I remember Jon`C elaborating on it in the past. Maybe it was not related to Wookie06 at the time.

He did but it didn't make any sense then either. He basically just said I was a Republican and not a conservative. I said I was both as I don't consider them to be mutually exclusive or being one to exclude being the other which needs saying as the Republican party has been trending left at least when it concerns the big party erroniously thinking a shift to the left is good for getting votes.

"Reviving" a thread where the previous post was a few days ago is reviving a thread?

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Maybe it's the same as how Arnold is a Republican but not really a conservative in most ways....

But no reasonable person here could come to that conclusion as I've never openly supported a liberal position or program.

I would say that I would be more open minded to liberal programs at the local and maybe state level if we were to return to a federal system as constituted in our founding documents but since we have continued to nationalize things and took a huge turn towards facism in the last year I won't entertain that notion right now.

No reasonable person here could come to the conclusion that you are knowledgeable enough about political ideologies to consciously or accurately ascribe to one.

Calling Obama a fascist, for example. What aspects of the Obama administration are the most fascist? What makes Obama's fiscal policy fascist, but FDR's progressive? How would Obama's fascist aspects compare to Bush's fascist aspects?

Oh, right. To you fascism and communism are generic pejoratives to be employed when you dislike a policy for reasons you either do not have or cannot articulate. For a second there I thought this was going to be an interesting discussion.

Remember when we talked about you saying absurd things? Yeah, this was what we were talking about.

Wow, If that's what you call a huge turn to fascism, what the hell do you call Hitler?

We've been over this: he wouldn't know what to call him.

I find it very amusing that Obama is accused of being both a fascist and a socialist. You guys should just go back to calling him a Muslim.

Pssst Wookie, fascism is extreme right-wing, Obama is middle-left. You are middle-right, now try and work out who is closer to fascism.

You know, the right wing certainly does put Obama up on a pedestal. According to them he is Fascist, Socialist, Communist, Muslim, and Kenyan all at the same time. Never before in the history of mankind has one man pulled off all of those things at once.

I'm pretty sure David Bowie was at the end of the 70s.

Yeah, but: Obama: more fascist than a hippie.

Obama: He's not with us, he's against us.

hahahaha

Well yeah but that's because your liberals are still right of centre.

Your liberals are more fascist than Vladimir Lenin. Fascists.

You are all wrong. Obama is black!

That's ok, our Liberals are the 3rd most popular party and nobody pays attention to them.

Other than pejoratives words also have colloquial meanings as well as simple differences in a regional meaning versus global or universal definitions. It also seems common that because I express an opinion critical of Obama (or any statist, fascist, liberal, communist, democrat, etc.) that when any current or preceding political opponent had a similar opinion or action as Obama that I supported it then. Conveniently here nobody seems to pay attention to any conservative criticism I have made of Republicans.

I said a large turn to fascism since there have been enormous take overs and intrusion by the government into the private sector. Actually, if you look up the word at dictionary.com I find the first definition to be very appropriate of the current administration. Now, because I see this further turn toward fascism doesn't exclude other agendas from being accurately described as socialist, "progressive", etc. When you look at all the radical people the president counts as friends and advisers we have many of these terrible ideologies influencing him and his agenda. That doesn't mean those ideologies have not been present for a long time. Practically since my country's founding radicals have been trying to restructure it and incrementally succeeding.

If he were alive today I would probably call him Obama's Health Reform Czar or, rather, the man that he would appoint until some questionable views from his past come to light. Then he would probably be quietly shifted to some high level position in some Obama front organization.

Seriously, though, I almost feel that pinning a label on the man does a disservice to even the worst ideologies. Unfortunately, he was the man that a socialist party and bitter country allowed to rise to power. We should learn from that.

Oh man, you seriously compare Obama to Hitler.
Im laughing my way out of this thread.

Edit: Not even worth it. I'm gonna let Wookie06 enlighten you on your reading comprehension, it'll be more fun that way

Ah, yes.

"a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism."

How elucidating.

Well, at least you're making an effort to appear consistent. That's the first rule of effective debate strategy.

Not really, he may have failed to read, but saying Obama might have had Hitler in his inner circle isn't far off a comparison to Hitler (afterall there were people far worse than Hitler in his inner circle).

This last page has basically switched my viewpoint from "maybe we're not giving wookie the chance to explain his views, maybe he's struggling to express himself in a way that allows us to understand his reasoning" to "this guy is totally nuts".

