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What is the most fundamental science?
2008-11-01, 11:49 AM #81
:huh:
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2008-11-01, 1:29 PM #82
Originally posted by dalf:
Computer Science is the science of solving problems with a computer. That does not mean programming, people! In fact, a high degree of Computer Science is mathematical. Finite State Automata, algorithm analysis, etc. I had a math professor who taught data structures without writing one single line of code. Proving why your algorithm is O(nlg n) isn't using a merge sort and comparing against bubble sort, it's a mathematical proof.


It's not a science.
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2008-11-01, 1:34 PM #83
what about erection science?
Last edited by mb; today at 10:55 AM.
2008-11-02, 10:01 AM #84
I have an erection meeting on monday.

Oh, and my two penneth:

maths and logic > physics > chemistry > biology

Or more succinctly xkcd > *
2008-11-02, 11:10 AM #85
I'm still waiting for JM to explain how computer science is based on physics. :XD:
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2008-11-02, 11:17 AM #86
Originally posted by Emon:
:huh:


Exactly.
2008-11-02, 12:41 PM #87
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I'm still waiting for JM to explain how computer science is based on physics.


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2008-11-02, 6:49 PM #88
Uh, right, that doesn't do much to support your position. How is computer science a combination of physics and information theory? Information theory, maybe, but physics?
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2008-11-03, 3:29 AM #89
As we've already established, Physics is the most fundamental science, so everything is necessarily Physics.
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. " - Bertrand Russell
The Triumph of Stupidity in Mortals and Others 1931-1935
2008-11-03, 4:13 AM #90
Yeah, great, except that since computer science isn't science at all. Computer science is just mathematics.

The field of computer science does not involve physics directly, i.e., you don't need to study physics to be a computer scientists. I thought JM was implying that you do.
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2008-11-03, 6:17 AM #91
Carl is physics is computer science. Duh.
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2008-11-03, 6:25 AM #92
Carl does like to get physical.
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2008-11-03, 7:08 AM #93
I'm going on what the bigwigs at Wikipedia think:
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Science (from the Latin scientia, meaning "knowledge" or "knowing") is the effort to discover, and increase human understanding of how the physical world works. Through controlled methods, scientists use observable physical evidence of natural phenomena to collect data, and analyze this information to explain what and how things work. Such methods include experimentation that tries to simulate natural phenomena under controlled conditions and thought experiments. Knowledge in science is gained through research.


Therefore maths isn't a science, therefore... physics is my champion.
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2008-11-03, 7:57 AM #94
based on this thread i am assuming most people who post here do not know much about philosophy, especially modern analytical.
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2008-11-03, 8:01 AM #95
Originally posted by Emon:
Huh? Modern psychology uses the scientific method... it's just very difficult considering variables are very hard to isolate. The field is populated with trash, unfortunately.


"I think the educational and psychological studies I mentioned are
examples of what I would like to call cargo cult science. In the
South Seas there is a cargo cult of people. During the war they saw
airplanes land with lots of good materials, and they want the same
thing to happen now. So they've arranged to imitate things like
runways, to put fires along the sides of the runways, to make a
wooden hut for a man to sit in, with two wooden pieces on his head
like headphones and bars of bamboo sticking out like antennas--he's
the controller--and they wait for the airplanes to land. They're
doing everything right. The form is perfect. It looks exactly the
way it looked before. But it doesn't work. No airplanes land. So
I call these things cargo cult science, because they follow all the
apparent precepts and forms of scientific investigation, but
they're missing something essential, because the planes don't land."
-Richard Feynman
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2008-11-03, 8:26 AM #96
Originally posted by stat:
based on this thread i am assuming most people who post here do not know much about philosophy, especially modern analytical.


what! philosophy based upon logic and mathematics? that's so post-18th-century.
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The Triumph of Stupidity in Mortals and Others 1931-1935
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