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To all former EVE Goon-ians who haven't yet heard...
2009-02-05, 12:10 AM #1
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We've won.* Somewhere around 8PM CST, the Band of Brothers Alliance was disbanded.

Superspy Mittani's Account of the Events on Goonswarm Teamspeak here:

http://go-dl.eve-files.com/media/0902/mittani.mp3


2009 - The Year of Change indeed...


* Well, we've still got to tear them out of Delve but with half of EVE descending on them in the hopes of stripping out some land for themselves and all the HILARIOUS side effects of disbanding BoB as well as the swell in Goon participation this has brought (Solo had to switch the GS forums to low bandwith and recorded upwards of 1200 users online) should make it a practical cakewalk.
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2009-02-05, 12:35 AM #2
Ahahahahahahahahahahaha

Good riddance.
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2009-02-05, 1:02 AM #3
How many trillions of isk did the spy take with him?
2009-02-05, 1:06 AM #4
Or how many Titans?
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2009-02-05, 3:19 AM #5
Haha okay I just listened to the mp3, it's pretty epic. I didn't realize that disbanding the alliance would kill all their sov and render the jumpbridges unuseable, that's awesome. Also the fact that they moved all the corp assets into NPC stations? Bwuahahahaha
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2009-02-05, 4:25 AM #6
Can someone summarise the background so us non-EVE players can get in on the joke?

Because, you know, you all love me and stuff? :)
2009-02-05, 5:18 AM #7
I'm assuming it's the standard Eve "rape, pillage and plunder" :P
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2009-02-05, 6:31 AM #8
Originally posted by Martyn:
Can someone summarise the background so us non-EVE players can get in on the joke?

Because, you know, you all love me and stuff? :)


Look at it like the USSR being disbanded with all their assets being stolen by the USA, along with all of the USSR's highways/bridges being destroyed.
2009-02-05, 6:50 AM #9
Who was behind the BoB Alliance?
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2009-02-05, 7:43 AM #10
Originally posted by Jon`C:
How many trillions of isk did the spy take with him?


Actally not that much. 15 dreads, 13b isk, a few hundred ships.

Also: http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/verite/influence.png

Quote:
Look at it like the USSR being disbanded with all their assets being stolen by the USA, along with all of the USSR's highways/bridges being destroyed.


Also defensive fortifications.

On the subject of Titans, AFAIK they were all logged out with [FORMER]BoB directors furiously telling capship pilots to not log in.
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2009-02-05, 8:45 AM #11
Well I don't like BoB at all, but that pales in comparison to my dislike of the Goons. So on balance I am disappointed by this news.

EDIT: This also seems "too easy" to do. Seems strange to me that one director, working alone and without any kind of approval "required" from other directors or CEOs, can spontaneously dissolve an entire alliance. Especially one of such scale, that is otherwise in good shape. But I haven't read very deeply into what happened, partly because the discussion boards are a ****storm (but I guess that's par for the course on Eve-o) so I found it a bit difficult to get the clear, confirmed facts.

Still, even if this were a clear flaw in the game mechanics (and I don't know whether it is, though it seems odd to me), I doubt CCP would intervene to restore things to how they were before it happened. They generally don't dare to interfere in highly-important ingame events even if there's something clearly wrong for fear of the massive backlash of bad hype it'd generate from whichever side "loses out" from their intervention.

EDIT2: Just to point out, I'm not saying that corp theft should not be allowed. I'm wondering whether "alliance destruction" should ever be possible in this kind of way. Kind of seems like a (rather large) step too far to me.
2009-02-05, 11:04 AM #12
Originally posted by GHarris:
Well I don't like poopsocking powergamers at all, but that pales in comparison to my dislike of the people who play the game just to have fun. So on balance I am disappointed by this news.
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2009-02-05, 1:07 PM #13
Yikes. Did I insult someone's mother or something?
2009-02-05, 1:08 PM #14
Haha, you don't want to go down that route ;)
2009-02-05, 1:20 PM #15
Wow, talk about a power vacuum (referring to influence png). Call in the ferals and hyenas. Anyone in GoonSwarm here who can lend a noob a hand (already in 77S, got all the basic skills (cruiser, mining lvl4, high speed maneuvering, etc)?
2009-02-05, 2:07 PM #16
Originally posted by GHarris:
Yikes. Did I insult someone's mother or something?
You should probably be aware that at least a dozen people on this forum post on Something Awful. It's generally a pretty good community and their sense of humor appeals to many of us.