I'm liberal, but not to the extent that I encourage communism or massive government oversight, and even I think that Obama is compromising too much to the right. I think Obama is a positive sign of a more tolerant America with liberal views, but he's far from the liberal messiah (or antichrist) some are making him out to be.

The left can be fascist too.

The labels 'left' and 'right' are inappropriate : they are orthogonal in the political spectrum. I am 'extreme right-wing', but I am also the opposite of a fascist.

Fascist= Rightist Dictatorship
Communist= Leftist Dictatorship.

Ugh, no. Communism is an economic model.

No.

'Fascism' is derived from fascis, Latin for 'bundle'. Fascism is the striving towards bundling power. Power bundled in one strong leader. Hence the symbols of bundled arrows of lightning in eagle claws, etc.

It can be left wing or right wing.

Fascism =/= National Socialism (Nazism)

( (Furthermore, Hitler's version of 'Socialism', National Socialism as he called it, is a contradictio in terminis. Socialism is first and foremost an international movement. So, Hitler's socialism has nothing to do with (left wing) socialism as we all know it.) )

Yeah, Hitler's use of "socialism" was to make the working class think "ah yes, one of us... oh one of us that thinks Jews are bad too". It had nothing to do with actual socialism.

To be honest, Obama hasn't appointed any Nazis or fascists that I know of. Instead it seems to be mostly Marxists and Maoists.

...oh for ****'s sake. Who exactly are the 'Marxists' and 'Maoists' Obama has appointed? Let's get into names here, and exactly why they're communists.

Man, that Cold War propaganda sure was effective on you guys.

Isn't that nice, all these lovely little labels that are applied to pretty much everybody.
Nazi's breathed air, Obama does too, OMG OBAMA IS A NAZI.

Obama shares more than 99% of the same genetic code as Hitler!

Ron Bloom, Anita Dunn, and Van Jones are the ones I can think of right now.

Ron Bloom said the free market is nonsense, and agrees with Mao that political power comes largely from the barrel of a gun.

One of Anita Dunn's favorite political philosophers is Mao Zedong.

Van Jones was associated with a Marxist group, and said "give them the wealth" when referring to Native Americans.

Just to stir things back up again...


For one, there is a difference between the arguments of free market/controlled market and communism/capitalism. Communism can be either free market or controlled (even though a controlled market, I suppose, would go against communist philosophy). Meanwhile, capitalism can be either, as well. Therefore, such statements tell nothing of association with either philosophy.


That philsophy can be applied to both extreme capitalist and extreme communist systems.



And...? Also: http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/10/16/beck.dunn/index.html


The problem is that it was actually a past relation. Also, one of the issues that forced him to resign was just that very thing.


[quote=Van Jones]What about our Native American sisters and brothers?... They told us a long time ago that this was sacred land.... [They] were pushed and bullied and mistreated and shoved into all the land we didn't want, where it was all hot and windy. Well, guess what, renewable energy? Guess what, solar industry? Guess what, wind industry? They now own and control 80 percent of the renewable energy resources. No more broken treaties! No more broken treaties! Give them the wealth! Give them then wealth! Give them the dignity! Give them the respect that they deserve! No justice on stolen land! We owe them a debt![/quote]


There's a difference between what communism and socialism really is and what the average American is told that it is.

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2009/11/excellent_news_for_hoffman.php?ref=fpblg

I love it when people use an Anti-Fox News site to justify their anti-Fox News opinions. Even more when just an outside quote and link is used without even an actual comment from the poster.

Anyway, I saw that news coverage live and my initial reaction was that she was dropping out to help the other democrat. I can understand from her vaguely worded statement how people might infer that she was supporting the conservative since she referred to the best thing for "her party" and releasing her supporters. Their coverage didn't appear inaccurate until about 2 minutes into that clip because they had apparently inferred by that time that she was actually going to endorse the person who would be best for "her party". Even then, she didn't actually endorse the other democrat until two days later.

Personally, I feel they were being kind to her by giving her the benefit of the doubt. I know her true party is the democrat party and there is no room for liberals like her in my party. That is why she was forced out of the race and why she is supporting the other democrat.

Isn't it ironic how Wookie06 keeps using meaningful words as generic pejoratives (this time "democrat") and the only thing he accomplishes is to totally dilute or obliterate whatever point he thought he was making?