yes

You two both fail at maths.

wow, maybe I shouldn't play. I only ever just run and shoot the other team.

We've got a chat going in the steam community if that works for people.

[ECHOMAN]

Of course I know what Ubers do. But Ubers can only do so much. Clearing out an area that gets filled up 2 seconds after an Uber doesn't swing so much to one team's favor. You can only kill so many people with Ubers and hold so many people back.

Creating 3 ubers together is easier said then done. And this is assuming that defense team has NO Ubers charging. Once the defense gets an Uber going and specifically charge the enemy medics, which is an obvious tactic, those 3 simultaneous Ubers can get wiped out. Not to mention it takes one CRIT grenade or rocket to take out a Medic and his hard earned Uber charge.




All in the general areas. Which can easily get spammed. The very final cap of Dustbowl 3 has pretty much only 2 areas to assault RED. And that corner is very prone to Demo spamming due to how tight that area is.





That's assuming essentially EVERYONE on RED dies trying to defend the first point and that same people die at the general SAME TIME. A team that pretty much gets 100% decimated quickly at the first point is one that will be unable to effectively defend the second point. I've seen that happen, but it usually for a team that sucks hard or had some terrible luck. Unless it's small amount of players, typically not everyone on RED dies at the same time, so there will people spawning at different small increments of time.

Also RED can have Ubers too which they can reserve for the first point. People know when a point is essentially lost and when to prepare to move back because throwing yourself into a wave of enemies is stupid.




Modded such as No Crits, Crits Only, and other changes.




What "plan cold facts?"

Because it's possible doesn't mean it's balanced.

One insta-spawn server I played on switched the teleport timer for BLU to 0. That way, BLU players can go up to RED without wasting time walking. That's balancing things out. Another insta-spawn server reduced the max health of the defending team to make RED players a bit easier to kill. That too is balancing things out. And if I remember one time, there was a server that let BLU Medics charge their Ubers faster than RED. Again, balancing things out.

Only "facts" you provided are obvious tactics such as building Ubers and rushing. Which any competent defending team can do the same... without worrying of any disadvantage that BLU can really exploit.



I've play on both types. Some insta-spawn servers get creative and give some advantage to BLU. One in particular turns on only-crits which makes crazy madness. That's fun. A server that nullify the respawn timer and does nothing else tend to turn into spam fests without any sort of teamwork.

booting into windows here in a bit

wooo!

we're having fun in chat. soon to be in game!

We're on the server in the original post for those of you who are numbskulls.

My TF2 is updating; I'll be in in about 7 minutes.

Argh. The little update timer lies. It says 20 seconds right now but each second is closer to a minute.

mine too.
Also mine didn't say that it needed to be updated. did steam stop doing that?
Used to be that whenever I loaded steam if there was an update for something it would show. but it doesn't appear to do that many more.

latis is full of lies and children

It is because of this that I find it hard to believe you even play TF2. You get a basically "free" ubercharge during setup time, did you not know this? The entire rush relies on these, and if you followed what I had said, everything you touched on was already taken care of:

A. Red Ubers? Handled by Uber Pyro.
B. Sentries? Handled by Uber Demo.
C. Other players? Handled by a well placed pyro/demo/heavy/etc
D. It doesn't really matter how dispersed they are killed because you don't even need to kill all of their team to push into their spawn.

The critical thing you keep forgetting is that it only takes 2 players to win that second point, in literally almost-instantaneous manner.




The final point on Dustbowl is hard to win regardless of spawn times. If anything I find it easier to cap with fast respawn if anything because it keeps Red from being able to just push Blue right back to spawn.





There are no assumptions in what I am saying... it's simple fact... I mean, seriously. I'm telling it like it is here, not making conjecture.




So... who cares about those? You pretty much just supported my side with those statistics based on that.




No, it's more balanced because of it.



That's not balancing, that's unbalancing. Removing teleport delay makes it into exactly what you hate, a spamfest. Walking time is what keeps instant respawn viable.



It's not like it's that complicated to start with. And no, if you do as I actually said then no, the defending team can't really do the same.




The problem is BLU already has an "advantage" by fast respawn. An advantage that makes it more even overall (as typically RED has the advantage).

Any instant-respawn server that turns into a spamfest is an instant-respawn server where no one wins.

On instant respawn, if you "spam", you will not win. You must be strategic.

I'm done for tonight, I'm going to a bar. Good game guys. But we really need a Massassi server.

Good apart from the random arsehole with 3 guys.

ll it was fun until outsiders started joining.

emon needs to get that dedicated massassi server up.

You know what, I'm done. Instead of responding, I'm going to just pin up your post on my board for me to look at and hate. I hope you are happy.



Whatever.

That's awesome, Echoman

Echoman just won so much.

Freelancer, what was your steam name again?

Hrm, bozoboy33 I think.

I don't remember killing you. Were you on tonight?

Nope. I gave up when it became apparent that it was going to take a long, long time to download the updates.

Is anyone still playing?

Your Massassi is blue, so obviously you lose.

I killed Echoman the spy by accident while sticky jumping. It was glorious.

That's good but still doesn't beat headshotting a spy as a sniper from like 100 yds away while he's cloaked.

That happened right infront of me, that was awesome.