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The Beginning of the End for LucasArts?
2004-08-14, 6:15 PM #1
http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/08/12/news_6104736.html

27 employees were laid off in April, and now this (50 more)? Sheesh, I didn't even know they employed more than 77 people. LucasArts is tanking, and quickly. [http://forums.massassi.net/html/frown.gif] Pretty sad.. I'll choose to remember them in their prime: during and a few years prior to the JK release. Note that this isn't necessarily the end, but I can see no good coming of this.

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2004-08-14, 6:27 PM #2
I say we make it quick and painless.

It seems ubisoft has been getting all the good games latley. SplinterCell, Myst, FarCry, Prince of Persia. yay! Go Ubi, Die Lucas!

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2004-08-14, 6:38 PM #3
If the worst happens and LEC tanks, does that mean that all LEC games can be freely distributed? it's not like they could lose money on it if the whole company is gone....

I have yet to get JA and KOTOR. both games should be on the bargain rack soon.



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2004-08-14, 6:52 PM #4
Would this also mean we get JK's source code if LEC goes out?
I know how much ppl want it...

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2004-08-14, 7:20 PM #5
Edit: ^^^ No.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Pagewizard_YKS:
If the worst happens and LEC tanks, does that mean that all LEC games can be freely distributed? it's not like they could lose money on it if the whole company is gone....

I have yet to get JA and KOTOR. both games should be on the bargain rack soon.</font>


No. The copyrights are still owned by somebody.

Looking Glass Studios closed long ago, but you can't get the Thief games or System Shock games for free.

[This message has been edited by fourwood (edited August 14, 2004).]
2004-08-14, 7:22 PM #6
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by fourwood:
Edit: ^^^ No.
No. The copyrights are still owned by somebody.

Looking Glass Studios closed long ago, but you can't get the Thief games or System Shock games for free.

[This message has been edited by fourwood (edited August 14, 2004).]</font>



That's ridiculous. Most copyright law should be thrown out. Copyright used to mean that you can't claim someone else's work as your'e own, and fair enough. What the hell happened?

I'm strongly against DRM in any form.

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2004-08-14, 9:26 PM #7
I don't see why it's wrong. They made it, the source code is theirs to do with as they please. Don't like it? Go make your own stuff, simple.

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2004-08-14, 10:52 PM #8
Maybe LEC will suddenly become awesome and give the Source to Massassi!

......

What was that? No?

Oh, okay.

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2004-08-15, 5:02 AM #9
and about time too, LEC should have died years ago
2004-08-15, 5:40 AM #10
This is what they get for axing Sam and Max...

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2004-08-15, 5:49 AM #11
And Full Throttle.

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2004-08-15, 5:59 AM #12
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by SAJN_Master:


It seems ubisoft has been getting all the good games latley. SplinterCell, Myst, FarCry, Prince of Persia. yay! Go Ubi, Die Lucas!

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Don't forget rainbow six!



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2004-08-15, 6:04 AM #13
You guys are talking crazy here. Lucas arts has the most succesful gaming francise in all of history. All they need to do to make money is release another star wars game and sell 800,000 copies.

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2004-08-15, 6:22 AM #14
Yeah, Battlefront comes out in September, and it's going to be amazing.

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2004-08-15, 6:34 AM #15
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by BV:
Yeah, Battlefront comes out in September, and it's going to be amazing.</font>


Sorry, I don't share your sentiment.
2004-08-15, 7:19 AM #16
Does LucasArts actually make games anymore or just stamp their name on it after somebody else developed it? The LEC of the (roughly) mid- to late-nineties died along time ago.

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2004-08-15, 7:42 AM #17
Meh, Bioware and Blizzard make the best games these days [http://forums.massassi.net/html/smile.gif] I seriously won't miss LEC at this point.
2004-08-15, 7:45 AM #18
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Pagewizard_YKS:

That's ridiculous. Most copyright law should be thrown out. Copyright used to mean that you can't claim someone else's work as your'e own, and fair enough. What the hell happened?

I'm strongly against DRM in any form.

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Legally, copyright can exist and be enforced many years after the copyright holder's death. Quite literally "over my dead body," or indeed, not even then...


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2004-08-15, 7:47 AM #19
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by BV:
Yeah, Battlefront comes out in September, and it's going to be amazing.

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Seriously, I agree with fourwood here. It's going to be like a horrible version of BF1942. I think Battlefront is going to be the craptacular game that finally brings LEC to its knees.

