so awesome

Do white people just not go to these things? I didn't see a single white person in the audience.

Word.

I think it's more just the location of the battle ... there are plenty of white emcees (I think one of the big names is Australian actually), but I don't think a random white person is going to show up in the middle of a black community. If you go to a jam somewhere more diverse like the coasts, or a big jam like Scribble Jam, you're naturally bound to have a more diverse audience.

Edit: Re: the vid itself... it's actually sorta old newz but since it's awesome and hasn't been posted here before I guess it's okay

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9WuzdMlPZU&feature=related

and just for funnies



EDIT: Slug, aka the mc of Atmosphere, is huge and has been on MTV plenty of times. White guy. Brother Ali and Sage Francis, both white mc's, have toured on Rock the Bells numerous times.

But then, what could I expect from obi "HURR LOL RAP MEANS BLACK PEOPLE HURR LOL"

Also



Edit:


Well, before someone else says it... Slug "isn't really white" just like Obama "isn't really black"

I read Obi's comment more as "white people don't go to jams" instead of "there aren't any white emcees" but yeah. There are a ton who go to jams. At this small bboy jam called The Get Down in San Diego in '04 I think, there was this hilarious white guy in the rap battles who, after realizing that he was outclassed, spent the entire rest of the battle dissing himself instead of the other guy and I think ended up winning. I used to have it on tape somewhere <_<

Actually I expressed surprise that there weren't any white people at this particular event, which would indicate just the opposite. But clearly you were too busy looking for a high horse to climb onto to sweat that particular detail. Or the fact that I was talking about the demographic uniformity of the audience, not rappers in general.

Idiot.




I guess. I don't really follow the rap culture very closely to know the demographics very well, but the location thing probably explains it.

Show em thrawn

Just for the sake of completeness

(I dunno wtf is going on here)

[But reading the racist youtube comments on that video made my head explode]

This thread reminds me of 8 Mile, but 10x as gay.

I guess turning 18 made you even less eloquent, if that was possible.

Idiot. Really? Is that the best you could come up with?

And actually, no, it pretty much indicates exactly what the **** I said kthx.

Why do white people always say this where there's a video where most of the people are black

Do you guys not realize there are areas of the country populated predominately by black people?

No way! Next you'll be telling me there are entire COUNTRIES full of black people!

I can't stop laughing. That was a great find. The music at the end made it.

I would like to see an Obama and McCain freestyle rap battle. That Japanese rap battle was just weird, seems like every culture has their own version of a rap battle these days.

hey where are all the white people?

I like white chicks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQp5l4-sfFA

Oh yeah, language warning...

yeah

I just saw that last night...

Odd.

Internet flame wars are boring.

Obligatory.

aww so cute on your high horse

then again a little odd--trolls don't usually ride horses

Modern rap is disgusting. Southern rappers should be shot. I won't even try talking about Lil' Wayne..

you shouldn't try talking at all

shut up

?

lol wut?


agreed

You disagree that modern rap is disgusting? It's all about money, cars, hoes, or murder to some degree. That and the fact that southern rap just sounds horrible, beat wise and artist wise. It's pretty sad when someone becomes so rich due to the fact that they shout the occasional "YEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAH" or "OOOOOOOOOOKAYYYYYYY" randomly in the song..There's some real talent right there..




Neither should you

PS - Please respond to my post HERE or send me a PM before you go off insulting me in other people's threads if you've got something to say to me (since you have yet to, perhaps it made too much sense?). Take it in baby steps sir

That's not modern, or even southern rap. That's "hustler rap", which while it proliferates in the south, is nowhere near sectioned off down here. Most southern rap talks about smokin blunts and sippin on purple drink and goin to the club, which while silly, isn't too degrading. See: Three Six


Really? I shouldn't? Despite the fact that I actually know what I'm talking about, have been listening to hip hop since I was 7 and have probably seen more artists in person than you've seen on MTV? There's many other factors but I'm not here to gloat.

Thrawn even MAKES rap, so you have NO say there.

Just like old rap


o look a subjective opinion!


:downs:

You really have no clue about me dude. Seriously. I'm a filmmaker and for projects in both school and outside of school I have worked with TONS of underground rappers. Filming documentaries, helping rapper friends out in their studios mixing down audio, etc, coming up with lyrics and beats to help, etc. I've also produced rap beats in the past on Fruity Loops, Pro Tools, and a small one on Reason since I didn't have time to learn that program but it was essential to learn Pro Tools for our audio class in school (which we somewhat did). I fail to see how that means anything in this argument though since we aren't talking about OUR experience but rather rap and what it's like nowadays.

I also don't get MTV. What does seeing people in person have to do with knowledge? lol ok?

There is also no set genre in rap called "Hustler Rap" like there is "Gangsta Rap" etc. So I don't know if you've just decided to give it that name or what.. But I've yet to hear it called that, and constant searching to make sure I have not missed something turns up nothing either.. Which kind of destroys your credibility when you claim right after that you know what you're talking about.

I've been listening to hip hop since I was about the same age you did, 7 or so. And I'm 25 now. What's your point?

I am well aware of 3-6 Mafia. I am plenty aware of underground artists. That to me is where the real talent is, the underground artists.

When I say modern rap, I am speaking about people like 50 cent, G-Unit, The Game (who I actually happen to like), and other mainstream artists that sell the most to the largest demographic of rap listeners. You can't tell me more people are buying some underground artists cd than 50 cent's, which is exactly what I mean. The lyrics in these songs are the disgusting part I was speaking of about modern rap.

You should really stop assuming everything you know about me based off some posts I made while we were younger



So... Big Daddy Kane and, let's say 50 Cent, had similar meanings and lyrics?

