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Did you guys ever stop to notice...
2004-08-24, 9:33 PM #1
How much you all argue on this board? haha

Now before everyone goes jumping down my throat, I'm not saying it's a bad thing.

And it's not so much fighting as "debating"

Just by reading posts I find it intriguing is all. But also entertaining. The attacks and counter attacks.

Not all of the time, but most of the time, the rebuttles have pretty good arguments.

Eh, well i'm sure you all were aware of this. Anyways I'm bored, and reading posts, I dont think I have yet to enter one without some sort of quarrel within it. lol anyways just amused me is all lol

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2004-08-24, 9:38 PM #2
The thing about massassi is...people don't understant the definition of 'opinion', so a nice debate is usually turned into an argument.
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/waits for someone to toss is back in my face.

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[This message has been edited by SAJN_Master (edited August 25, 2004).]
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2004-08-24, 9:40 PM #3
Tis the nature of Massassi. In fact, I think that's standard of every online forum to have squabbles. Only we take things to heart...and sometimes act childish. We had a Religious Forum at one point and ooooh boy. That forum was constantly on fire from all the flame wars.

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2004-08-24, 9:41 PM #4
Pft, like any of us care about your opinion.

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2004-08-24, 9:45 PM #5
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by SAJN_Master:
The thing about massassi is...people don't understant the definition of 'opinion', so a nice debate is usually turned into an argument.
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/waits for someone to toss is back in my face.

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yes, and I've come to see that most people have strong opinons on this board.(which again nothing is wrong with that.

Only thing that confuses me is the knowledge that everyone should be aware of the fact that not everyone is going to think or feel the same way on subjects.

So why the aggression when people do not see eye to eye, or when someone voices themselves is beyond me.

Everyone has the right to their own opinons, I guess that's just what all of you guys are doing (voicing yourselves that is). I just find this board entertaining to read is all.

I've noticed sometimes certain groups of guys will be attacking one person, then the next minute someone or various people from that same group will be on the attack with each other.

This board is interesting to read

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Lets finish it then, let us be rid of it...I can't carry it for you Mr. Frodo, but I can carry you...Come on!

"Life Is What Happens While You're Busy Making Other Plans..."

"This new diet's liquid and dulling to the senses and it's crude, but it will do..." Dashboard Confessional
"Too bad stupidity doesn't actually kill"

"No fear. No distractions. The ability to let that which does not matter truly slide."^"I say never be complete...I say let's evolve." ** Fight Club**
2004-08-24, 9:47 PM #6
Constant arguing around here has just become a part of the furniture. It wouldn't be Massassi if it wasn't for the flaming. [http://forums.massassi.net/html/biggrin.gif]

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2004-08-24, 9:47 PM #7
Quote:
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Gandalf1120:
Tis the nature of Massassi. In fact, I think that's standard of every online forum to have squabbles. Only we take things to heart...and sometimes act childish. We had a Religious Forum at one point and ooooh boy. That forum was constantly on fire from all the flame wars.

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Hm, I would have loved to read that. Not for the childish remarks mind you, but for all the debates that probably went on. I can imagine some pretty heated discussions probably took place huh [http://forums.massassi.net/html/smile.gif]


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Lets finish it then, let us be rid of it...I can't carry it for you Mr. Frodo, but I can carry you...Come on!

"Life Is What Happens While You're Busy Making Other Plans..."

"This new diet's liquid and dulling to the senses and it's crude, but it will do..." Dashboard Confessional
"Too bad stupidity doesn't actually kill"

"No fear. No distractions. The ability to let that which does not matter truly slide."^"I say never be complete...I say let's evolve." ** Fight Club**
2004-08-24, 9:48 PM #8
Quote:
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Gandalf1120:
We had a Religious Forum at one point and ooooh boy. That forum was constantly on fire from all the flame wars.</font>

There were some very good debates too. I want that forum back [http://forums.massassi.net/html/frown.gif]



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2004-08-24, 9:49 PM #9
Quote:
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by KegZ:
Constant arguing around here has just become a part of the furniture. It wouldn't be Massassi if it wasn't for the flaming. [http://forums.massassi.net/html/biggrin.gif]

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I guess I'm just now becoming a little more acquainted with the Massassi ways lol [http://forums.massassi.net/html/wink.gif] [http://forums.massassi.net/html/tongue.gif] [http://forums.massassi.net/html/biggrin.gif]

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Lets finish it then, let us be rid of it...I can't carry it for you Mr. Frodo, but I can carry you...Come on!

