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Do you drive stick?
2009-03-09, 11:56 AM #41
I don't actually know what cruise control is.
nope.
2009-03-09, 11:58 AM #42
It makes it so you don't have to use the pedal. You control speed with buttons on your wheel. It maintains constant speed.
2009-03-09, 12:09 PM #43
Originally posted by Rob:
Physically impossible unless you use inferior materials.

It might be possible with some types of CVTs, I'm not sure.

Edit: The shift shock from a conventional transmission always results in loss of energy. If that loss of energy is greater than the energy it takes to adjust the ratio in a CVT, the CVT could be more efficient than manual. At that point I doubt it would matter.

Originally posted by Rob:
Any machine with more moving parts is less reliable.

That's not always true. A modern car has way more moving parts than a Model T, and I'm pretty sure they're more reliable.

It's far more accurate to say that increasing the number of moving parts trends towards an increase in failure.
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2009-03-09, 12:19 PM #44
I've tried using cruise control this summer to control my lead foot (I'd be going down the highway on the way to work at a reasonable speed, then the next time I look at my speedometer O_o) But I got sort of impatient with is and I would always end up coming up behind cars, or someone would switch into my lane or something. I never really ended up using it for more than like 2 minutes.
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2009-03-09, 12:21 PM #45
[http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/garosaon/zmonks/zmonks_fgrstick.jpg]

*scratches his head*

Wow you people are weird
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2009-03-09, 1:11 PM #46
Shouldn't you be riding a toboggan?
nope.
2009-03-09, 1:11 PM #47
...why did you draw your penis hanging out?
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2009-03-09, 1:19 PM #48
Why do people mistake that jean...s.... thi..ng.... for my telephone

Très WYRD

And I don't think this thread is about driving tannenbaums anyhow
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2009-03-09, 1:20 PM #49
You ride christmas trees?
nope.
2009-03-09, 1:21 PM #50
Sometimes fours!
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2009-03-09, 1:36 PM #51
Originally posted by Squirrel King:
It makes it so you don't have to use the pedal. You control speed with buttons on your wheel. It maintains constant speed.


Please stop giving people from Maine a bad name. Everything you say is absolute ****e.

Cruise control speed is set with a button on the wheel, yes, but it's not like you accelerate using the buttons. You set the speed with the pedal. Then you let off the pedal and magically you maintain the same speed.
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2009-03-09, 1:49 PM #52
you can do both depending on the cruise's abilities

>.>
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2009-03-09, 3:19 PM #53
Originally posted by Roger Spruce:
Cruise control speed is set with a button on the wheel, yes, but it's not like you accelerate using the buttons.

The majority of the cars I've driven with cruise control would let you not only maintain speed, but increase and decrease speed with the controls. So, yeah, how about that little tantrum huh?
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2009-03-09, 3:24 PM #54
Originally posted by Rob:
Physically impossible unless you use inferior materials.

They may shift faster, have more gears, and more aggressive ratios but they all still have more moving parts.

Any machine with more moving parts is less reliable.


Who buys supercars for reliability?

Originally posted by Roger Spruce:
Please stop giving people from Maine a bad name. Everything you say is absolute ****e.

Cruise control speed is set with a button on the wheel, yes, but it's not like you accelerate using the buttons. You set the speed with the pedal. Then you let off the pedal and magically you maintain the same speed.


FAIL

I can both increase and decrease speed via the cruise control system...even with my '91 Toyota..
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2009-03-09, 3:32 PM #55
My car is an automatic that is on it's last leg. When it finally dies I'm contemplating replacing it with a manual.

small car + V8 + manual = WEEE.
2009-03-09, 3:37 PM #56
Automatic is awesome in stop and go traffic

But I have a manual because my car is cheap
2009-03-09, 3:43 PM #57
V8? Holy ****. That's overkill and a half. Have fun with that fuel expenditure. :v:
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2009-03-09, 4:00 PM #58
Originally posted by Zell:
V8? Holy ****. That's overkill and a half. Have fun with that fuel expenditure. :v:


My truck has a V8.

<3
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2009-03-09, 4:44 PM #59
Originally posted by Mort-Hog:
Has anyone ever driven with cruise control? I imagine that must be an eerie experience.


Its like going downhill on a bike without pedaling, except its on a flat road and at a constant speed. :psylon:

I hope that was clear.

2009-03-09, 6:01 PM #60
So you feel sort of out of control?

:psyduck:
nope.
2009-03-09, 6:07 PM #61
Yeah

It's spooky
2009-03-09, 6:18 PM #62
5 speed > *

I cant stand driving automatics -- I mean, it gets you there, but whats the point?

Originally posted by sugarless:
No. I drive an automatic and I have no idea how to drive stick. I have no ambition to actually own a stick shift, but I'd like to learn.

I'd teach you. :)
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2009-03-09, 6:19 PM #63
I got my 5 speed not really knowing how to drive it. I don't think I can go back now.

Also regarding cruise control, I've used the setting control to accelerate (I have a long highway drive to work). When I go to pass someone I turn off cruise to engine brake down to the guy I'm passing's speed, wait for the turning lane to clear and use the cruise control to get back up to speed in the passing lane. Lazy I know (only on the long highway drives).
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2009-03-09, 7:21 PM #64
wow, I guess every car I've ever been in has been the poor man's model. you win this round.