EDIT: The word "Modern" is meant to describe the mainstream rap which was a poor choice of words.

lol, right. Yet you don't even know about artists like Deltron, or Gnarls Barkley, or The Roots? All modern rap, all the exact opposite of what you said, and all popular.


You know the whole Screwed and Chopped movement? Chamillionaire, The Game, 50, et al, most of them are considered "hustler rap" artists, because the main topic is selling drugs. Hustling. Yes, there is a genre, whether you know about it or not. PS--most kids in the ghetto, who listen to and make hustler rap popular, don't really spend much time on the internet. Wonder why.


And you never noticed artists like Jay-Z, Jadakiss, Ludacris, among thousands of others who did the same **** back in the day?


To a point, but there's plenty of talent in the artists who are out there day in day out. The Roots have won NUMEROUS awards--and deserve every one of them. The Pharcyde (who I got to see this summer), Tribe Called Quest, Immortal Technique, Method Man and Red Man all have done extremely well and are all extremely talented.


The irony is they're not even popular anymore. None of those guys have been in the forefront for a while now. Try Lil Wayne, Chris Brown, and other no-namers nowadays. You're living about 3 years in the past.


I'm not, I can tell by the tone of your posts TODAY.

Also, pot, kettle, black.

Work time.

More or less. The farther back you go the less vulgar they tend to be and might have a few more "conscious" songs here and there, but Kane had a whole persona based on being a pimp, come on lol

Of course, nowadays Kane's turned into one of those old rappers who whines about how kids are all rapping about sex these days


This seems a little suspect, cause non-rappers can't write actual rap lyrics. Unless you mean just coming up with rhyming phrases or something.

I know all about them. Just because I didn't list them doesn't mean I don't know them. If I had listed every artist out there I would still be typing that list right now.



Show me where it has been established, that it is in fact a genre and not what some street kids refer to it as. (i.e like THIS ). Until then, it is not a genre, it is not established, and it does not exist.




See first post. I didn't list every single rapper, if I had, I would still be listing them.



Can't see anything wrong with that one.



I know G-Unit isn't THAT popular anymore, thank God. I am confused by the statement though. Are you saying I should take those no-namers you listed as examples of good artists now? Or are you saying they are part of the not-so-popular anymore group?



You really can't. I'm sorry to tell you, but you really really can't. You couldn't be more wrong. And I'm being completely honest, I swear on my brothers grave.



That's the kind of argument I get in with my girlfriends parents all the time. They complain that music nowadays is all about sex and stuff, but I tell them that people they listened to like Beach Boys and Marvin Gaye, etc all wrote about the same stuff (Sexual Healing durr) but just put their lyrics in a much nicer/romantic form.

I am really not sure to illustrate to you what I mean.. But let me see if this works... I would compare them in the sense that "old-school" hip hop, while having the same meaning behind its lyrics (i.e sexual in nature) as modern rap, is more like a romantic film. The lyrics are not as vulgar or degrading (they don't call women *****es and hoes). Modern rap, i.e G-Unit crap, is more like a hardcore porno flick.



Anybody that can write poetry or has skills with words can write a rap, it's really not that difficult. It may take more time for Jimmy to come up with a good sounding verse than Jay Z but in the end they will still both be a rap verse. Although I did the latter of your statement, just coming up with phrases or something small to link the rest together.

I think this comes down to preference really. Sean Price is pretty much my favorite rapper and he is vulgar as all hell (and raps about nothing but *****es and violence and drugs). I don't think even you could say he sucks


I've never heard anyone sit down and write a decent rap verse without at least a few months of hard practice. I've been at it for a year and I'm still not that good. Most other rappers I know have been at it longer with even less progress. I'm just saying if rappers are having their non-rapper friends write lyrics for them, that doesn't say much for their skill level, haha

I agree. The guy sounds really good. Perhaps I should apologize and clear things up, that I did not mean every single one of these artists doesn't have talent. Eminem has talent, I have to give him that much and I absolutely DESPISE him. Jay Z too and many other artists. What I was referring to is when these people put out albums specifically designed about nothing but this violent sex and stuff like that (i.e G-Unit) to do nothing but make money. Unfortunately that applies to a lot of the mainstream rap out there now. While not all of it, it does count for a good chunk. A chunk that shouldn't exist in the first place.



There are people that have natural talents. Whatever the explanation may be, some people can just sit down and do something that takes others much longer to achieve. But I do agree with you on the fact that it doesn't say much for their skill level. Which is why I wasn't helping out artists like Jay Z lol

Or they just suck and don't know it

We can go back and forth like this all day, though. Unless someone posts mp3s of these legendary recording sessions:colbert:

It could be very well that they suck and don't know it. I wouldn't consider them to be that good of artists, which is why they're still up and coming. They've got years they need to invest before they hone their talent into something worth putting out there to sell.

Which legendary recording sessions? I didn't record my voice if you're referring to that. The only thing I've done so far that's been released is my short film for school which is on Youtube and a few pressed DVD's circulating around my campus. The lyrics I helped out with in the studio were just as I said, only a few lines here and there to help it get along. The work I've done with rappers and audio work is more in the field of audio editing and mixing of a score into a film rather than making the actual song. The productions I've done are all dinky things I did at home when I was bored and had an interest in making some small rap beats.

I don't think there's a back and forth we have going here. I agree with you that most people cannot write a rap by sitting down with a paper and pen. What I am saying is that there are occasions where someone has a natural talent for something and can do it without much effort or training. I am not saying I am one of those people by any means, nor am I saying I was trying to be. I'm just saying that you don't have to invest years and years into honing your craft of putting words together to throw a few random lines together that rhyme. I'm not saying the end product will make you millions, but it is still a rap nonetheless.

I find rap totally boring, unoriginal, and offensive.

Just weighing in.

Shut up vinny go home