"Life Is What Happens While You're Busy Making Other Plans..."

"This new diet's liquid and dulling to the senses and it's crude, but it will do..." Dashboard Confessional
"Too bad stupidity doesn't actually kill"

"No fear. No distractions. The ability to let that which does not matter truly slide."^"I say never be complete...I say let's evolve." ** Fight Club**
2004-08-24, 9:50 PM #10
Quote:
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by finity5:
Quote:
Originally posted by Gandalf1120:
We had a Religious Forum at one point and ooooh boy. That forum was constantly on fire from all the flame wars.</font>

There were some very good debates too. I want that forum back [http://forums.massassi.net/html/frown.gif][/B]


I can imagine there were. Sucks that I joined the boards so late and was unable to see some of the discussions


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Lets finish it then, let us be rid of it...I can't carry it for you Mr. Frodo, but I can carry you...Come on!

"Life Is What Happens While You're Busy Making Other Plans..."

"This new diet's liquid and dulling to the senses and it's crude, but it will do..." Dashboard Confessional

[This message has been edited by twisteduprising (edited August 25, 2004).]
"Too bad stupidity doesn't actually kill"

"No fear. No distractions. The ability to let that which does not matter truly slide."^"I say never be complete...I say let's evolve." ** Fight Club**
2004-08-24, 10:06 PM #11
...whatever 'good debates' there were on the RD forum were buried under the vast majority of pointless bickering.

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2004-08-24, 10:11 PM #12
There were some, most of the time threads ended up being endless replies with quotes, which got annoying as hell. I poped in once and a while, but never was a huge contributor to the forum. I mainly just read what everyone else had to say.

Jaiph... pointless bickering? As if that is any different than this forum [http://forums.massassi.net/html/tongue.gif]

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[This message has been edited by finity5 (edited August 25, 2004).]
2004-08-24, 10:11 PM #13
hm yeah. Well i've seen some childish bickering on the board, but i've also seen some decent debates.

Guess that intrigues me is all. I've always enjoyed debating a point on a topic I'm passionate about.

And everyone is clearly passionate about most of the topics here.

But yes, sometimes there is just childish banter

Anyways over all it's all fun to read. The Massassi forum is definitely anything but boring lol [http://forums.massassi.net/html/smile.gif]

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Lets finish it then, let us be rid of it...I can't carry it for you Mr. Frodo, but I can carry you...Come on!

"Life Is What Happens While You're Busy Making Other Plans..."

"This new diet's liquid and dulling to the senses and it's crude, but it will do..." Dashboard Confessional
"Too bad stupidity doesn't actually kill"

"No fear. No distractions. The ability to let that which does not matter truly slide."^"I say never be complete...I say let's evolve." ** Fight Club**
2004-08-24, 10:13 PM #14
Quote:
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by finity5:
I popped in once and a while, but never was a huge contributor to the forum. I mainly just read what everyone else had to say.</font>


That's how I am with this board. For a long time I'd just read. Finally decided to post, and even still I dont tend to reply to all the posts I read. Sometimes it's better just to read.

Live and let Live right [http://forums.massassi.net/html/smile.gif]



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Lets finish it then, let us be rid of it...I can't carry it for you Mr. Frodo, but I can carry you...Come on!

"Life Is What Happens While You're Busy Making Other Plans..."

"This new diet's liquid and dulling to the senses and it's crude, but it will do..." Dashboard Confessional
"Too bad stupidity doesn't actually kill"

"No fear. No distractions. The ability to let that which does not matter truly slide."^"I say never be complete...I say let's evolve." ** Fight Club**
2004-08-24, 10:19 PM #15
There are a few genuinely good and entertaining debaters here. Just a shame they're swamped by bickering fan-boys...

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2004-08-24, 10:21 PM #16
Quote:
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by finity5:

Jaiph... pointless bickering? As if that is any different than this forum [http://forums.massassi.net/html/tongue.gif]
</font>


*stares at the 20th mindnumbing slugfest on minute differences in computer game graphics in last two weeks*

Ok, point conceded.

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2004-08-24, 10:26 PM #17
haha! well what is the age range of visitors to the board?

I can already see it's mainly male dominated, but what are the different ages on the board?

