Don't worry guys I hear they just increased the chocolate ration

If hotdogs came with chopped up human fingers in them, I wonder how many people would ***** if the government regulated the fingers in them.

Oh wait, they did used to... and oh... wait... they did regulate it... and oh! NO one gave a ****. What the hell is wrong with our country nowadays.



Read upton sinclare's "The Jungle", and stop deliberating about this trans fat civil rights nonsense. It could be worse.

Which is their own damn fault. Everyone knows that getting fat is related to eating too much food and not getting enough excise. It up to them to learn the details. It's not like they're locked in some secret bunker somewhere.



That's called not eating at McDonalds.

you caught me!

Guys, I say this in every thread, but... seriously.

The gumment isn't restricting your goddamn freedoms, they're restricting the kind of harmful artificial additives that the restaurateurs are allowed to use. We use trans fats because they have a longer shelf life! That's IT! The only reason!

I know you guys like to be all :tinfoil:, but we are talking about a substance that is literally poisonous and offers zero benefits except a few cents to the bottom lines of gigantic corporations.

You do not get any enjoyment out of trans fats. They were specifically designed as an alternative to existing ingredients. As in, companies today could make the same exact recipes using healthier alternatives. This is NOT like banning cigarettes or alcohol, this is like banning ****ing strychnine in your ****ing oatmeal. Jesus H. Jumping Christ.



Apart from the taste.

WAHHHHH WHY ARE YOU BANNING THINGS THAT ARE UNHEALTHY

WAHHHHH WHY ARE YOU TAKING MY TAX DOLLARS TO PAY FOR HEALTH CARE OF PEOPLE WHO GOT SICK BY EATING UNHEALTHY THINGS

LOLOLOL PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY IF SOMEONE IS SICK ITS A MORAL FAILING AND THEY SHOULD DEAL WITH IT THEMSELVES

If you agree with these positions, please note that I hate you.

Wow. I always thought of you as an intellectual adversary. One that made me rethink that post I made under the influence of too many trans fats...I mean drinks. But, wow. So now trans fat is literally poison? Okay, now is it beneficial? Is it a benefit to consume? I don't know. I mean scientists every day are relating diferent benefits and consequences to all our health choices but, come on. I think every one at Massassi has probably consumed trans fats and probably most of us live to tell the tale. It is certainly, literally, not a literal poison.

I'm relatively indifferent but for a so-called conservative to now laud laws which ban things such as this...I mean, really, how conservative can you be?

"In the context of biology, poisons are substances that can cause damage, illness, or death to organisms, usually by chemical reaction or other activity on the molecular scale, when a sufficient quantity is absorbed by an organism."

Here's a hint that you might not be as smart as you think you are.

If I were so conservative as to believe that the government has no responsibility to protect its citizens from poison in their food I would be an anarchist.

Sure, restrict what the gays can do to each others' cornholes and you're a conservative, but restrict what a corporation can do and you're a LIEEEEEEBERAL. Grow a brain.

Kyle90 thinks he knows better than anyone else how they should live their lives.

It's thinking like that that got us such wonderfully successful things as prohibition, the war on drugs, and to a certain extent, the War in Iraq.



First, it's not literally poisonous. It's just really unhealthy.

It's not "Oh wahh! Our yummy trans fats are gone," it's the idea that the government has the responsibility to regulate our diets for our health, rather than safety. If it was just this who cares? It'll give me more non-disgusting food options. The worry here is that we start assuming the government is responsible for our eating habits. I mean, I guess if we are just talking about banning them from a general health perspective, that's good. But that's not going to solve the problem of people eating unhealthy foods, and I'm not sure that that's enough for some politicians.

It all comes down weather they are being banned from an unhealthy "poison" perspective or a "make lifestyle choices for you" perspective. I can see it both ways, but for now, I certainly wouldn't miss trans fats.



You know, greedy CEO's don't make their fortunes by absorbing cost increases themselves. I don't know why people always assume that higher costs always equal less CEO wages and not higher product prices.

Wow, I don't think I have ever said what homosexuals can do to each other. In fact, the only thing I might have said is that I don't believe in the homosexual agenda but, other than that, ...

No, it's literally poisonous.

1.) Slippery slope fallacy.
2.) This is about public safety, not simply about health.

Numerous studies have been conducted and they have all arrived at the exact same conclusion: trans fats from artificial sources incrementally increase the risk of heart disease regardless of how little you ingest. There is no safe lower limit, there is no recommended daily intake (apart from 0.000000g). If you have any intake of artificial trans fats, the amount of moderation you exercise only determines when your heart attack will be (not if you will ever get one).

These properties are distinct from natural sources of trans fats, by the way. Before McDonalds used trans fats they used beef tallow which, as it is turns out, is a healthier alternative. Yet another example of how the vegan lifestyle is killing us all.

So how is this about public safety? Your medical system is already overstrained and held to be one of the worst in the first world... what's going to happen when the hospitals are full of AMIs?

