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Boosting internet speeds?
2008-10-06, 12:06 PM #1
So, I'm running into a lot of stuttering issues in some MMOs. I've looked into several components, but after a talk with some computer-savvy salespeoplepersons, they believe its my internet speeds that are just not very good and causing the stuttering.

I figured I'd ask here, are there any ways to boost internet speeds from the PC? I mean, I can't do much with the modem and I can't just call my ISP and say "UR NET SUX, GET THAT HAMSTER RUNNING FASTER!"

I've seen internet boosting softwares out there, but I doubt they work.

Anything I can do?
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2008-10-06, 12:17 PM #2
Your options are:

A. Call your ISP up and buy a faster plan.
B. Make sure nothing else on your network is leeching your bandwidth.
C. Make sure you are getting the speed your ISP is promising you.

There aren't any other options, really.
2008-10-06, 12:26 PM #3
The internet plugs in straight to my pc, no router, so aside from evil malware, nothing should be suckling on my bandwidth.
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2008-10-06, 12:29 PM #4
Whats your comp specs and what MMO's are you having trouble with? And whats your ISP supposedly supplying you with speed wise?
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2008-10-06, 12:34 PM #5
Asus A8N Deluxe
AMD X2 4800+
ATI X1900XT
2GB RAM
2x 120gb SEAGATE HDD (Raid)
Soundblaster Audigy 2

And the mmo, well, honestly its any MMO post WOW, but currently its Warhammer Online. There is a lot of stuttering, and I can say for fact its not graphical, considering playing at 1024x768 at low settings or 1280x980 at max settings doesnt change a thing. Essentially I have a smooth framerate of 35-45 fps, but every now and then, at random the game stutters or hitches. I've seen the same in Age of Conan, and Everquest 2, and more.

The tech guys I spoke to said, no insisted, that adding more than 2GB of RAM would not help out.

My HDD's are clean and defragmented. I've shut down all useless windows services. I use AMD Fusion to turn off all unused services during gameplay, and overclock my CPU. I have the most recent video drivers, I have the most recent version of DX9. Etc.
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2008-10-06, 12:58 PM #6
Have you checked into any possibility with QoS settings on your router helping perhaps?

Also I recommend checking the warhammeralliance.com forum, there are a number of posts that may be related.

One recommended [if in Vista], to reduce lag, setting Compatibility to:
[x] Disable visual themes
[x] Disable desktop composition
[x] Disable display scaling on high DPI settings
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2008-10-06, 1:06 PM #7
Jep check your router :downswords:
2008-10-06, 1:09 PM #8
Originally posted by Jep:
I mean, I can't do much with the modem and I can't just call my ISP and say "UR NET SUX, GET THAT HAMSTER RUNNING FASTER!"


Why not? I b****ed to my ISP in Rhode Island for sucking, and they actually did something about it. Then again, it was one of the smallest ISPs in the smallest state, so I guess they didn't want to lose one of their 5 customers.
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2008-10-06, 2:30 PM #9
Jep has no router.
2008-10-06, 3:36 PM #10
Clean your tubes.
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2008-10-06, 4:03 PM #11
Few questions for ya Jep.

What speeds are you suppose to be getting?

What type of internet service do you have? Cable, DSL?

Can you define stuttering a bit more? Does the framerate just get choppy at certain times/places in the game? Or do characters tend to 'hop' from one area to another? If you just get bad framerates at certain times it doesn't have anything to do with your internet connection.

Also, how are you connected to your modem? USB, ethernet cable?
2008-10-06, 4:44 PM #12
It could be latency or packet loss rather than a bandwidth issue.
2008-10-06, 4:48 PM #13
Originally posted by Obi_Kwiet:
It could be latency or packet loss rather than a bandwidth issue.


Agreed. Jep, does Warhammer have anything like a latency meter?
2008-10-06, 8:05 PM #14
I have the same experience. Perhaps future updates to the client/server will help alleviate some of these issues.
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2008-10-06, 9:48 PM #15
So what is your problem? Is it lag or poor framerates? Both indicate a completely different underlying problem.

You describe it as "stuttering" which sounds like a poor framerate problem (game freezes briefly while audio loops, or you can distinguish individual frames on screen). However then you go and look for solutions to a lag problem. "Hitching" is not lag, it is performance. Although your PC specs indicate you should be fine...

Dormouse's suggestions would only make minor improvements to poor framerates and given your system specs I doubt it would help.

Try opening up Task Manager and keeping it visible while you play a game (second monitor, or windowed mode game or something). Sort by the CPU column of the Process tab.

Next time the game hitches, you might see another process jump to the top of the list briefly. If you can identify it and figure out which program owns it, you can uninstall it or stop it while you play a game. Or you can set the process priority to idle by right clicking it, which will keep it from locking up your game (I recommend not doing this to services or system processes).

