Helle's right. My dad and I got Doom 3 because we're both fans of the original. It's really the first more "next gen" game we've got, and both of us thinks it looks sexy. That's sexy at 640x480, bump-mapped, specular on if the machine can handle it, low detail, no AA or AF, etc., etc..

And it's playable too. It's fun. It's relatively long for an FPS. And it's scary.

I'm looking forward to both HL2 and STALKER, but Far Cry didn't appeal to me as much as other games.

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looks are everything, you know that, be a man

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What kind of argument is "you are not supposed to do this and that (stare at walls or whatever) because that is not how the game is meant to be played"?

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A good one.

And Tony basically summed up everything I think. I just hope HL2 doesn't suck, and have faith STALKER won't.

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A little lesson for SAJN.

THIS is Doom3:



THIS is crap:

[Edit: Not really "Safe for Work"... - GoY]

[This message has been edited by GhostOfYoda (edited August 25, 2004).]

Uh oh. That crap looks pretty shiny to me. Bumpmapping strikes again.

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It's the lighting.

OMG that poo is 100% bumpmapped

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7 of 14

That's gotta be plastic.

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Fudge. :<

Apparently, two pages worth of people care.

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"This hole is octogo. Ogiganeel. It's Octa.. It's got eight sides."
"Sam and Max Hit the Road-sign. The one saying 'Stop'."

I like bumpmapping...

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"You must be mistaken, Tess. A pie can't move."

since someone asked for comparison shots

first shot in each comparison is with specular on







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[This message has been edited by DrkJedi82 (edited August 25, 2004).]

those don't look too plastic-y to me.
I think it looks great.




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Can you please stop whining SAJN? Just give it a rest. Maybe it isn't perfect to you, but we like it.

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Your humble opinion is wrong.

CONGRATS PEOPLE, WE'VE SOLVED THE MYSTERY!

SAJN is just being a whiny runt because his computer can't run Doom 3!

I remember looking for hours at a simple stone-door in the old Unreal. The Texture just got better the closer you looked at it.

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I think the shotgun looks more plastic WITHOUT specular mapping. Dull grey plastic. Not cute shiney metal like it should be.

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Actually, the reason Doom 3 looks bad is a combination of the fact that the designs are really stupid, and something called the uncanny valley.

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Never thought I'd defend SAJN_Master, but no...your wrong. His fps is low because of the video recording software he used.

Nice shooting there Jon'C...


Agreed. Except for STALKER, not looking forward too it, but not going to knock it either.

[This message has been edited by JASRCC_Uber0010 (edited August 25, 2004).]

i'm looking forward to stalker at least to see it running on my computer

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What kind of rig you running now Jim7? I was suprised to see Doom 3 running so smooth after hearing you moan and groan about your old computer.

AthlonXP 3000+
1GB RAM
9800Pro 128MB

big jump from
600MHz Celeron
256MB RAM
GF4MX440-SE 64MB PCI

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What is the console command to spawn an enemy?

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spawn monster_demon_(whatever) (i.e. spawn monster_demon_imp, spawn monster_demon_hellknight)

That's pretty decent Jim. What kind of framerates you getting? I'm guessing in the 50-60s. I only got a 9600XT Athlon 2100 XP and remarkably I'm able to run the game at high detail, averaging 30 - 40, but down to 20 lowest when **** really hits the fan.

[This message has been edited by JASRCC_Uber0010 (edited August 25, 2004).]

i'm averageing 38.3fps in the timedemo 1024x768 High Quality 0xAA 8xAF

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What's the command for the time demo? I'm guessing I'll be in the lower 30s. Also, I'm running 2xAA, so that might have to do with the occasional drops.

What is the timedemo? I have been typing benchmark in the console and it gives me around 50-60fps, but I know that cant be right because fraps says I average 40+ fps. What is the difference?

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The real world is plastic.

No really... look around. How many things do you see made of plastic?!

back a few decades ago, everything was made of metal. So it would be likely to conclude that everything will be made of plastic in the future, even your skin.

Yeah but the point kind of is, if you used the various types of mapping more sparingly, things would appear as they should. Characters look much better without spec mapping, and weapons (some) look better with it. The problem is, metal objects should appear more GLOSSY than they do in Doom 3. That is where the real issues arise.

I made a few renders in lightwave to illustrate my point.



This is shiny. Like metal. It has no texuture, but that puts it in line with most things in Doom 3.



This one is more plastic looking due to the fact that it is less glossy. It is still as shiny, but much less glossy.

Had they properly implemented the effects they had at their fingers, they would have made a truly wonderful looking game. But the fact that it looks trashy up close, and everything shines the same, really takes alot away from it.

And give it up, would you, not all walls look pixelated and crappy up close. Go play Serious Sam, and then play a fun game called grow a brain.

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timedemo demo1

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The Massassi JO/JA Single Player contest info (I don't know why I have this still in my sig)

is that the doom3 chaingun model, or is it one you made?

Either way, it looks excellent. and no, it doesn't look plastic to me. The first one looks like its made of steel, the second one looks like its chrome-plated. Both look good.

however, if the edges seemed smoothed out and
the angles seemed slightly rounded, then yeah, it would look like plastic.

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[This message has been edited by Pagewizard_YKS (edited August 25, 2004).]

I've done a little playing around in D3D and well if you want to go back to Non BM'ing then say goodbye to anything that has curves, flat water, low poly models, maybe if you can show an example of a FPS without BMing that has equal detail and performance...

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