead of his people. Granted he has the advantage of the personality cult to avoid revolutions, but it shows that one doesnt need to be a rich nation with lots of trade to oppress your people. In fact, the nations with the worst human rights records tend to do very little international trade at all.

also, the french royalty did not have a large army that included things like heavy artilery and a whole lot of tanks. you can not compair an almost 300 year old revolt and assume a simmilar thing would happen today with the same results even though the armarment gap is far greater than it was for france.

Who signed up specificly for this?

wow, damn i am slow, I didnt realize that it was a spambot till TE pointed it out, I thought Rob's comment was one of his usual comments of randomness.

But on the article, I doubt there is any problem finding someone else to take his place, as being a tourchbearer is something that is hard to be.

How many people are there in North Korea?

[Also, way to not read the article]

-from wiki
2007 estimate 23,301,725[2] (48th)

How many people are in China?

how about you answer a question first.

What is the cost of oppressing a person? Make sure that you take into account the differant cultures in differant areas of china, and that some people are not going to be oppressed, usualy the rich types and military types. Also, remember to take into account the remote communities that havent had western cultural ideals penetrate into their area, so you dont need to spend as much money on them to keep them adequetly opressed.

Then there are the poorer communities that lie far away from any major governmental institution, and therefor pose little danger to the integrity of the party.

Then, find out areas that are stable, but are near areas that are slightly unstable, and make sure to spend a bit more than average on the unstable area to stop the subversion from spreading, and you will save money in the long run.

Also, to save money, cut down on services given to your people.


disclaimer: even though it should be BLINDINGLY ****ING OBVIOUS that i do not support doing this, i give a disclaimer that I DO NOT SUPPORT DOING THIS, I AM JUST SHOWING KIRBY HOW YOU DONT NEED LOTS OF MONEY TO OPRESS PEOPLE.

spambot? No!

Hu Jintao blocks many websites,but yours has been OK to Beijing.

I wonder why

its so the chinese people can see that we are brutal and hegemonistic

So how do you pay a police force if an entire city riots? How do you defend yourself if you have no money and a country invades to stop you from your oppression? How do you stop people from the party itself from overthrowing you? How do you make money if you don't have enough money to keep people working?

You seem to think money grows on trees. You also seem to think China LIKES oppressing people, instead of realizing that they profit off of the oppression. As soon as the money stops flowing, they'll either have to raise quality of living, or be overthrown.