I personally am 3 months away from turning 21. But I read a post in another thread stating about inappropriate material for the younger members. Which made me curious as to exactly how young they mean by "younger members" If there are really young people visiting that would definitely make me more aware of the things I write.

Anyways though, if the majority of the members are young, that could explain the "fan-boy bickering" lol. either they are young, or if they are older then it's just immaturity.



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Lets finish it then, let us be rid of it...I can't carry it for you Mr. Frodo, but I can carry you...Come on!

"Life Is What Happens While You're Busy Making Other Plans..."

"This new diet's liquid and dulling to the senses and it's crude, but it will do..." Dashboard Confessional
"Too bad stupidity doesn't actually kill"

"No fear. No distractions. The ability to let that which does not matter truly slide."^"I say never be complete...I say let's evolve." ** Fight Club**
2004-08-24, 10:29 PM #18
Around 12 to mid thirties, I believe. I'd guess most of the active posters are between fourteen and 25, though. There are exceptions, of course, thus the MOST part.

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2004-08-24, 10:40 PM #19
Thanks for the 411 Hellequin. That's a pretty big age range.

Well guess it wont matter too much what I post. As of tommorrow I wont have a comp to type with.

I'll probably stop by the board every now and again to read posts and to post.

Anyways I also feel as if I'm being intrusive by being on the board. Chris (Spiral) sent the link a while ago, back in May and I never dared to post on it. I know it wasn't even his intention for me to actually check out the whole board.

Anyways regardless kind of feel like this is his turf (if that makes any sense). As his friend i'm going to respect that and back off. Plus I dont know if he even realizes I've been posting on here and well he would probably find it weird. So well I'll stop by every now and again to post. You all seem like pretty cool guys and I enjoy chatting with you.

Anyways between not wanting to step on any toes, and not having access to a comp for a while, there's not much else I can do lol

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Lets finish it then, let us be rid of it...I can't carry it for you Mr. Frodo, but I can carry you...Come on!

"Life Is What Happens While You're Busy Making Other Plans..."

"This new diet's liquid and dulling to the senses and it's crude, but it will do..." Dashboard Confessional
"Too bad stupidity doesn't actually kill"

"No fear. No distractions. The ability to let that which does not matter truly slide."^"I say never be complete...I say let's evolve." ** Fight Club**
2004-08-24, 11:05 PM #20
ah, so it's all spiral's fault! [http://forums.massassi.net/html/tongue.gif]

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2004-08-24, 11:13 PM #21
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Flexor:
ah, so it's all spiral's fault! [http://forums.massassi.net/html/tongue.gif]

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haha [http://forums.massassi.net/html/tongue.gif] I'm not saying it's his fault. Just this is pretty much his board from what I can tell. I guess lots of people know him on it, so it's kind of intrusive of me to be posting on here, ya know?


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Lets finish it then, let us be rid of it...I can't carry it for you Mr. Frodo, but I can carry you...Come on!

"Life Is What Happens While You're Busy Making Other Plans..."

"This new diet's liquid and dulling to the senses and it's crude, but it will do..." Dashboard Confessional

Live and Let Live
"Too bad stupidity doesn't actually kill"

"No fear. No distractions. The ability to let that which does not matter truly slide."^"I say never be complete...I say let's evolve." ** Fight Club**
2004-08-24, 11:21 PM #22
Well we all had to be new at some point.

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WAITER: Here’s your green salad, sir.
ANAKIN: What? You fool, I told you NO CROUTONS! Aaaaaaargh!
The music industry is a cruel and shallow money trench where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side.
2004-08-24, 11:22 PM #23
Spiral is known for his awesome editing skills in these parts. See him mostly on the Showcase forum. Hell, until recently, I'd remember him poting that regularly in the Discussion forum.

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I'm not an actor. I just play one on TV.
Pissed Off?
2004-08-24, 11:36 PM #24
Yeah he's a talented guy. Editing wise, music wise, his band is pretty good. No denying the guy has talent

Not the sweetest person always, but then again who is. Overall he's a fun guy, but eh haven't talked too much with him as of recent, hence why I say it's kind of weird for me to post on this board.

