Baconfish should be ashamed of himself

What? Rob hasn't posted yet!

Is it really that hard to ask for some ****ing respect? I know theres some bad "never forget artwork" out there, but seriously people grow up.

I PUT OUT A FLAG OKAY, A BIG AMERICAN FLAG ON THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE

AND NOW I WANT TO POST PICTURES OF LIONS AND THAT IS WHAT FREEDOM IS ALL ABOUT

SO ****ING **** YOU NAZI STALIN MAO ****

This thread is terrible and should now be aborted post haste.

I bet fishtikxz or whatever gets his news from a coffee shop.

I loled.

You know, I thought this might happen, but I was also hoping that in a thread like this there might be some more maturity. I don't really understand some of you guys. This isn't a thread endorsing the War in the Middle East, nor is it a thread disproving it. This is simply a thread that was posted to respect those who died either as a result of the attacks or by trying to save those innocent people.

I really don't give a damn about whether or not you care about those people who died. That's none of my business. I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything, or beg anyone to pray for the people who died and their families. If you wish to do so, then great, and if not, then that's fine too. Just stay out of the thread if you don't have anything to add about the original purpose of the thread.

Some of you really need to grow up though. Some of you guys get so caught up in being right all the time that you really don't see how cruel you're being. Yes, this happened 7 years ago. Yes, it's "old news", but so are other days that we recognize of tragic events that happened in the past. To acknowledge those who died, and to take a moment to be respectful. We still respect the day of the events at Pearl Harbor, and we honor war heroes with days like Veterans Day and Memorial Day.

Regardless of where you stand on the topic, the fact of the matter is that people of your country died (assuming you live in America), and it's not something to laugh about. I know those of you who are being immature aren't stupid, but you would be acting differently had a family member, friend, or spouse been killed in these attacks.

That's really all I have to say. It's just sad that it has to be said in the first place.

is this sarcasm?

if it is it's not terribly funny.

if not... who's the one policing you on spouting partisan propaganda? or i guess it's okay to do because John McCain is obviously a 'patriot' right? there's only one way to look at 9/11, right?

Er, I think he's referring to the claims that another terrorist attack would be "good for McCain's presidency" if he were elected.

Heaven forbid someone brings politics into it. Who on Earth would think of doing such a thing?!! Oh yeah the GOP for the last 7 years.

And it certainly is a fact that America's reaction left many many more innocents dead than 9/11

why is it called the GOP, when the Democratic party is much older?

Actually, both parties are about the same age. They just change their name whenever the current one gets too tainted. Feel free to verify with any historian.

the current democratic party was based on one founded in 1792 (the Democratic-Republicans,) renamed in 1828 to the Democratic Party, and the current republican party was founded in 1854, so no, the democratic party is in fact older. by margin of percent the currently named democratic party has been around for about 11% longer (in the life of our country of 232 years)

The Federalist party was formed in 1789, which has morphed into the current Republican party.

Federalist Party -> National Republican Party -> Whig Party -> Republican Party.

Again, seek out any American Historian for further assistance.

This is not to say that your point isn't valid from a literal standpoint. It's just that the GOP references the Federalist Party origins.

Did we really need this thread?

Do we really need a memorial, a new WTC?


I think the question is, are we any better than the TERRISTS if we raise our children with just as much hate in their hearts? That is all a memorial is going to really represent. The best course of action is just to move the **** on.

It cant really be said to be a dirtect line, since the republican party was formed by members of all the parties at the time including both whigs and democrats. just because the whigs died out shortly after the formation of the republican party. federalists to new repubilicans to whigs is accurate enough though.

I'm gonna be honest, here. I really don't care at all.

what a bunch of douchebags.

gj

I understand and even sympathize with this. Really, I do. But the honest truth is that I think we've done so much harm -- to ourselves and to the rest of the world -- as a result of our effort to "remember" September 11th, 2001 that we'd be better off if we tried our best to forget it.

And that's why I think Rob's post is the best post in this thread.

Maybe, maybe not.


A memorial would be nice, yes. We have one in our town for the 8 people that were killed from here. A new WTC? Uh, yes. New York lost a ****load of office space when those buildings were destroyed. So completely ignoring why they're gone, yes we do need a new office space there.



I wouldn't say it's all its going to represent. I know for me the memorial here is a nice remembrance to my friends father. I can't speak for anyone else though, so I'm not going to argue against your point.

Many people have moved on, but why the **** am I not allowed to take the time to remember? Just because it was 7 years ago doesn't mean it didn't happen.


As for the rest of you. I don't give a **** that you don't care.