You're a lurker so I'm not going to attack you, I'd just like to know if you actually have a reason for hating goons or if it's because you take a ****ty mmorpg way too seriously.
2009-02-05, 3:01 PM #17
Look at that huge power vacume. The possibilities. Where is my awesome icon with dollar sign eyes?
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2009-02-05, 3:05 PM #18
I actually have a jumpclone in PR-; I should resub and go see if I can get free crap.
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2009-02-05, 3:07 PM #19
goons are ******s

i said it

and i'm sticking by it
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2009-02-05, 3:49 PM #20
Originally posted by Gettleburger:
goons are ******s

i said it

and i'm sticking by it


The whole reason this BoB director defected is because goons treated his newbie alt with the same support and respect that they treat all of their newbies. I would propose that the very nature of this event is directly contradictory with your opinion and thus that your opinion is incorrect. In conclusion,
2009-02-05, 3:55 PM #21
I quit eve approximately December 24 because my corp decided to disband and join a friendly corp who had become a Bob Pet. I'm fairly happy I didn't go along with them.

[edit] forget earlier request, didn't see the mp3 link [/edit]

holy crap!
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2009-02-05, 4:00 PM #22
Originally posted by Jon`C:
I'd just like to know if you actually have a reason for hating goons or if it's because you take a ****ty mmorpg way too seriously.


Well, I'm sure you know what they say about internet spaceships.

I can't imagine a good outcome to a discussion of the reasons for my views on one alliance or another. I don't like participating in flamewars. And 12+ vs 1 is pretty bad odds from my point of view :)

I believe I stated my opinion respectfully. I deliberately chose not to state any reasons or call anyone a bad name, knowing the effect it would have. All I wanted to point out is that not everybody likes goonswarm more than BoB. That's as far as I wish to participate in this discussion. Have a nice day.

Note to self: Lurk more.
2009-02-05, 4:23 PM #23
GHARRIS ACHIEVEMENT UNLOCK: #38 - When in doubt, log out
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2009-02-05, 4:24 PM #24
are they still camping molle's titan/logout?
2009-02-05, 4:34 PM #25
Originally posted by GHarris:
I have an opinion that's in opposition to everyone else's. Instead of trying to defend it, I'm just going to stick my fingers in my ears and keep assuming I'm right and everyone else is wrong. Good day. (also I hate goons because they blew up my barge while i was mining veld in empire)


Does this about sum it up
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2009-02-05, 5:37 PM #26

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2009-02-05, 5:48 PM #27
Ahaha that video is classic

i love the chat bit... "x if you're in a BS" "i'm in a drake"

that was me so many times
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2009-02-05, 7:44 PM #28
I'm missing the significance of this event. But, then, I stopped playing Eve about a week into it, so...
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2009-02-05, 8:16 PM #29
GoonSwarm just won EVE.
2009-02-06, 1:38 AM #30
Wolfy and anyone else who doesn't understand, here's a long backstory explanation:
(skip to the line if you want the conclusion)

Basically, in the early days of eve, there were big power bloc alliances, or gargantuan groups of players. The main surviving one, and only huge surviving one is Band of Brother, or BOB. From what I understand they have a very large eastern europe/russian population. They are known for their ego, and expansive power-holding bigness etc. (it's 1:15 am my english sucks). They have done some bad things, and essentially have held a huge piece of eve space for a long time.

It is often joked/complained that eve devs play in Bob and game bugs, such as node crashes during critical moments, happen in Bob's favor. Bob is considered evil by the majority of EVE, but continue to last, always live etc. Side note: they recently formed a "MAX FLEET" fleet of expensive capital fleet ships (hundreds of ships costing $100 or more) that was intended on going into other power-bloc alliances space and kicking a$$, just becaust (because we're BOB and we are huge and we need something to do, we'll pick on other people). They were stopped on their first attack by a somewhat small and "known to suck and known to run away." alliance. Their reputation has been diminishing somewhat lately, but they are still feared by most.

