Well there is alot to talk about, especially with the controversies. It's a textbook example of how an online game can go from huge potential to absolute mess.

I wish they'd make a new Star Wars MMO. Hell, pull an Everquest and make Galaxies II.

So much potential, and yet they decided to let about 1/5 of the player population be Jedi.

Wasn't KOTOR3 that was announced going to be an MMO?


The only bug I remember from KOTOR was getting caught on surfaces and then un-snagging and suddenly moving 50 feet.

Hearing Bastila's melancholy theme sure brings back memories. Is Knights of the Old Republic II worth it? I read that it was rushed and that the plot wasn't too good according to some people?

They also haven't covered:

The Rogue Squadron series
Star Wars Chess
Masters of Teras Kasi
Droid Works

Even here you'll find mixed opinions. I have both and have played both. I didn't think #2 was nearly as fun/grand/captivating as the first.

Can you tell me why you feel that way, Chewbubba? Like what did you feel was wrong about the game when compared to the first without going into major plot spoilers?

Crippling bugs and unfinished story. I'm 99% sure that someone just came into the office half way through the development and said, "You have to ship now." So they basically burnt the latest build on to a CD and used it as the gold disk.

You think I'm exaggerating, but I'm not. It is with out exception, the buggiest piece of software I've ever used, and that includes programs that are still were Alpha.

Well Cloud, I'm several hours in...so far there haven't been any game-breakers yet but I've been poking around lucasforums and I think I'm in for it pretty soon when I hit Nar Shaddaa. In terms of bugs so far there's only been animation issues and some screwey conversation trees.

I asked about KOTOR 2 in the 'what have you been playing thread'. I pretty much agree with Michael Macfarlane and JG.

I only had one major bug that I remember, but I'm a save-a-holic, so I was able to find a previous point that let me pass the catastrophe. It was in the area where the Handmaiden is from.

Why #2 was a #2... well, for starters, the first locale took SO LONG to get going, I honestly thought it would never end. In fact, I reinstalled it a few weeks ago, and quit again before finishing on the first planetoid/asteroid/whatever. I knew it was going to take forever, and I just couldn't get into it.

The plot was weak, convoluted, and for my simple brain, sometimes confusing. Like the explanations why the Ebon Hawk was still there, why TM-34 is still there were all weak, and the connection between the two games was very, very weak.

Also, there were lots of times (like the last location... can't remember the name) and it was just fight, fight, fight, fight... kind of a run-and-gun situation but at a haltingly slow pace because of the turn-based fighting. Don't get me wrong, I thought the turn-based fighting in KOTOR #1 was well balanced and fun. About the time I was tired of the story, it was time to kick a lot of butt. #2 doesn't feel nearly so balanced.

A minor point, but you spend an awful lot of time in the first location running around in your underwear. Sure, Atton Rand makes fun of you for it, but to go so long in your skivvies just felt... wierd. I mean it was a LONG TIME. If I'm a former jedi, why does it take me so long to find some pants? hehehe, that's funny if you say it out loud.

Probably the biggest point is the end. Regardless of how you played (light or dark), the end is such a humiliating let down. You spend 30+ hours getting to this point, and you expect some sort of big payoff (#1 delivered pretty well), and you don't get one. You blink, it's over. The ship flies away. The end. That's all you get.

To some, those are probably minor issues (hey, it is MY opinion), but I'm a big fan of stories. I like SW because I like the story. I like most of the novels because I like stories. Most of my favorite movies I like because of their stories. I didn't like KOTOR2 that much because I didn't think the story was very good.

For me, KOTOR2 is like that candy that is so sour it makes your head implode. You pop it in your mouth because you know it's candy, and it will have a sweet taste eventually, but the sour is so overwhelming you ask yourself if you can continue or if it is worth it to continue. Then, in the end, after sticking with it for so long, when you do get to the sweet stuff, it lasts .5 seconds and poof, it's gone.

And in case you might think I'm an RPG hater, I absolutely loved KOTOR. It's one of my most favorite games ever.

I'll post the Tracer review if I ever get on my brother's computer and finish the game.

KOTOR 2 Had plenty of connections with the first, you just had to look for them. If only I could play is, but I cant get it working AT ALL on Vista...

I think KOTOR 2 had the potential of being much better than the first, had they just finished it. You get to have a much deeper connection with the other characters and there were many interesting sidestories. Well, would have been if they had had the time to finish putting them in the game.
Now you have many hints for many interesting stories in the game and when you are at the end they are just discarded or tied up quickly with some mediocre dialogue.

Hurray! We finally have some news for 2008.

Thank you for the input. Story means a lot to me in a game too. Heck, I think that's the big reason why I play some of the games I play even if the gameplay is a bit lackluster (Legacy of Kain: Defiance). To find the story taking a downturn towards the end would be very disheartening for me. I knew something was fishy when a direct sequel to a RPG is released in around a time span of a year. Guess I'll sit this game out.

Oh and that sounds really weird that you run in your undies for a good portion of the beginning.

Well, they're like space underwear. It's not like you're killing robots in your tighty-whities. The game starts with you waking up in a bacta tank.

But you kill how many guys, and you still run around in your underpants?

And like I said, Cloud, it's just my humble opinion. There are plenty of others that love it.

i thought the characters in KOTOR2 were much more interesting htan in 1, except for the fact that you cant get HK-47 functional for a long *** time.

[NECROPOST!]

After all this, I decide to reinstall it and give it another chance (my memory does suck, so I thought I'd give it another go). I just finished it, and I pretty much stand by all my statements except that I understand how T3 and the Ebon Hawk returned and I understand the story connecting #1 and #2 better, although it was still weak.

Still don't think it was a great story, though. And the ending still sucked.

At least there weren't any Truman-Capote-Hutts running about.

Ha, I gave up at the end of Dantooine.

I was really disappointed with the unfinished nature of KotOR II, but I absolutely loved the ability to really twink your characters and items. Tee hee, Jedi Master with a topped out wisdom score of eighty-something...