I have found AVG does this, as well as Trillian Astra, Google Chrome, and Steam.

2008-10-06, 9:57 PM #16
[Edit: Oops.]

2008-10-06, 11:20 PM #17
deja vu, anyone?
2008-10-07, 4:27 AM #18
Hitching should have been the word I used. Essentially as I'm running forward in the world the game will skip a frame or two, sometimes will slow down for a split second, then be fine again, and then of course when I get to more populated areas like cities, and even moreso when I get to RvR warcamps, the game just skips several frames over the span of around 10 seconds until eventually its leveled out and smooth again with the occasional freeze or frame skip.

Typically, before playing a game, I will literally kill every program on my PC that is not in use. Virus scans, spyware, instant messangers, web browsers, etc, with EndItAll2, and all non-crucial services with AMD Fusion.

To be honest, I wasn't convinced about the bandwidth issue, but since I've tried everything I could over the past year to fix this type of problem, I was growing hopeless for an answer.

Could it be caused my HDD's not performing well, or because they are in raid (though I've always been under the impression they should be performing better in raid)?


Originally posted by Spectrael:
Agreed. Jep, does Warhammer have anything like a latency meter?


Nay it doesn't though frankly based on other MMO's, I'm generally one of those with the better latencies. Generally around approximatly 90-120ms.

Originally posted by ragna:
deja vu, anyone?


Did I post something like this before? Maybe I did, I can't remember. In any case, whats the point of your post? Flame bait? Just continuing on your streak of asinine posting you've been on lately?
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2008-10-07, 5:44 AM #19
he was talking about zzt posting two almost identical replies.
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2008-10-07, 5:46 AM #20
I guess I didn't notice the same person posted those. Ah well.
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2008-10-07, 8:03 AM #21
You might want to look at this thread. It sounds like what you're experiencing, and if so, is a very common problem with WH.

http://www.warhammeralliance.com/forums/showthread.php?t=99123
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2008-10-07, 8:06 AM #22
Don't use AMD Fusion. It screwed up everything and I had to reinstall Windows. It didn't even do anything I didn't do manually before, which was a disappointment. I saw no improvements in-game from it either.

The problem comes when you quit it, it starts PREVIOUSLY STOPPED services, which means now your computer will be running tons of unnecessary services it wasn't running BEFORE you started your game. Also after I used it one of the Windows services started taking up 100% CPU time, locking up the computer. I couldn't kill it since the process controlled a number of processes. Eventually I couldn't even use Task Manager anymore. It happened on every boot before I could open Task Manager.

2008-10-07, 8:30 AM #23
Originally posted by Dormouse:
You might want to look at this thread. It sounds like what you're experiencing, and if so, is a very common problem with WH.

http://www.warhammeralliance.com/forums/showthread.php?t=99123


I've seen the thread. The problem is, there was the exact same thing with AoC, and I've experienced it in a lot of offline games also, such as Oblivion and neverwinter Nights 2.

THis same thread, and essentially all the whinning I see on warham alliance is something thats mirrored on every other mmo's forums. Which makes me think its computers, not the game.
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2008-10-07, 8:35 AM #24
Originally posted by Jep:
I've seen the thread. The problem is, there was the exact same thing with AoC, and I've experienced it in a lot of offline games also, such as Oblivion and neverwinter Nights 2.

THis same thread, and essentially all the whinning I see on warham alliance is something thats mirrored on every other mmo's forums. Which makes me think its computers, not the game.



If you're experiencing it in offline games also, why did you make a thread about internet speeds being at fault?
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2008-10-07, 9:03 AM #25
Originally posted by Dormouse:
If you're experiencing it in offline games also, why did you make a thread about internet speeds being at fault?


I guess it didn't occure to me that I was experiencing it in Oblivion and NWN2 when the tech dude brought the internet possibility up, or when I posted this thread. You know, since I haven't played either of those games in 2 years.

Whether I thought about that or not, I still got some pretty good suggestions in this thread which made it all worthwhile.
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2008-10-07, 9:18 AM #26
This is what CONSTANTLY happens to me in any games from oblivion to neverwinter nights 2 to lotro to AoC to Warhammer to Tabula Rasa, etc.

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2008-10-07, 9:40 AM #27
Originally posted by Jep:
I guess it didn't occure to me that I was experiencing it in Oblivion and NWN2 when the tech dude brought the internet possibility up, or when I posted this thread. You know, since I haven't played either of those games in 2 years.

Whether I thought about that or not, I still got some pretty good suggestions in this thread which made it all worthwhile.