When you assume you make an...

So the cost of making a Big Mac will go up, meaning the price will go up? Trans fats aren't that much cheaper. You're talking about rounding up the 99 cents on the end here.

Like I said, trans fats are used because they let companies store and reuse the same fats for longer. Because, among other things, bacteria can't even eat this ****. They really aren't a whole lot cheaper in the long run, they're just more convenient and they let restaurants do things to their ingredients that would be considered unsanitary by most sane individuals.

And this is a problem the free market can't solve. Current packaging laws allow companies to advertise a product as containing "NO TRANS FATS!" when it actually contains quite a lot. The mouth texture and taste are indistinguishable from other sources of fats (by design) so a discriminating consumer is basically robbed of any choice in the matter.

Furthermore, every restaurant uses them unless strongly pressured by informed citizens and the government - and guess what? The corporations love the attitude that the government has no business telling people what they can and cannot eat, because that way they get to use owl droppings instead of butter and nobody can tell them not to! Awesome!

Sure, if you follow the law of natural toxicity. But we're talking about a substance that no organism can make use of, and something that doesn't appear in nature. This is not food. It's an additive. It's a preservative. And like I said, doctors and scienticians and biologists have concluded repeatedly that no amount of artificial trans fats is safe to consume. It's a little more digestible than polystyrene.



My point is that the American concept of a conservative is a knee-jerk reactionary and that does not a real conservative make. Don't paint me with the same brush please. What's best for the economy isn't always what's best for the country.

It's just sad that our government has to step in to 'protect' us. When we the consumer can't do it for ourselves. Like, rather than shutting them down from laws.. they should be shut down by lack of funds to operate. Because the educated consumer said, "lets go somewhere else"

Most people don't want or care to be educated. This is the American way.

Did you just compare human remains with trans fats? You really think those two are comparable?

Do you understand what trans fats are? How exactly does one enjoy a trans fat versus a non-trans fat?

It confuses me too. Why exactly are you guys making such a big deal out of this issue? I mean, there are tons of health regulations surrounding the preparation of food. Why is this particular regulation so offensive?

Forcing businesses' employees to wash their hands after using the bathroom is FASCISM! Let people decide if they want to go to a restaurant where the employees don't wash their hands. The government shouldn't make that decision for them!

Yeah, come on. Human remains aren't that bad.

They're part of a balanced breakfast, well, brains anyway.

I bet you're less likely to get vCJD from eating human than coronary artery disease from eating at McDonalds.

I like food

No, the problem is that people have just enough education to get it entirely wrong. This is why we get such horrible things as the atkins diet. People get it in their heads that carbs are bad and eat nothing but meat.

For most people, if they just stopped worrying about it and ate what they wanted, they'd be healthier and happier.

No, the education is there. The problem is people and not wanting to be held accountable for their own stupid decisions. If all of a sudden fatties across the nation were dropping like flies as a result of trans fats there would be a public outcry. "Why did the government allow this atrocity to happen! Oh lord, won't somebody think of the fatties?" And the people complaining would be the very same people complaining about the government stepping in now.

Are you honestly trying to say that a ban on the unhealthy and unneeded sh*t that once coated french fries is suddenly going to open the mindset that will eventually downward spiral the country? Or was this attempt to gain attention to your argument?

On the other hand, you can say that maybe Kyle90's thoughts toward this subject are the very seeds that improve American lives all around! It's gentlemen like Kyle90 that brought restaurant inspections, lead-free products, regulated meat, safer drugs and other wonderful things. Only people who hate to help out the everyday fellow man are Nazis. Obi_Kwiet, are you Hitler?

Seriously, I hope the executives at McDonald's one day go completely bonkers and decide to add a tiny bit of arsenic or cyanide to their burgers to spite their customers. It could be called "spicy taste enhancers," and won't be classified as a poison by some people's definition because 1.) arsenic and cyanide occur naturally in the environment and 2.) when taken in very small portions, it is totally survivable. You could even easily develop an immunity to the stuff. However, I doubt the reaction would be the same.

Maybe the legislation could allow special fetish restaurants for people like Obi_Kwiet who want to enjoy meals at low low prices, taste just like a regular meal and have the added bonus of increasing your risk of heart disease!

Sick of paying more for food that has real nutritional value? Look no further, at The Blubber Pit we ensure as many healthy ingredients as possible are replaced with cheaper alternatives that not only have no beneficial qualities but actually make you sick! This kind of place can't be made up, come to The Blubber Pit today!

Trans fats confuse me. For a long time I was thinking that generally, plant oil was good and non-plant oil and grease was bad. But now it seems plant oil can be bad too. I have no idea which restaurants use trans fats and which don't. If you buy something in the supermarket, how do you know if it contains trans fats? I mean what do you look for on the label? Polyunsaturated?