He'll probably kill me for posting these lol but here are some old pix of when I used to go to parties at his place:

(he's behind me making the goofy face)

[http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v17/BoricuaDelight/edit_group_shot_sean_chris_laura_john.bmp]

(again he's the one making the goofy face at the camera...who here can tell that he's a jokster? lol)

[http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v17/BoricuaDelight/rick_dan_chris_playing_drinking_game.jpg]


and just to be fair an equally goofy picture of me and my friend eric, chris, beka johny and some other people are in the background

[http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v17/BoricuaDelight/eric_laura_drunk.jpg]

anyways those were old times. fun times, but old times lol


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Lets finish it then, let us be rid of it...I can't carry it for you Mr. Frodo, but I can carry you...Come on!

"Life Is What Happens While You're Busy Making Other Plans..."

"This new diet's liquid and dulling to the senses and it's crude, but it will do..." Dashboard Confessional

Live and Let Live

[This message has been edited by twisteduprising (edited August 25, 2004).]
"Too bad stupidity doesn't actually kill"

"No fear. No distractions. The ability to let that which does not matter truly slide."^"I say never be complete...I say let's evolve." ** Fight Club**
2004-08-24, 11:40 PM #25
Tell the guy on the right to stop drinking bud light and get some real beer. [http://forums.massassi.net/html/tongue.gif]

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WAITER: Here’s your green salad, sir.
ANAKIN: What? You fool, I told you NO CROUTONS! Aaaaaaargh!
The music industry is a cruel and shallow money trench where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side.
2004-08-24, 11:50 PM #26
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Flexor:
Tell the guy on the right to stop drinking bud light and get some real beer. [http://forums.massassi.net/html/tongue.gif]

</font>


haha tell that to chris. i think that was his beer that he bought...

[http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v17/BoricuaDelight/chrischairdecresize.jpg]

forgive the crappy quality of the pic, but u can see the beer in his hand.

ok regardless haha yeah I dont think I'll be posting too much on here anymore though

PS thnx for letting me know about fixing the picture Goy

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Lets finish it then, let us be rid of it...I can't carry it for you Mr. Frodo, but I can carry you...Come on!

"Life Is What Happens While You're Busy Making Other Plans..."

"This new diet's liquid and dulling to the senses and it's crude, but it will do..." Dashboard Confessional

Live and Let Live

[This message has been edited by GhostOfYoda (edited August 25, 2004).]

[This message has been edited by twisteduprising (edited August 27, 2004).]
"Too bad stupidity doesn't actually kill"

"No fear. No distractions. The ability to let that which does not matter truly slide."^"I say never be complete...I say let's evolve." ** Fight Club**
2004-08-24, 11:59 PM #27
why not? nobody seems to be aversely affected by you.

oh, and tell mr bud light guy i'll be round his house to steal that chair too.... damn chair thei.....


oh wait, i just remembered he didn't steal my chair because i'm sat in it, never mind.

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Drugs & Stupidity, Tons of it.
2004-08-25, 12:03 AM #28
anyways now that he's probably going to officially hurt me and now that well it felt weird posting all those pix, I guess Imma get going to bed. can't stay up any longer.

I wont have a comp after tommorrow, I'll try and stop by the board every now and again and say hello [http://forums.massassi.net/html/smile.gif]

Oh, but i'll do my best to upload the pictures when I get my hair done [http://forums.massassi.net/html/biggrin.gif] I'll try and post them whenever I get the chance.

That's my hair now:

[http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v17/BoricuaDelight/laurasiggy.jpg]

[http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v17/BoricuaDelight/Laura_pix_July_14_2004_018.jpg]

but it'll be different soon! yay i'm excited haha alright though, i've gone pic happy and it's time for bed. take care flexor [http://forums.massassi.net/html/wink.gif] good night fellas [http://forums.massassi.net/html/smile.gif]

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Lets finish it then, let us be rid of it...I can't carry it for you Mr. Frodo, but I can carry you...Come on!

"Life Is What Happens While You're Busy Making Other Plans..."

"This new diet's liquid and dulling to the senses and it's crude, but it will do..." Dashboard Confessional

Live and Let Live
"Too bad stupidity doesn't actually kill"

"No fear. No distractions. The ability to let that which does not matter truly slide."^"I say never be complete...I say let's evolve." ** Fight Club**
2004-08-25, 12:04 AM #29
Quote:
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Septic Yogurt:
why not? nobody seems to be aversely affected by you.

oh, and tell mr bud light guy i'll be round his house to steal that chair too.... damn chair thei.....


oh wait, i just remembered he didn't steal my chair because i'm sat in it, never mind.