One guy swore up and down that simply running Fraps in the background fixed his stuttering issues. Although given the scope/variety of fps/latency/hitching issues, that may have solved an entirely different thing.
May still be worth a shot though.
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2008-10-07, 9:48 AM #28
Try defragging. That might be happening when you're moving into new areas and the game can't load the content it needs fast enough. Especially since it happens in crowded areas, but only when you first get there.
2008-10-07, 9:52 AM #29
Originally posted by Vin:
Try defragging. That might be happening when you're moving into new areas and the game can't load the content it needs fast enough. Especially since it happens in crowded areas, but only when you first get there.


Just did this weekend. I do it religiously on a regular basis.
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2008-10-07, 10:15 AM #30
Defragging is basically worthless on modern hard drives with modern file systems.
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2008-10-07, 10:17 AM #31
I experience something similar in Mass Effect... I doubt the causes are related, but my solution was to run in windowed mode. You may try that.
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2008-10-07, 10:29 AM #32
Originally posted by Jep:
This is what CONSTANTLY happens to me in any games from oblivion to neverwinter nights 2 to lotro to AoC to Warhammer to Tabula Rasa, etc.



I have the same problem in STALKER, as does my brother..
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2008-10-07, 10:33 AM #33
It drives me up the wall. I just can't stand it and aside from playing on an xbox, I cant seem to get rid of this issue in games.
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2008-10-07, 10:39 AM #34
Interesting tidbit I just came across :

Quote:
The data entering the graphics card is now stored on the card's own local memory, called Video RAM (VRAM), just two chips of which are circled in red above. These onboard VRAM chips provide a similar service to that of regular system RAM on your motherboard; a temporary storage area designed to help speed up calculations by the Graphics Processing Unit (GPU) - circled in yellow above. Basically as you can see, your graphics card is almost like a miniature PC within itself, with its own CPU (GPU), RAM (VRAM) and motherboard (PCB), and operates in much the same way. VRAM in particular not only serves as storage point for data to be calculated for rendering, it also holds completed images (frames) ready for sending to your monitor - see Step 8 further below for details.

This is the reason why the amount of VRAM is increasingly becoming larger and more important on modern graphics cards. The more information that can be held onboard the graphics card's VRAM, the more quickly the GPU can process data and not have to pause to allow more data to be loaded up into VRAM. For example, games with high resolution textures require more VRAM space. When space runs out in VRAM, existing unused textures have to be switched out and new ones loaded up from your hard drive and/or system RAM into the VRAM. This slight pause which results is commonly referred to as hitching (when data loads into VRAM) or stuttering (when data loads up from the hard drive first), and is most noticeable when you enter new areas or see new objects during a game. Your graphics card literally pauses to wait for new data to be loaded for display before continuing.

Performance Tip: This step highlights the importance of having more VRAM on your graphics card. If running a game on a card with less VRAM, you must lower your texture settings and/or resolution, otherwise you will get more hitching/stuttering as data is constantly swapped into and out of the VRAM. This is particularly true if you have a slower hard drive and less system RAM as well. Note further that cooling the VRAM properly is also essential, as almost all cases of noticeable graphical glitches (also called 'Artifacts'), and many crashes and lockups, are due to overheating VRAM. Remember that the temperature sensor on your graphics card is not located on the VRAM - it is on or close to the GPU; so your VRAM can often run much hotter.
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2008-10-07, 10:40 AM #35
New computer time!
2008-10-07, 10:43 AM #36
Probably more like 'console gaming time, to hell with mmo's!'

Edit : I just realised something. I have a x1900xt 512mb card.

Is there even such thing as BIGGER than 512mb card? If so, could it really be mainstreamed to the point where the majority of people would have those and thus not have a problem?

Could it be the fact that its my HHD's that are running in Raid 0 that be is causing the problem?
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2008-10-07, 1:13 PM #37
I bet your initial diagnosis is correct (Packet loss/latency/ect), because at times when the servers have a low amount of people connected I rarely experience any hitching in WarHammer, but at times when they are busy I get it alot more frequently.

Ask some other people and see if their experience is similar. My system is a PhenomX4, 6gb ram, and Nvidia GTX260+. I doubt a simiple graphics card upgrade will make your problem go away completely.
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2008-10-07, 1:39 PM #38
After looking at your YouTube video I'm almost certain it's a system issue.

I'd bet $50 more RAM would help with that.
2008-10-07, 2:09 PM #39
Oh I didnt watch the youtube... Spectrael might be right, that could be system related since there almost nothing happening ingame anywhere near you.
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2008-10-07, 2:32 PM #40
if the same happens in games that are played offline, it has to be related to the computer hardware and not the internet, it would be very coincidental if the two different types of game experienced the same type of lag from two different sources.

also are you using vista or xp? 2gb with vista is sorta minimum you want to play games like AoC and War with.
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