But whatever, apparently you're all to high and mighty to show a little respect.

I understand how important the event was as well. But the fact is when you value the lives of those lost more than the innocents that are killed in the name of those lives lost by your own country, there is a problem. (Also of course not just Americans were killed on 9/11, it was the world trade center).

I mean just look up the most conservative estimates for how many innocent civilians have died in Iraq and Afghanistan. I mean I've even heard that 90% of deaths in Iraq have been civilian.

Of course we can debate for all eternity on if they were all accidental.

Understandable. Like I said I don't expect everyone to have a personal connection to the event, but I do so it'd be kind of nice if there was a teeny tiny bit of respect.

Everyone in this thread needs slapped.

Let's be a bit more optimistic for once. I skimmed through the thread quickly, but at least there's no mention of "OMG 9/11 is a conspiracy because of the YouTube movie Loose Change!" I bet this thread would have went crazy if some girl posted this message:

They weren't all accidental.

Because 90% of the bad guys are "civilians".

I mean seriously? Now, "non-combatants" is another story. We can debate that all day because a person can switch between combatant and non combatant in about two seconds in the current war.

then maybe you shouldn't have posted something on a forum devoted to a what... 11 year old game. you KNOW massassi is not the most mature place on the internet. instead of giving yourself a hernia over not showing respect, try some website dedicated to the event, I'm sure you'll find like minded people there to mourn with.

yeah. it happened, yeah. people died. it sucked, a stupid "war" was started over it. move on.

Even on November 11th we only have 1 min of silence before we continue on our day, working, school or slacking off playing games. and November 11th mourns the hundreds of thousands if not MILLIONS of soilders and "non-combatants" who were killed.

just because it was so recent does not mean we don't care. we're jsut sick of hearing about it and given 60 more years it'll be nothing more then a foot-note in a history book.

Well by definition a civilian is a non-combatant in terms of measuring causalities.

And I'm sick of hearing people saying they dont care. And yes, I have moved on. Its tough but i have.
So shut the up and let people take ONE day just to think about it. If you don't want to hear about it, don't open the damn thread.

lol I was over it by 11 AM EST the day it happened.

Ya know, I don't mind a thread about it. it's fine if you wanted to make a thread to remember them and I don't mind reading it. But when you post on a forum you KNOW your going to get immature responces on and then expect the immature to suddenly stop because you think they should is just silly.

your arguing is sulling the thread more then the "lolz burger boyz had it coeming" post's. your arguing and making a big deal over this is just adding insult to injury and making the whole thing worse.

Just saying, should have expected this from massassi and trying to say "have you no respect!" and fighting over it just makes the somber memorial even more of a joke.

you're a true American badass

ride on, cowboy

Are you not any better for continuing to post things like this Grant?

It's as if you'd prefer to have the last say on the matter. No matter how many times I ask for respect, someone such as you will respond with "You should have expected this! Now move on!"

But whatever I guess you all are right! Im an ******* for wanting to take the time to remember that my friends dad was killed in the line of duty! What the **** was i thinking!

Actually, besides a few people, Massassi is one of the most mature places I have ever found on the internet.

ok, maybe I should just say in regards to some serious subjects like politics and 9/11, just look at what DID happen to this thread. gun threads however... we hope they are mature


No, I'm not saying you'd be an ******* for wanting to remember your're friends father. but expecting everyone else to follow you and then getting angry when we don't just seems stupid and counter-productive to the intention of the thread.

is THAT how you remember loved ones? by drilling respect into others? by demanding everyone else feel the same as you when your memorial thread goes awry?

I'm not denying the intent of the thread, thats fine, but it quickly got off topic and rather then letting it go you started a **** storm and that just kinda bothered me. It happened, pay your respects but don't expect everyone else to do the same just cause you feel a certain way about it.

Do I seem like I need to get the last word in? maybe. I'm really bored at work and I'm off in 15 minutes and we're DEAD slow, I need SOMETHING to fill my time, right?

See If you read my posts you'd see that I said "I know most of you don't have a personal connection to this"

I'm not drilling respect into anyone. I didn't ban anyone did i?

**** storm? I just got annoyed with all of the "Get over it" posts.

I'm not telling everyone to be sad about it. You're annoyed about all this "Never forget" crap? Guess what, so am i. Especially all that "artwork."

And if you're allowed to be pissed that i started "complaining" about people being immature, I'm allowed to get annoyed that you're telling me to shut up.

My opinion: 9/11 is tragic... but I would be lying if I said I was surprised something to this degree happened to the mighty USA.

Are you over your celibacy yet?

When does a pentagon have four sides?
When it intersects a plane.