Assault charges, mostly.

Who says we don't?

I know it's not helping my point, but this is now my favorite website:

http://www.survivalblog.com/

Half the reason I love it is that it is so insane and deadly serious, and the other half is because if it weren't for how far he takes it I'd agree with him. I mean...I keep a fully stocked first aid kit and all sorts of emergency equipment in my car and house. But I use it frequently (just jump started a car today, yesterday I towed someone off of an ice patch into a parking spot, this weekend someone cut herself with a knife so I had to use my first aid kit). I think this guy is ME if I honestly believed the world would end.

Yeah, but keeping emergency supplies is never a bad idea. Survival nuts are holding out for alien invasions, epidemics, nuclear wars and zombie outbreaks. You know: fun stuff. I don't think they're stupid enough to buy an anti-black hole ray gun. I like the survival nuts.

The people I hate are the ones who are fatalistic about it, like they're waiting and hoping for the day to come. I think Fox News' target audience leans a little more in the direction of the "JESUS WILL KILL US ALL" crowd.

If the rapture comes, I'll be all alone here! THAT would be fun.....in a bleak and lonely sort of way! Do dogs go to heaven in that case? I need a dog.

I've been playing Fallout 3; I certainly know all I need to know about surviving in a post-apocalyptic wasteland. :smug:

do YOU have a degree in pleasuring me with your silly comments?

All dogs go to heaven.

oh god yes, YES, tracer sure does

How am I supposed to have a post-rapture canine buddy?

Head to the scrapyard, south of Minefield; on the north edge you can kill some raiders that are attacking a dog and then the dog becomes your companion.

They're all wrong.

The LHC will fail on December 21, 2012

lets not get ahead of ourselves, it needs to work first....it was supposed to start running in late 2006....it's now 2009 and we'll be lucky if we get anything out of it before the end of this year...

It'll come online again in July. And I'll be at CERN in July, woop woop. But they won't be collecting any data until 2010, and it'll be sometime through 2012 until all this data is analysed and any new physics discovered.

Isn't a "relative eternity" a contradiction in terms?

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No more than UBERSLUG paka chew chew bada bing bang boom ba dam dam dam shiggity shag shag shunk.

That july estimate was very very optimistic and is totally dependent on whether or not they do some upgrades that will prevent such a thing happening again.

Mort, if you have access to indico, search for the talk by Jorg Wenninger dated 25th Nov 2008 given to the TRT guys, slide 43 says it all. He's high up on the LHC Operations/Machine group, the TRT guys pulled a few favours to get him to give the talk, it sent quite a few shockwaves around.

There are two options they are thinking about doing, it hasn't been decided which yet, there is more news coming in the next ATLAS trigger and physics week.

Anyway, point is this

Option 1 ) They are doing modifications in the sectors that were damaged to hopefully prevent the accident happening in those areas again, not all of these modifications are being done in the areas that didn't fail. These will be finished by late Summer 2009, but then there is a 2 month long beam commissioning to take place again. Working accelerator by September/October 2009.

Option 2 ) Upgrade the entire LHC, that would require the warming up on all the sectors and if done will mean there will be no beam in 2009. Working accelerator by ~Feb/March 2010.

Even if they take option 1, at some point they are going to have to make the modifications to the rest of the sectors, we'll most likely get beam for 1-2 months in 2009 and then another long winter shut down, 3-4 months at least.

Also, why the hell are you coming out in July...I leave in April!!!

**** those scientist, the LHC is perfectly safe, science is awesome

They didn't say it wasn't safe, Couchman

Fox News said that

You know, that black hole thing sounds very similar to an episode of Star Gate.