What is there to be disgusted at? Everyone in this thread, besides maybe Pagewizard, either related personal experiences or quoted other people's first-hand experiences verbatim.

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Have a good one,
Freelancer

I really don't get very many Jehova Witnesses knocking on my door. However, I do live on a rather large hill with no neighbors next door. I'm thinking that could be it.

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[This message has been edited by SG1_129 (edited August 29, 2004).]

I have a no solicitors sign. That usually keeps them away.



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I have found that you can transform your character solely by the power of belief: as you believe yourself to be, so you shall become over time.

www.watchtower.org <---- Official JW site

I'm a Jehovah's Witness, but im not offended by what yall are saying, you are entitled to your own opinion. We preach door to door b/c we are told to in the bible (not going to say where b/c i dont wanna turn this into a religuose debate) That guy that said How dare you.... That couldn't have been a JW b/c we don't follow the sabath, it was for ancient Israel. We ARE allowed to go to College, my mom teaches at one, and all the people at my congregation are either in it, done it, or are planning on it. That guy who said that he was FORCED to 100 hours a month is lying, the US national average is about 7.4 hours a month. The people who do it every day almost only get 70 a month, and thats by volunteer. The blood transfusion thing, we beleive that blood is a sacred thing, and there are other, better, ways than transfusions anyways. I have a friend who had to have one, but the Elders found a doctor that could do the op w/o blood and the cong. helped the family pay for it. Thats all i have to say about it right now.



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I wasn't aware of any alternatives to blood transfusions.

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Have a good one,
Freelancer

It depends what the problem is, Freelancer.

There was an interesting case about just that in the news a few days ago.

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So, according to you, annoying people at home to get them to convert to their silly cult and accosting them about what they do on Sunday isn't forcing their opinions on others? What the hell do you like to call it then?

It's stated not to drink blood (specifically animal blood), or to eat/drink blood with meat. That's hardly the same thing as a blood transfusion.
Think about it: Jesus said "they know death, but I know life." If you'd let someone die instead of taking a blood transfusion (which I've heard many cases about JWs letting this happen), that's not representative of life, is it?

Every religion has it's nutjobs(this goes for the atheists as well). Some of use just live closer to them than others.

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By the way... the best way to convert someone is to not try. I'm serious. Just like everything else... if people see that you have something good, they'll want it too. And if they see that it sucks, they won't want it.

It's unfortunate that for the most part, Christians do a horrible job of representing their faith, so... bleh.
Any Christians in this thread, listen up.
1.) Stop trying to convert others so directly. It rarely works.
2.) Let's try to be better representatives of our faith (me included).
3.) Learn to give information about your faith, rather than trying to cram it down people's throats.

(Note: I'm not pointing at any particular denom. All seem to do it. It's disrespectful just to start in. At least ask first. Again... not to any particular group. Just something that needs to be noted.)

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Valuable Life Lesson: Frog + Potato Gun = Blindness
Worship Examples - Christians' love for God should be seen and heard, not merely talked about. It is through actions that one is determined to be Christian, not through words. Words (and thoughts, as well) deceive even one's own self, but the heart speaks truth.

^ bingo

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WAITER: Here’s your green salad, sir.
ANAKIN: What? You fool, I told you NO CROUTONS! Aaaaaaargh!

Most churches I've been to have promoted exactly that: converting people without trying. If they see you living the kind of life that you say you believe in then they'll start to ask questions.

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I remember one time this drop dead gorgeous girl, natural, not some fake covered in make up made up to look like a prostitute slut or anything came to my door. Usually I send them away, but this time I found myself listening. If it wasn't for the 13 year old girl who wouldn't go away, I'd of been macking it trying to get the girls number.

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Tough luck.



Well, in my post, I also tried to crack a bit of crappy (and unserious) humor -- it's just me being me

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I'm also one of Jehovah's Witnesses, and a lot of what's been said in here is just wrong. Here's just a few...

One, if someone told you we don't believe in working on the sabbath, they were wrong. That was something that was in the Mosaic Law, which ended with Jesus' sacrifice.

Two, about the blood transfusions, well here's a quote for you from one of our publications:



Three, we preach because that's what we were commanded to do. Matthew 24:14 says:



And what did Jesus do while he was on earth? He preached, and so did his disciples. But we don't force anyone to, and we come to your door because we want to help you, we don't get paid in any way for it.

We really are normal people, and it's not right to bash a religion just because you don't understand or believe the same things.

If anyone has any serious questions I'd be happy to answer them.

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damn double post.

[This message has been edited by Delphian (edited August 29, 2004).]

My five-year-old cousine answered the door when some Jehovas-witnesses came a'knockin, and they convinced him to join. They said he'd get a free ride on the watchtower. Poor Joey, he must have thought the 'watchtower' was a roller-coaster or somethin.

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"Success is going from failure to failure without loss of enthusiasm."

- Winston Churchill

What do I do what they knock at my door?

I DON'T open it.

The best way to avoid having to come up with something to make them go away is to fake not being home. That applies to EVERY person that comes to my door that I don't want to talk to.