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2004-08-15, 8:04 AM #20
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Connection Problem:
Meh, Bioware and Blizzard make the best games these days [http://forums.massassi.net/html/smile.gif] I seriously won't miss LEC at this point.</font>




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2004-08-15, 8:04 AM #21
Maybe in a desperate bid to get money, LA will allow Ubisoft to make a Star Wars title. I wouldn't mind it one bit.

But then, odds of this happening are about nill to none.
2004-08-15, 8:35 AM #22
Battlefront may suck, but Republic Commando will be awesome!
2004-08-15, 8:53 AM #23
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Freelancer:

Seriously, I agree with fourwood here. It's going to be like a horrible version of BF1942. I think Battlefront is going to be the craptacular game that finally brings LEC to its knees.</font>


And BF1942 apparently has better graphics.
2004-08-15, 9:11 AM #24
Lucas needs brought to his knees once and for all. So that he can stop killing all that we love. He has destroyed the legend that once was Anakin Skywalker. His bogus attempts at prequels have destroyed the Star Wars name. We must unite. We will raze Skywalker Ranch to the ground! Who's with me?

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2004-08-15, 9:30 AM #25
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Bill:
Lucas needs brought to his knees once and for all. So that he can stop killing all that we love. He has destroyed the legend that once was Anakin Skywalker. His bogus attempts at prequels have destroyed the Star Wars name. We must unite. We will raze Skywalker Ranch to the ground! Who's with me?

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And what gives you any right to GL's IP?

Edit: Also, all this laying off means that Lucasarts will stop making games themselves and just publish them...that's mostly what they do now, so it won't be much different. Once RC comes out they'll either fire the devs who made it, or change their mind and make an EP or sequel depending on how successful it is.

[This message has been edited by Gabro_bot (edited August 15, 2004).]
2004-08-15, 9:34 AM #26
you do realise, this would bring the creation of all star wars games to a screaching halt, since LEC is the company that autherises the creation of SW games...

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2004-08-15, 9:36 AM #27
How is that a bad thing?

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2004-08-15, 9:40 AM #28
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by SAJN_Master:
How is that a bad thing?

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Jedi Outcast, KOTOR, Jedi Academy, ect.
2004-08-15, 9:51 AM #29
perhaps this is insuing an age of great SW games. perhaps those geting laid off will be replaced by better people. or even, GL needs the money to work on EP3, so he takes the fun of making games?

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2004-08-15, 9:55 AM #30
What's the last good Star Wars game that LEC actually made themselves? TIE Fighter?

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2004-08-15, 10:12 AM #31
Jedi Knight.

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2004-08-15, 10:17 AM #32
KotOR, though...they didn't make it. They authorized its making.

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2004-08-15, 10:20 AM #33
So JK/MotS is it then. XvT, XWA were outsourced. JO and JA. I really don't see what LEC has to offer anymore. If they went back to their pattern of innovation that made them successful to begin with there might be a chance but I doubt that'll happen.

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2004-08-15, 10:43 AM #34
Since they front the money for said outsourced games, I think they can keep doing that. LEC might have just realized that there are better game developers out there and moving in that direction. I don't think it's a huge deal

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2004-08-15, 10:53 AM #35
LA may have some good sales with Republic Commando and Battlefront though. I just watched a couple segments about each on Electronic Playground and both games are looking very nice. Maybe if they can get passed the cliche of being a joke the games will do well.

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2004-08-15, 11:33 AM #36
I'm looking forword to both games!

Lucasarts won't die, they'll just have other people make the games, like they have been doing!

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2004-08-15, 1:31 PM #37
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Gee_4ce:
Legally, copyright can exist and be enforced many years after the copyright holder's death. Quite literally "over my dead body," or indeed, not even then...


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That makes no sense.

What good is money to a copyright holder if they're dead? What were they planning? reanimating the dead to give them their monthly royalty checks? [http://forums.massassi.net/html/tongue.gif]

Seriously, the checks probably go to the decendants, but what did they do to get the money? Why should they leech money off of someone else's work? Stuff should become public domain once the original owner dies. These laws are stifling to innovation and common sense.



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2004-08-15, 2:14 PM #38
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Arden Lyn:
Wait Wait Wait here people.

You can look at the Jedi Knight source code by opening up jk.exe with W32.Dasm I belive, right? That's how scorp and JP9000 made checksum killer.

Arden Lyn

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what is w32.dasm? I tried googling for it and it came up with a bunch of keygen/ cracks sites.

w32.dasm sounds too much like a virus.




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2004-08-15, 2:18 PM #39
Way too much. I'd edit your post, like NOW

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2004-08-15, 2:23 PM #40
I hate games.
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