Goonswarm was created a few years ago. It has grown to be the largest alliance in the game population-wise, partially driven by it's recruitment campaigns, but it essentially is the closest thing to a "we are the democracy of eve" in the game. Also mainly westerers and english-speaking. Goonswarm has had it's bad moments as well, but there's more good than bad. (I'm specifically referring to the Jihads, or Goonswarm attacking expensive mining ships in NPC space just to make the "get your arses into 0.0 and stop being carebears in safe space" point)

Essentially, Goonswarm and Bob have been at war for the last few years. 1.5 years ago, Goonswarm, with seemingly all non Bob players in EVE backing them up at the time, took at least 30-50% of bob space away from them. BoB had to pull back and reinforce it's major 3 regions (of which there are approximately 60 in the game, half conquerable, half NPC and not conquerable).
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To make a long story short, in the major Goon Vs Bob war that has been going on for years, Bob reputation has slowly diminished. Recently, a spy, and director, or member of leadership of Bob, disbanded the alliance, or made all the corporations (or clans) in the alliance no longer members of the Band of Brothers Alliance. A Corporation was created with the "Band of Brothers" name to make it more difficult for Bob to reform itself and defend it's space.

By forming an alliance, you get bonuses for holding territory, such as the ability to set up Cyno jammers / jump bridges (prevent jumping into the system for expensive capital ships / providing shortcuts for other ships). These bonuses will BoB 1 months to re-attain. Bob is essentially put in a situation where their long-held territory is that much easier to be taken.

Everyone and their dog is flying in to fight and to claim Bob's space.

Band of Brothers, the longest-living power-bloc alliance in the game, is effectively dead. It's going to take awhile, and Bob will definately put up a fight, but they will likely not win.

Of the major Goon vs Bob war of the last 2-3+ years, goonfleet seemingly won.

This will change the politics and gameplay of Eve Online in unseen ways. Bob set the bar for a number of techniques and strategies in the game. In many ways it has shaped the game.
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2009-02-06, 1:48 AM #31
Thanks for that Veger.

*gives +1 cookie*

/hump
2009-02-06, 1:48 AM #32
Originally posted by Cool Matty:
Look at it like the USSR being disbanded with all their assets being stolen by the USA, along with all of the USSR's highways/bridges being destroyed.


This was a good explanation Wolfy.
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2009-02-06, 5:04 AM #33
That sort of political crap is why I stopped playing. I was just a pirate anyway. :/
2009-02-06, 5:17 AM #34
BoB was mainly western European/British and 100% English-speaking. Goonswarm is mostly American. -A-, Red Alliance, SOLAR FLEET and Legion of xXDEATHXx are the major eastern european ones.
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2009-02-06, 5:40 AM #35
Originally posted by Simbachu:
Legion of xXDEATHXx


Anyone who uses any amount of x's in their character and/or guild names need to be shot, killed, maimed, raped and removed from the gaming scene. xX's are a beacon of crap players with low maturity on the same level of any variation of Sephiroth or other anime characters.
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2009-02-06, 7:30 AM #36
Originally posted by kyle90:
I actually have a jumpclone in PR-; I should resub and go see if I can get free crap.


You should re-reg your forum account because I'm pretty sure it's gone. (Also your sponsorship of me, not that I even have an active account)

Originally posted by Thrawnnumbarz:
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Shame suas got kicked out for stealing a titan like a day before all this went down.
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2009-02-06, 8:25 AM #37
I actually re-reged my forum account back in October; it's still in existence (I already posted in the "we won EVE" thread). I might be on vacation though.

I suppose I should head back into the ol' galaxy just so I can give away a few hundred million ISK to some noob.
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2009-02-06, 9:24 AM #38
Originally posted by Jep:
xX's are a beacon of crap players with low maturity on the same level of any variation of Sephiroth or other anime characters.


Now, now, let's not hurt Vinny's feelings.
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2009-02-06, 9:36 AM #39
Originally posted by ECHOMAN:
Now, now, let's not hurt Vinny's feelings.


.(

That wasn't the plan, I gave people at massassi credit, I didn't think anyone here would do that.
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2009-02-24, 4:13 PM #40
Necromiced because apparently this is newsworthy enough to be on BBC: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7905924.stm
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