Finally, DogSRoOL has the solution to any form of religous conversion.

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You told them all I was crazy,
They cut off my legs now I'm an amputee, God damn you.
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Um... I'm not one for debates. I've only been home twice when the JWs come around and both times I've told them I wasnt interested and they left.

I'm not into any institutionalized religion whatsoever, it's a personal journey and you just come to the realization of faith in something throughout the course of life. My faith may be described in the Bible, but it is not in the Bible, the Church, or a magazine with some pretty bad predictions about the end of the world.

I'm not into attacking these guys on sight or harassing them, but I'm not disgusted by you guys that do. It's a choice.

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Stop! Stop, will you!? Stop that! Stop it! Now, look! No one is to stone anyone until I blow this whistle! Do you understand?! Even, and I want to make this absolutely clear, even if they do say 'Jehovah'!

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Wise men say that fools rush in where angels fear to tread, so look before you leap, so to speak, because the grass is not always greener on the other side of the hill.

Much <3 for the Life of Brian quote.

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I agree with you on almost every point. About that blood transfusion thing...
http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2004/08/27/blood_transfusion040827.html

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You're making an mountain out of a molehill. If a couple of people come to your door and solicit something like this, is it too much to say, "No, thank you"? Would it kill you to act with some civility towards people of other religions?

Now, if the same person or persons have come to your door repeatedly, I can understand your frustration. But otherwise, you're making it sound like there's a nightly JW gathering ala Frankenstein with torches and pitchforks outside your house every night.

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<ubuu> does hitler have a last name?
<jipe> .. yes, Ubuu, we're racist commy nazi jews, and we hate male pattern baldness
<Professor`K> Sorry, but half-way through your logic, my head exploded

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You can't argue with people's personal experieinces. Some people may be exageratng a little bit, but in my experieince, they are annoying as hell. JWs have come to my door and tried to get me to take some of their information, which I have politely declined. They persist, trying to convince me to take their info. When I again refuse, they can get a little ornry.

I'm not saying they don't have the right to go door to door, but in my experience they cross the line trying to convince me that I should be listening and caring about what they are saying. They have been down right rude and condecending to me, treating me like they are above me because I don't want to bother with their religion.

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I'm not an actor. I just play one on TV.

Wolfy, the level of annoyance for such actions is subjective. Personally, very little is more annoying than solicitation; especially religious solicitation. It's disrespectful, in my opinion, to go tracting door to door in an effort to convert every man, woman, and child known to God.

Who is anyone to demand my attention in my own home, let alone demand my attention while said solicitors proceed to knock my beliefs and tout theirs as the only true set of beliefs? Who is anyone to proclaim to have a divine mission to save the souls of men, and by what authority? Especially against one's will?

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Have a good one,
Freelancer

I think i'll go watch that in a little bit



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What happens when you cast heal on the undead?

Attempt to eat anything they attempt to hand you.


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*boom*

Again, a mountain out of a molehill. I can understand if they persist after you decline, but you're making it sound like they stand outside your house with a bullhorn. It's one solicitation. Ten, fifteen seconds out of your life that you will not miss.

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<ubuu> does hitler have a last name?
<jipe> .. yes, Ubuu, we're racist commy nazi jews, and we hate male pattern baldness
<Professor`K> Sorry, but half-way through your logic, my head exploded

I hang a Satan beanie I won on a fancy-fair out of the window, and turned up my stereo as loud as possible with Dimmu Borgir - Satan My Master on.

Worked like a charm.. But I don't get it that they keep coming after we kept repeatedly telling them not to. Admittedly, after what I pulled, we're on some list now and they don't come anymore.. But why the hell do they keep bothering people for so long? They've been coming here for over 3 years, at least twice a month.

[This message has been edited by gothicX (edited August 30, 2004).]

Your opinion. Subjective. People have different pet peeves. One man's trash is another man's treasure, and so on.

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Have a good one,
Freelancer

Ah, Knocker ID... like Caller ID, except if they see you inside then you're screwed

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OY! What an example of complete ignorance of biology. If I'm dying and require a blood transfusion to live, drinking the blood will not do anything. And based on that, I can pretty easily see the difference between consuming blood and a blood transfusion.
The alcohol analogy fails. Drinking it is quite a bit different from injecting it, and I'm sure it yields different effects (if any), considering it doesn't go through the digestive process the latter way.
Third, a person is not "fed" intravenously. The IV fluid is, in such a similar case, a type of sugar the body can use without digesting it.

This is precisely why beliefs like this come about. People don't know anything about what they speak against.

Quoted for poignancy.

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If at first you don't succeed, lower your standards.

I'm civil to them. I'm not going to shove their beliefs in their faces. It's their beliefs, I may not agree with them, but its their opinions. I just say "No, Thank you"

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"Bantha's are filthy animals.......I don't eat filthy animals."

"Laugh it up Fuzzball!"
-Han Solo

That is true about religion generally.
Where is the line between 'religion' and 'superstition'?