:argh:
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2009-03-09, 7:48 PM #65
Originally posted by 'Thrawn[numbarz:
;988574']Automatic is awesome in stop and go traffic

It's just as infurating either way. I don't have a ridiculously stiff clutch that my leg burns everytime I go through the I-15 Suck. Now on my dad's 1994 Dodge Dakota, that thing had a monsterously strong clutch. My left calf was always larger than right.
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2009-03-09, 9:06 PM #66
^It sounds like you have a serious case of "woman"
2009-03-09, 9:26 PM #67
Originally posted by Rob:
Physically impossible unless you use inferior materials.

They may shift faster, have more gears, and more aggressive ratios but they all still have more moving parts.

Any machine with more moving parts is less reliable.


I think he was talking about gas mileage and performance. At least whoever mentioned "efficiency" was. I don't know of any examples off the top of my head, but it's certainly possible for an automatic to get better gas mileage as long as the car is set with the proper shift points for it. I can't see an automatic ever being as reliable as a manual though, just not gonna happen.
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2009-03-09, 9:32 PM #68
An automatic transmission will not get better gas mileage than a manual transmission, it has more moving parts. The engine has to work harder to do the same amount of work, normnally twice as often depending on how many gears there are and the clutch set up.
2009-03-09, 9:37 PM #69
I suppose I should qualify that. It can get better gas mileage more consistently than a manual because the automatic shifts at a set RPM every time (given the same throttle position, but let's keep this simple) and the average person is less likely to do that with a manual. That being said, I've never gotten better gas mileage with an automatic than I have with a manual, but I've also gotten WAY worse gas mileage with a manual too. All depends on how I drive.
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2009-03-09, 9:38 PM #70
Originally posted by Rob:
An automatic transmission will not get better gas mileage than a manual transmission, it has more moving parts. The engine has to work harder to do the same amount of work, normnally twice as often depending on how many gears there are and the clutch set up.


Toyota Corolla-
EPA city/highway mileage: 26/35 (manual), 27/35 (automatic)

Nissan Sentra-
EPA city/highway mileage: 24/31 (manual), 25/33 http://cars.about.com/od/helpforcarbuyers/tp/top10_fuel.htm

That definitely used to be the case in years past - but now some automatics have faster quarter mile / 0-60 times, some have better fuel economy than standards, etc. Not a huge margin, but still.
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2009-03-09, 9:40 PM #71
Originally posted by Rob:
An automatic transmission will not get better gas mileage than a manual transmission, it has more moving parts. The engine has to work harder to do the same amount of work, normnally twice as often depending on how many gears there are and the clutch set up.


The moving parts in the transmission don't affect the engine's work load. What does is the gear ratios inside the transmission, and those are usually slightly different in the same car between a manual and automatic. The change in gear ratios is usually the biggest difference in gas mileage between the two.
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2009-03-09, 9:45 PM #72
Now that autos have five, six or more speeds, the disadvantages of the old 3sp auto vs the 5sp manual are definitely shrinking.
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2009-03-09, 10:02 PM #73
Originally posted by Zell:
V8? Holy ****. That's overkill and a half. Have fun with that fuel expenditure. :v:


I've indeed been having fun with it, for the last 3 years. Gotten a best of 27MPG too. To stay on topic, its the automatic trans that's annoying, because it never seems to do the right thing, hence contemplating replacing it with a manual if the opportunity presents itself. Hardly overkill.

Quote:
Now that autos have five, six or more speeds, the disadvantages of the old 3sp auto vs the 5sp manual are definitely shrinking.


This is true. Most of the mileage advantage from manuals was because they usually had at least one, maybe two extra gears over their automatic counterparts. This made for a narrower RPM spread between gears and better ability to keep the engine from drifting too far away from it's optimal torque range, AKA, the sweet spot for economy. Keeping the revs too high can kill your mileage, and keeping them too low can have an equally costly effect.

Mercedes even has a 7-speed automatic now, that I believe, is made by Chrysler.
2009-03-09, 10:14 PM #74
manual. i used to have an automatic, but i dont like driving automatic as much anymore. the 91 freeway does suck a little more in a manual though :argh:
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2009-03-10, 7:00 AM #75
Loved it when I had it. [Edit: Cruese-Control]
It's very relaxing and is good for your mileage, because the car is much better at keeping the speed than your shaky foot.
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2009-03-10, 11:37 AM #76
Originally posted by JLee:
Toyota Corolla-
EPA city/highway mileage: 26/35 (manual), 27/35 (automatic)

Nissan Sentra-
EPA city/highway mileage: 24/31 (manual), 25/33 http://cars.about.com/od/helpforcarbuyers/tp/top10_fuel.htm

That definitely used to be the case in years past - but now some automatics have faster quarter mile / 0-60 times, some have better fuel economy than standards, etc. Not a huge margin, but still.


Those are two different engines.
2009-03-10, 11:39 AM #77
Originally posted by Crimson:
The moving parts in the transmission don't affect the engine's work load. What does is the gear ratios inside the transmission, and those are usually slightly different in the same car between a manual and automatic. The change in gear ratios is usually the biggest difference in gas mileage between the two.


What?

Where are you from. The moving parts in a transmission have a GREAT effect on work.

For example, a 4 wheel drive vehicle will get worse mileage than a 2 wheel drive vehicle on average. If there are more moving parts attached to the crank of an engine it takes more splosion to make that crank spin.
2009-03-10, 12:14 PM #78
Cruise control is especially fun in the winter on an icy road. In our old truck the cruise wouldn't turn off when the rear tyres lost traction, but on the new truck it turns off. This usually happens when you start climbing an icy hill, and the car shifts down.

Yeah, the truck doesn't have the normal automatic box, this one has two clutches and an actual gearbox, not just some silly variator and a momentum changer. Also, the automatic function of the gear box learns to shift based on how you shift using the manual function.
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