You disappoint me. I totally worded that post for you, or someone else, to rip me to shreds. I must be getting too predictable...

I'm going to edit it a bit now, for posterity's sake.

The problem is that it's chemically altered. Fats from natural sources, including unsaturated fats from plants and saturated fats from animal products, and even the naturally-occurring trans fats from animals won't kill you. Artificial trans fats will.

What you're looking for is partially-hydrogenated. Even if it says "contains no trans fats" on the container, it does - trans fats are produced as a byproduct and basically cannot be removed from the product. Monounsaturated and polyunsaturated, too. But really you have no way of avoiding it, because (like I mentioned before) current legislation allows companies to advertise a product as containing 0 g trans fats when it actually contains a significant amount.

Well, they're already in our tap water aren't they?

And there's nothing wrong with the Adkins diet. It's intended to help people get skinny, not be healthy. It's not Dr Adkins fault carbs got such a bad reputation.

There is a difference there: certain substances are purely harmful while others (water) in moderate quantities can be vital to your survival. Lumping both good and bad substances together like that is a big overgeneralization.

I don't want the government telling me what I can eat.

But I do want them to tell fatties not to ride the bus and walk the fat off.

Best pun in this thread.


(PS, install multi-quote and I'll stop lazy double posting)

That's not a good analogy. Those are things you go out of your way to consume where as food is essential to life, and things like trans-fats find there way into all kinds of food that many people eat.

And it isn't the government telling people where to go buy fast food, it is the economy (price of food vs wages for example) and the companies that sell foods that have trans fats in them that spend millions of dollars to make sure people over consume these bad foods. So the whole "well people get to choose whatever they want" is certainly technically true, but they are influenced to such a degree and with much effort that to ignore that is being dishonest to the discussion.

(Granted some of that went a little off topic to what you originally said but it's still quite relevant)

I don't see it as a problem of whether you eat meat or not. Unnaturally modified meat is just as bad as unnaturally modified vegetables. Whether you eat meat or not (red meat being bad for your health/heart as well mind you), eating genetically modified foods (especially ones that contain human growth hormones) is bad for you.

It's a lot easier to get organic vegetables and fruits over organic food in America's current food industry.

...Oh god.


First off, when I was talking about artificially-modified food I was talking about, you know, the chemical hydrogenation of oils. Because that's the only kind of modification that's going on with food-grade cooking oil.

Secondly, ...unnaturally modified meat? What unnatural modifications are we talking about here? Like converting ligaments and anal glands into spam or are you suggesting that we have the technology to effectively engineer livestock? (Actually we do, and it's called selective breeding.)

Thirdly, genetically-modified plants have never been demonstrated as unsafe for human consumption. You know the whole point of the debate about genetically modified food is the danger that the genetic modifications will enter an uncontrolled population (i.e. the wild), right? A large part of the reason the salmon populations are in decline, for example, is because female salmon demonstrate a preference for escaped male salmon bred in fisheries even though they (and the offspring) are too large to swim upstream..... I mean, this is simply an egregious misunderstanding of the real issue.

Fourthly... what foods contain human growth hormone, again? I'm assuming you're talking about plants with hormone antagonists, because hGH is just a tad bit too expensive to use on an animal with an endocrine system too different to make use of the compound. Or maybe you're thinking of bull hormones, which are mostly drained out with the blood, then denatured by cooking, then broken down by the digestive system and are incompatible with our bodies anyway?

Maybe he's thinking of the steroids that they don't use anymore. And weren't the kind athletes use to bulk up anyway.

Yes, that's why we became hunters to get it, because we hated our healthy diet of whatever we found hanging on trees. You probably don't realize this, but 'healthy vegetables' are actually the latest addition to our diets, and we don't actually have the equipment to digest them properly. That's why we only eat the wimpy parts of the plant and have to process other things, like grains, so much.

Eat whatever the hell you want. It's just food, it's not going to hurt you.

or is it?!

You have no idea what you're talking about. HGH isn't in any food products. Genetically modified crops are in no way bad for you. Do you eat "organic" bananas and corn? Those have been selectively bred over thousands of years! They did not exist in the wild before human intervention! You know what another word for selective breeding is? GENETIC ENGINEERING.

Not only do I want to the government to tell me what to eat, I want the government to feed me, and by that I don't mean provide food, but to literally physically place the food in my mouth, as opposed, of course, to metaphorically or figuratively placing the food in my mouth.

I've actually flipped on this issue. Being someone who wants to introduce the guillotine into American politics, I flipped my **** when I heard about this. It has all the hallmarks of government trying to reduce personal choice and responsibility. Then I realized people usually don't choose to ingest trans fats, it's just what comes with the meal. While I'm not celebrating the decision to ban trans fats, I don't see it as a fascist law either.

.....not to mention that nobody who knows what they're talking about would ever choose it.

Like I keep saying, you won't even see a price difference. If you do it's because the company is using it as an excuse or they're simply being vindictive.