</font>


lol [http://forums.massassi.net/html/tongue.gif] mr. budlight guy in the chair is chris (aka Spiral) [http://forums.massassi.net/html/tongue.gif] lol he's the one with the "disturbed" shirt on.

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Lets finish it then, let us be rid of it...I can't carry it for you Mr. Frodo, but I can carry you...Come on!

"Life Is What Happens While You're Busy Making Other Plans..."

"This new diet's liquid and dulling to the senses and it's crude, but it will do..." Dashboard Confessional

Live and Let Live

[This message has been edited by twisteduprising (edited August 25, 2004).]
"Too bad stupidity doesn't actually kill"

"No fear. No distractions. The ability to let that which does not matter truly slide."^"I say never be complete...I say let's evolve." ** Fight Club**
2004-08-25, 12:24 AM #30
Spiral? who's that? [http://digilander.iol.it/ilxnucleo/Emoticon/Ammiccante.gif]


Arguing is a way of life ... its like subway's chicken teriyaki, so full of lean and tender, teriyaki glazed chicken strips topped with Subway’s own fat-free Sweet Onion Sauce. [http://digilander.iol.it/ilxnucleo/Emoticon/Vomito.gif]
2004-08-25, 1:42 AM #31
STAB! YOU MADE ME SIDESCROLL! [http://forums.massassi.net/html/mad.gif]

If you don't argue, you suck. It's a way of showing you're not a mindless automaton.

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Hey, Blue? I'm loving the things you do. From the very first time, the fight you fight for will always be mine.
2004-08-25, 4:27 AM #32
Do we DON'T!!!1one I can belive you would say that!11!one
2004-08-25, 4:33 AM #33
It's mainly a problem with people not knowing the difference between "fact" and "loudly stated opinion."

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I live in the weak, and the wounded.
I live in the weak, and the wounded.
2004-08-25, 4:58 AM #34
One thing that's really evident in arguments lately is that alot of people really need to turn their sarcasm sensors back on. Some people get bent out of shape on petty things that aren't even true...

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2004-08-25, 6:27 AM #35
You assume some people actually have them. Also part of the problem is that people take it personally when someone else doesn't agree with them and they get emotional because of it. When that happens logical thinking erodes into insults

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I'm not an actor. I just play one on TV.
Pissed Off?
2004-08-25, 6:29 AM #36
twisted, do you still have a crush on Spiral or something? Or are you that pissed at him? You've brought him up in every thread you've made and essentially derailed your own threads. Secondly, this isn't his turf. It's Brian's turf. Nobody's actions should dictate your actions anyway.

Now, about the arguing. I've slowly become more seperated from Massassi. I just don't let myself get sucked into all the pointless *****ing anymore, thus why I have stopped looking at political threads. Nothing ever new comes to the surface, so why bother? However, I still come to the Discussion Forum because it is a bit more asthetically appealing than the Discussion Forum of another forum site I go to.

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Debating politics on the internet is about as useful and productive as shoving a broomstick up your *** .
Democracy: rule by the stupid
2004-08-25, 7:29 AM #37
People on this forum seem to be under the mistaken impression that an opinion is still valid even if it's both uneducated and easily disproven.

For example, SAJN's assertation that "BUMPMAPPING IS WHY DOOM 3 LOOKS LIKE PLASTIC" even though it isn't, I know exactly why Doom 3 looks shiny, and he's pumping a metric assload of unrefined bull**** into the forums every time he opens his gaping piehole. Jesus Christ it's annoying as all hell and reminds me of every single time Friend14 tried talking about graphics, resulting in several people from the GD.net forums to visit and back me up.

Opinions are not always right. If you don't believe me, try giving the same line to your university professor and he'll ***** slap you with a GPA of 1. Maybe when you get out of grade school you'll realize just how retarded and irrelevant your feeble opinions really are. Nobody cares about your bat**** theories and justifying your lies and bull**** by calling it an opinion doesn't make you any less wrong.

[This message has been edited by Jon`C (edited August 25, 2004).]
2004-08-25, 8:14 AM #38
Sorry, Jon. Your opinion about opinions is wrong.
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I beat the internet. The last guy was hard.
2004-08-25, 8:30 AM #39
Not as wrong as your opinion on Jon`C opinion about opinions.

Now I feel like eating onions.. don't know why.

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2004-08-25, 9:53 AM #40
*attacks Seb with onions*

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Debating politics on the internet is about as useful and productive as shoving a broomstick up your *** .
Democracy: rule by the stupid
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